How Voters Think

[Partial]

I could defend myself except I don't see a reason to.

Detroit has a lot of crime. That isn't judging. That is a fact!

I have no problems with lower class families. I have problems with thugs and gangsters who ruin cities and go around shooting people. Rarely is it ever the middle class or the upper class that is doing this.

Read the article Michelle just posted about Milwaukee. Disgusting.

Last year a Jimmy John's driver was shot and killed over what little money he had on him. Disgusting.

I have 4 friends who live on 15th and Kilborne. Each one has had a gun held to their head on their front porch on different occasions. They live about as close to Marquette's campus as you can live. Disgusting.

I believe it was two weekends ago where a miller delivery driver was shot up by two Mexicans over in the barrio for no reason at all other than to rob him. Disgusting.



You tell me..

[MJZiggy]

As I recall, the leaders of the New York mafia were reportedly living pretty well...

Crime is disgusting, true, but don't you think there's the possibility that in Detroit where there are no jobs to be had that desperate men resort to desperate measures they might not otherwise consider?

[Partial]

As I recall, the leaders of the New York mafia were reportedly living pretty well...

Crime is disgusting, true, but don't you think there's the possibility that in Detroit where there are no jobs to be had that desperate men resort to desperate measures they might not otherwise consider?

Yes, I do. Do I think that is any different than what those people did to say a Jimmy Johns driver? No, not really. Just because you're going through hard times does not make it okay to end someone else's life.

Crime has been bad in Detroit for years. I don't blame the auto industries recent problems for that at all. It is just the type of people that frequent the area with less police policing the area.

[MJZiggy]

Were they trying to end his life or rob him for some cash?

[BallHawk]

I agree with Partial here. Detroit has been "worst in the country" bad for the last 30+ years. Detroit isn't bad as a city, it's the pockets of the city that make the crime bad. That is due to a number of reasons and one cannot be held solely responsible for the city's crime.

Detroit us nowhere comparable with Milwaukee, however. Detroit is rated as the most dangerous city in the country. Milwaukee isn't even top 25. Hell, places like Orlando and Little Rock are more dangerous than Milwaukee.

MKE still has a lot of disgusting shit that goes on, though. I mean, when a pizza delivery guy gets killed for a few bills you have serious issues.

[Partial]

Were they trying to end his life or rob him for some cash?

Does it really matter? Say the Driver even had 5k on him. Is that really going to change their life that much to risk potentially killing someone??

You are not looking to only injure someone when you shoot them multiple times.

I honestly am stunned that I am hearing this garbage. Were they trying to rob him. Pffft. They killed and man and should be taken out back and sent to hell where Murderer's belong.

[MJZiggy]

Were they trying to end his life or rob him for some cash?

Does it really matter? Say the Driver even had 5k on him. Is that really going to change their life that much to risk potentially killing someone??

You are not looking to only injure someone when you shoot them multiple times.

I honestly am stunned that I am hearing this garbage. Were they trying to rob him. Pffft. They killed and man and should be taken out back and sent to hell where Murderer's belong.

I asked a question. I don't recall making a judgment. I'm not local. I haven't seen the story. Quit trying to project shit on me because you don't like what the dude did.

[BallHawk]

Were they trying to end his life or rob him for some cash?

None of these guys go out looking to end somebody's life. They go out looking for money and valuables. However, as we all know, it escalates into something worse.

Zig, I believe you live in a county (PG) which is arguably the most divided in the nation. Rich whites on one side and poorer blacks on the other side. It's the animosity between the two races which can cause problems. However, most of these cities murders occur between gangs, not thugs and innocent civilians.

[MJZiggy]

No, I don't live in PG, I live in Mont. and who said I'm drawing on recent or racial experience in this discussion? I'm not 22 and only lived in one place. The only time I brought race into it (and come to think of it, I don't think I mentioned his race) was when I mentioned that it was the day laborer who came to give me a hand when I needed it while the affluent folks walked right by.

If you read the thread, you'll find that Partial believes that thugs are targeting innocent citizens. I realize where the crime lies, but the gang crimes are not the ones that make the headlines. The Sean Taylors make the news.

[Partial]

Were they trying to end his life or rob him for some cash?

None of these guys go out looking to end somebody's life. They go out looking for money and valuables. However, as we all know, it escalates into something worse.

Zig, I believe you live in a county (PG) which is arguably the most divided in the nation. Rich whites on one side and poorer blacks on the other side. It's the animosity between the two races which can cause problems. However, most of these cities murders occur between gangs, not thugs and innocent civilians.

What ever happened to robbing someone without shooting them, then? These people are careless with other people's lives because they don't care about anyone but themselves.

Poorer blacks? While I would agree that a lot of these people are black it has nothing to do with the color of skin. There are plenty of white assholes too.

[Partial]

No, I don't live in PG, I live in Mont. and who said I'm drawing on recent or racial experience in this discussion? I'm not 22 and only lived in one place. The only time I brought race into it (and come to think of it, I don't think I mentioned his race) was when I mentioned that it was the day laborer who came to give me a hand when I needed it while the affluent folks walked right by.

If you read the thread, you'll find that Partial believes that thugs are targeting innocent citizens. I realize where the crime lies, but the gang crimes are not the ones that make the headlines. The Sean Taylors make the news.

That's exactly right. A bunch of lowlifes came and blasted him away for no reason other than to get a few new toys for themselves. You don't think if they said whoa whoa man we won't shoot just give us your xbox, he wouldn't have said alright and let them go? I sure do. Losing a couple thousand dollars is nothing compared to your life. But again, these thugs have no regard for anyone or anything but themselves. Now a daughter has to grow up without her father for no reason other than some assholes didn't have any common sense and would rather go through live robbing people than earning a living.

For what its worth, I think Tyrone is the only one who brought up race. And it is false at that. I see just as many asian thugs out on the street as blacks or hispanics. I will admit there are not as many white but there are certainly there fair share as well.

[BallHawk]

What ever happened to robbing someone without shooting them, then? These people are careless with other people's lives because they don't care about anyone but themselves.

Poorer blacks? While I would agree that a lot of these people are black it has nothing to do with the color of skin. There are plenty of white assholes too.

I don't think any of these assholes are so bad at heart that they go out looking to kill anybody. They go out to get money. People end up dying when they try and fight back and/or they don't cooperate with the gunman. Your friends are alive because they cooperated with the guy that held all the power. The Jimmy John's guy tried to fight back. That is more than likely the reason he died. I'm not blaming him for fighting back, but when you're in a situation like that you've got to cooperate with the gunman. It's not worth losing your life over trying to save yourself form getting robbed, no matter what you are being robbed of.

[BallHawk]

That's exactly right. A bunch of lowlifes came and blasted him away for no reason other than to get a few new toys for themselves. You don't think if they said whoa whoa man we won't shoot just give us your xbox, he wouldn't have said alright and let them go? I sure do. Losing a couple thousand dollars is nothing compared to your life. But again, these thugs have no regard for anyone or anything but themselves. Now a daughter has to grow up without her father for no reason other than some assholes didn't have any common sense and would rather go through live robbing people than earning a living.

Sean Taylor died because the kids panicked when they realized he was home. They didn't expect him to be home. Why would a bunch of kids be out to kill a football player? They're amateur robbers and they ran into an unforeseen situation and they panicked, leading to Taylor getting shot. It's not their selfishness or lack of compassion that leads to the murders, it's their stupidity.

[MJZiggy]

Refresh my memory BH, did they even really need the money?

[BallHawk]

Refresh my memory BH, did they even really need the money?

Did they need it to survive? No. How often do you see a robbery and the convict's excuse was "I needed the money to buy food and clothes"? Hardly ever.

But it doesn't matter what the thug's motive is. It is how he acts, not why he acts, that makes the difference between life and death.