Wisconsin Primary

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I have to say that fiscal responsibility isn't something the Republicans should be toting right now. Labeling Democrats and as the ony party that expands government and government spending is ignoring the last 8 years of federal spending.

Agreed. The republicans of today are not as conservative as I'd like.

The post below the quoted one is dead on. They'll move to Texas. Business' are exempt from sales tax for business related expenses.

Cost of living is exponentially cheaper. My house is worth only slight less than a good friend of mine's from Austin that is a mansion with several pools, 2 waterfalls, and a brand new gorgeous all brick palace.

[Joemailman]

Delivered lots of Hillary mail on my route today.
Should I vote for her because she's helping my job security?
Also got phone messages from McCain and from Tommy Thompson
on behalf of McCain.
My union has invited me to a Hillary event in Wausau tomorrow.
I might go just to see what it's like.

[digitaldean]

Obama just announced a stop at Kaukauna High School Sunday. It's about 4 miles from my place and might just make it out there.

McCain and Huckabee are going to be in Appleton Monday. Hoping to see one of them too if possible.

Though I am not a Democrat, this election is theirs to lose. With the lack of a real dynamic candidate that be substantive AND catch people's attention I don't see them winning more than a dozen states in November.

if you go to JSOnline they have a series of videos that Obama and Huckabee had with the Journal editorial board. Most enlightening, I must say.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Delivered lots of Hillary mail on my route today.

good man, you're doing the lord's work.

Listening to Hillary's speech in Milwaukee right now on CSPAN, Obama up next.

Tomorrow is supposed to be Clinton's big Wisconsin campaign day before she leaves Monday morning. Speaking in Madison, Lacrosse, etc.
RIGHT. Like she's gonna be zooming around the state in the middle of a blizzard. Those dopes, puttting all their eggs in a one-day basket.

I don't know why the hell the Clinton campaign has not put in a better effort. Obama is ahead 4 points in the polls lately, that's not much.

[hoosier]

Delivered lots of Hillary mail on my route today.
Should I vote for her because she's helping my job security?
Also got phone messages from McCain and from Tommy Thompson
on behalf of McCain.
My union has invited me to a Hillary event in Wausau tomorrow.
I might go just to see what it's like.

Nah, do what teenagers have been doing with circulars for generations and dump the Hillary mail in the storm sewer.

[Joemailman]

Delivered lots of Hillary mail on my route today.

good man, you're doing the lord's work.

Listening to Hillary's speech in Milwaukee right now on CSPAN, Obama up next.

Tomorrow is supposed to be Clinton's big Wisconsin campaign day before she leaves Monday morning. Speaking in Madison, Lacrosse, etc.
RIGHT. Like she's gonna be zooming around the state in the middle of a blizzard. Those dopes, puttting all their eggs in a one-day basket.

I don't know why the hell the Clinton campaign has not put in a better effort. Obama is ahead 4 points in the polls lately, that's not much.

She'll be appearing about a mile from my house tomorrow. If the forecast is right, she might have to scrap the plane for a snowmobile. I agree she made a mistake in not spending more time in Wisconsin. She needs to stop Obama's momentum. I thought she gave a good speech tonight. Not a rousing speech, but darned effective. I heard a lot of positions staked out in that speech that would be effective in a debate with McCain. Obama's speech was well delivered, but I thought it was more of the same.

[Scott Campbell]

Delivered lots of Hillary mail on my route today.

good man, you're doing the lord's work.

Just like Judas.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Watched some Sunday morning talking heads. I don't think the Democrats are in danger of being split over the rules fights, it's already happened.

Governor Doyle says that it will be disaster if the super delegates don't follow pledge delegates, compares to Chicago '68 convention. Ex-Governor Wilder threatens rioting in the streets by blacks if super delegates don't follow pledges. Republican pundit Kate O'Beirne says that the result will be tainted if Obama has even one more pledge delegate, and the supers go other way.

I can't support Obama. The efforts by Obama and his supporters to intimidate the Super Delegates have already invalidated the nomination process. They've made it clear that they are not going to respect the rules if things don't go their way.

The Obamalites make an excellent argument on overall fairness grounds. OF COURSE the voters and caucuses should decide the nomination, anything else leaves a sour taste. The problem is this is an argument against having Super Delegates!! The SD's were created for one reason only: to act independently and vote their conciences. They are supposed to be knowledgable people looking out for the party interests. I think on balance Super Delegates are a bad idea, precisely because of what we see this year. But too late to change the rules now.

I would have no problem with the Obamalites arguing that the Super Delegates should strongly weigh the choice of the voters. This is just common sense. But they've gone well beyond this point, they've made threats.

The issue with Florida & Michigan is much the same. On fairness grounds, OF COURSE it is ridiculous to exclude their delegates, especially since Florida had both Clinton & Obama on the ballot and there was a record turnout. But the agreed rules have to followed, even terribly unwise rules. NO WAY can either of those votes be used to affect the outcome. (There is a way to resolve this problem within the rules - have another primary vote - but for reasons I don't understand that option is not being pursued.) To my knowledge, Clintonites have not said they will not respect the nomination results if those delegates are excluded - that would be crossing the line in my view.

I won't be able to vote for McCain because of the 'R' word. I'll just not vote.

[MJZiggy]

You could always go and write her in on principle...

[Harlan Huckleby]

nah, I would end up voting for Obama and walking home in tears.

[RashanGary]

I've seen many stubborn, irrational right wingers. Maybe I'm sheltered but I've never met a stubborn, irrational liberal. You are the first crazy lib I've met, HH And I'd consider myself more conservative than liberal so it's not like I havn't looked for crazy libs.


For fucks sake, just do what you think is right. Is that so hard? And for all of your obama sucks crap, he's the best chance you have because Clinton is an unlikable bitch. The longer she's out there the more I can't stand her and I'm sure I"m not the only one (just look at the polls). She's going to sink herself just being herself.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Any assertive, powerful woman is a bitch. Nancy Pelosi is regularly called a bitch. Hillary is a bitch. MEN DO NOT LIKE ASSERTIVE FEMALE LEADERS. It takes a very, very tough person to successfully run for president.

I prefer to think of Hillary as a Battle Axe. I like that quality, I want a tough person (and an empathetic core.)

Hah! My mom, who dislikes Hillary, says that she was mean to Obama during the debates. As if Obama is a little boy, and Hillary is a nasty old lady - she should be sweeter.

The prejudice against women is FAR greater than racial prejudice. We don't think about it much because it is so ingrained. Woman are, after all, very different from men, so it seems reasonable to view them differently.

[RashanGary]

And as an independant voter, I was leaning toward McCain but now I'm damn near ready to pull the lever for Obama for almost no good reason at all except that he seems like the least slippery, lying, corrupt dirt bag that's out there. At least a bunch of his money comes from people who want a black president. I'd rather he owe allegance to them than to big interest lobbiests.

I have almost no confidence in the system. It's supposed to protect the interests of the people, but it ends up protecting special interests. Obama will probably suck too, but he's the guy that I have the least skepticism about and from what I see, that would be enough for me in most elections because I think the majority of candidates of full of shit and on missions other the ones outlines in their lying campaigns.

[RashanGary]

Well, you go on being a good liberal, standing up for the cause of women. For your irrational sake, I hope she wins on superdelegates and takes the party down with her so you can sit around dealing with a shitty fucking health care situation and wish the big bad republicans hadn't won their third term in a row while at the same time wondering how it happened.

Fuck, sometimes you do what you have to do. I can guarantee you having that screechy bitch yelling about the republicans not doing enough in congress isn't going to do a damn thing for the advancement of women. Barack, on the other hand, seems like a guy who could get up and dispell every black stereotype in the book.

[Harlan Huckleby]

what black stereotypes do you think are in need of dispelling?


i don't care about electing a woman or a black. that is of minor importance.