Moktada al-Sadr, Emperor of Iraq

[texaspackerbacker]

Tyrone, maybe in the circles you travel,

Tyrone doesn't travel in circles. He struts into the room.

Probably stumbles and bumbles in--if he's anything like the persona he likes to project. I actually doubt he is even black, much less the rest of the crap he pretends to be.

Here we go--off on another tangent--away from the discussion oof the evils of the Muslim enemy, etc.

[Zool]

Tyrone, maybe in the circles you travel, there is a high demand for the various drugs, etc. you mentioned, but that situation is EXTREMELY much less prevalent among the huge majority which I like to call good normal Americans. Ditto that for the extremely overrated prevalence of huffing.

You need to get out of your circle of friends if you think this is in any way true. If you are disagreeing for the sake of it, I'll buy that. To say that the demand for drugs is low is naive and dangerous. If you have kids from 12-18 you might want to check things out.

Also, sports are not the out from drugs most baby boomers think they are. 2/3rds of my high school football team smoked pot. Thats not an exaggeration.

Good normal americans are on drugs. Prescription drugs are still drugs. Even the voice of the right is a drug addict. My favorite Rush quote was "all drug users should go to prison". How's that oxycontin Rush?

[GrnBay007]

How's that oxycontin Rush?

[texaspackerbacker]

It may come as a shock to you, Zool, but even Rush Limbaugh, for all his wonderful normal American rhetoric, is NOT a shining example of American normalcy.

And as for the BULLSHIT about some overly large percentage of Americans being into drugs, just like the similar bogus percentages of Americans into homosexuality or various other perversions, it is nothing more than the same old haters comprising the American left, trying to paint a false picture, and trying to drag the country down to the level of depravity they would like to inflict on the country.

Which only leaves the question: are you an elitist who knows damn well what you are spewing about the rottenness of American culture is wrong? Or are you merely a dupe who believes the crap others spew?

[Zool]

Which only leaves the question: are you an elitist who knows damn well what you are spewing about the rottenness of American culture is wrong? Or are you merely a dupe who believes the crap others spew?

Uhh neither actually. I'm a person who have lived many different places and had a very large cross section of people I've met and worked with. Called most of them friends. I'm only speaking from experience. I never actually gave a percentage other than my specific football which I watched do illegal drugs. Hell there was a yearly party for the team called 420.

Also a shocker, as I've explained, I dont identify left or right. Both sides have extremists who are so far off their fucking rocker that they should be euthanized.

Have you ever met a gay man or woman? They are just like you and me except for their sexual preference. You call them perverse, yet there's plenty of politicians having bathroom sex, diddling their interns with cigars and catholic priests fucking alter boys. Now thats what I call perverse.

People are just people Tex. There isn't a line drawn between what you consider good ones and bad ones. They just are who they are.

And for the record, I'm against illegal drug usage. I'm just not naive enough to think its a small % of Americans using them. Prescription drug use just keeps going up, and not by people whom they were prescribed to. Driving high is just as stupid and dangerous as driving drunk.

[texaspackerbacker]

No argument with much of what you say, Zool, EXCEPT for the disparity--huge, I suspect--between you idea and my idea of how common the various (shall we say) departures from normalcy are in the population.

I've known flaming fags who were nice people--just wanting to be left alone, and not trying to inflict their abomination on others. I've known straight liberals who hugely inflated the percentage of homosexuality, and were intent on pushing that perversion on kids in schools and others--characterizing it as merely an alternative form of normal.

I've known druggies too, including a few hard drug users who shaped up and went on to live normal lives. The key word is "few". You talk about marijuana use--2/3 of your football team and all. First of all, as liberals are usually so intent on pointing out, pot is not even close to the same degree of badness as hard drugs. And while it's true, if you asked the question, who has used pot in the past, you would get a large percentage of yeses, you would be asking the wrong question. The proper question would be: do you STILL get high regularly--does it cause your life to depart from what most would call normal behavior?

Sure, there are a small minority of degenerates, perverts, whatever on both sides of the political spectrum. My point, though, is that if you get beyond occasional pot use, the aberrant behavior is EXTREMELY rare as a percentage of the population.

I ask again, are you knowingly pushing a wrongly over-inflated picture of how many Americans are into those kinds of depravity? Or are you merely expressing misguided belief in the false percentages you are implying--if not actually stating?

[Zool]

Well if those are my only options then I'm misguided by personal experience.

[texaspackerbacker]

Does that mean you are sticking to the concept that a large percentage of Americans are hard drug users--the kind of stuff Tyrone or whoever described on the previous page--not merely occasional marijuana use?

[Zool]

Never said that at all. But you come across as assuming less than 1% do and thats not at all accurate in my experience.

Marijuana is just as illegal as the "hard" drugs. Right or wrong.

[texaspackerbacker]

Never said that at all. But you come across as assuming less than 1% do and thats not at all accurate in my experience.

Marijuana is just as illegal as the "hard" drugs. Right or wrong.

What is this, role reversal? The liberal position has always been that marijuana is relatively harmless. I don't know if I'm ready to concede that, but I certainly would acknowledge that it is much less harmful than hard drugs and other things. The fact that it is "just as illegal", isn't that supposed to be my line?

So you are setting the threshhold for large scale hard drug use at 1%, and asking me if I'm assuming less than 1% are into that sort of thing? Hell yeah, that's what I'm assuming.

As I stated earlier, if you're talking about "ever used in their life", then the number would undoubtedly be higher. But if you're talking about regular users of hard drugs in the present, absolutely I would put the figure at well under 1%, and the bulk of that would be concentrated in limited geographic and class area--apparently where you have had your "experience".

[Zool]

<-------not a liberal.

[texaspackerbacker]

<-------not a liberal.

Did I say you were--in this post, anyway?

If you say you're not a liberal, great. Then I guess you can't be all bad. You do, however, sort of quack like one.

[Zool]

What is this, role reversal? The liberal position has always been that marijuana is relatively harmless.

Maybe I took this line wrong?

[texaspackerbacker]

I didn't leap to the assumption that YOU were a liberal--just that your position on this issue seemed kinda unliberal--which was surprisingly in contrast to a lot of other stuff you say.

I tend to be very supportive of anybody who hates to be labeled with that dirty word, "liberal".

We AGAIN seem to be straying--or diverted--from the subject of institutionalized evil in the Muslim religion and in Muslim nations. We even have strayed--by design of you guys, some of whom at least, don't want to be called liberal, or not--from the first removed topic, similarities of slavery and drug use--the supply and demand side of both. We have even been estranged from the second level of diversion, the percentage of depravity in our culture--drugs, homosexuality, other aberrant behavior.

Let me take this opportunity to accuse the leftist media and leftists in general--not necessarily Zool because he denies being one--of INTENTIONALLY OVER-ESTIMATING VARIOUS DEGENERATE ELEMENTS IN OUR CULTURE IN ORDER TO DISRESPECT AND DISPARAGE AMERICA, AND IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY PROMOTE THE TYPES OF DEPRAVITY THEY OVER-ESTIMATE--drug use, homosexuality, other perversions and evils.

[hoosier]

Let me take this opportunity to accuse the leftist media and leftists in general--not necessarily Zool because he denies being one--of INTENTIONALLY OVER-ESTIMATING VARIOUS DEGENERATE ELEMENTS IN OUR CULTURE IN ORDER TO DISRESPECT AND DISPARAGE AMERICA, AND IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY PROMOTE THE TYPES OF DEPRAVITY THEY OVER-ESTIMATE--drug use, homosexuality, other perversions and evils.

That's absolutely right. But thankfully we have Tex to remind us of all of the Leftist media's hidden agenda, which dates back to the Cold War with its efforts to promote flouridation of our water and precious bodily fluids. Never forget that the Leftist media was also the leading culprit in permitting the mine-shaft gap that nearly led to this country's being overrun by Godless Communism in the early 1960s. Buck Turgidson, where art thou now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Kvg...eature=related