So Happy For Mad And Harlan

[Tarlam!]

I have a real problem with homophobic couples raising kids. And yes, I know how loving they are. And how so many "normal" marriages are fucked.

I still cannot tolerate same sex couples raising our future.

i have the same problem Tarlam.

Shit. Got me. But you knew what I meant!!

I have a problem with same sex couples raising our future. And no, I am not homophobic. And it was a freudian slip maybe - what do i know!

[MadtownPacker]

I say give them their fucking rights but when they start crossing the line in public, treat them "equal" and cite their ass for being naked or exposing there sick selves or whatever sick shit they are doing.

And as for kids, fuck no do they deserve the right to adopt.

So you are saying give them their marriage rights except for adoption?

Since they are able to love each other let them have someone kind of legal bond. But they are not able to make a child so no, they dont get that right. A hetero couple who for medical reasons cant concieve has an excuse, fags dont.

You are wanting to adopt?

[Iron Mike]

No surprise. San Francisco was the birth place of the countercultural movement.

Back in the 60's the CIA used to pose as hippies to distribute LSD to many a fine flower folks .It was part of the cia's mind altering experiment called Project UKULTRA. LSD succeeded in preventing the existence of a peaceful utopia. However, Project MKULTRA was a complete disaster. All it did was gave birth to a generation of long-haired, tree hugging heroine users: the fine flower folks of the 70's.

Back to the topic of this thread.

Jesus Christ.....get your facts straight before you post.

MK-ULTRA was a mind control and interrogation research program that ran from the 1950s into the 1970s. The ultimate objective was a response to efforts that the Soviets and Asians had subjected US POWs from the Korean war on. Here's an example:

http://www.usspueblo.org/v2f/admin/welcomeframe.html

In other words, if they're going to play this game, we will also. And we'll do a better job of it. It involved a LOT more than giving acid to hippies in The Haight.

[GoPackGo]

I say give them their fucking rights but when they start crossing the line in public, treat them "equal" and cite their ass for being naked or exposing there sick selves or whatever sick shit they are doing.

And as for kids, fuck no do they deserve the right to adopt.

So you are saying give them their marriage rights except for adoption?

Since they are able to love each other let them have someone kind of legal bond. But they are not able to make a child so no, they dont get that right. A hetero couple who for medical reasons cant concieve has an excuse, fags dont.

You are wanting to adopt?

I'm 1 for 1 in baby making attempts(batting .1000!!)
I thought it was funny you would agree to give gays the right to be legally married but not adopt kids. I think being married and having kids go hand in hand. If I didn't want to have kids I'd still be single and out on the prowl for a new hole to put my junk in every weekend.
The only reason to not allow gays to be married is the popular religions of the world say that homosexuality is wrong. I'm a christian but I realize that seperating religion and governemnt is very important.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Mike Ditka, open up you mind. I got my facts from a History Channel show on the glorious hippies.

The hippies of the 60's were seeking a peaceful and happy utopia. The CIA fucked that up by handing out free LSD.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Show some courage for once, Hoosier, Zool, Tyrone, Ziggy, Joe, any other leftists .

I left you out, Harlan, when I called out the leftists as the disgusting cowards they are

Thanks for not lumping me in with those wretched people, Tex.

[MJZiggy]

Bite me, Harlan.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So you are saying give them their marriage rights except for adoption?

Since they are able to love each other let them have someone kind of legal bond. But they are not able to make a child so no, they dont get that right. A hetero couple who for medical reasons cant concieve has an excuse, fags dont.

People come up with a lot of reasons why two adults shouldn't be able to get married or adopt. People used to say mixed race couples shouldn't get married or adopt because it puts their kids at a social disadvantage. There was much truth to this in the 1950's and 1960's, less relevance today.

Some people say marriage is for child raising, therefore gays shouldn't marry because they biologically can't reproduce. Well, what about hetero couples who can't reproduce? Mad says they "have an excuse, fags don't." I have no friggin idea what logic is running through his marijuana-addled head. That statement makes no sense, I would say the biological ability to reproduce has zero relevance to whether two people should be able to get married or adopt kids.

When it comes to marriage & kids, I think we should just be practical and leave the religious views out of it. There is no practical reason why any two unmarried adults shouldn't be able to marry, so no reason for the state to restrict people. As to adoption, there are some advantages to having both a male and female as role models, so gay parents should be at a disadvantage when seeking to adopt. But it is not the only consideration. There are MANY factors to consider.

[texaspackerbacker]

I dont care if Harlan wants to blow college boys for food but I just hate how queers always want to make a big display of their faggotness. They go directly out of their way to kiss and have their hands all over each other in public. You dont see straight couples announcing "oh yeah, we fuck each other" do you??

They want to be treated equal they should act equal. I think it is inappropriate for a hetero couple to overly display affection in public too so dont think this is only about pole-smokers. Funny thing is that lesbians couples are actually usually very dignified and it is clear they carry themselves in a family type of way. It is always the gay males that are the problem. It is not right for little kids to have to see that shit and be confused.

I say give them their fucking rights but when they start crossing the line in public, treat them "equal" and cite their ass for being naked or exposing there sick selves or whatever sick shit they are doing.

And as for kids, fuck no do they deserve the right to adopt.

Sarcasm or not, Madtown, I certainly agree with a lot of what you say.

However, just to show my tolerance , let me do a rare bit of defending gays. IMO, it is a fairly small percentage of them who are like you describe--showing off their faggotness, etc.

As with people in general, what I have observed is that the large majority of homosexuals are peaceable and fairly normal in most other ways--NOT wanting to draw attention to themselves, but just wanting to be left alone. It is that few who are as you describe in conjunction with a whole lot of mostly straight left wingers who are trying to rock the boat and make over America into a society that not just allows gays to practice their chosen behavior, but which pretends and even preaches to kids in schools that homosexual behavior is normal. THAT is the abomination--not merely harmless misguided wretches minding their own business.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Show some courage for once, Hoosier, Zool, Tyrone, Ziggy, Joe, any other leftists for whom the shoe fits, instead of running and hiding and diverting the discussion like you usually do.

Damn! I didn't know Zool was a leftist. That bastard! He hides it well.

[Deputy Nutz]

I have a real problem with homophobic couples raising kids. And yes, I know how loving they are. And how so many "normal" marriages are fucked.

I still cannot tolerate same sex couples raising our future.

i have the same problem Tarlam.

Shit. Got me. But you knew what I meant!!

I have a problem with same sex couples raising our future. And no, I am not homophobic. And it was a freudian slip maybe - what do i know!

Who gives a shit, they are raising babies that were unwanted to begin with that most likely would grow up to be criminals. You narrow your view on how you expect them to raise a child. You narrow your view to the gay upbringing but yet you refuse to factor into your post the future that these two butt lovers saved the kid from.

[Tarlam!]

Who gives a shit, they are raising babies that were unwanted to begin with that most likely would grow up to be criminals. You narrow your view on how you expect them to raise a child. You narrow your view to the gay upbringing but yet you refuse to factor into your post the future that these two butt lovers saved the kid from.

Well, all those male/female couples that want to adopt and have to wait a trillion years probably give a shit, Nutz.

HH makes a pretty good case to exclude sexuality when it comes to adoption, but I think this is an issue that I can't be convinced on with arguments alone. I simply find it wrong that Gays and Lesbians be allowed to raise kids, because that's not how nature seems to have wanted it.

Next, HH or others could use that to argue against invitro fertilization, because nature clearly is selective. Or, nature can't be counted on if we add up all the crack babies. Or even better, arguing that single parentage is against nature, too, so we should take away all kids from divorced families. I've heard it all before. They are the classic counters. And I still disagree with it.

In this country, allowing same sex marriages was mainly accepted when it was realized by the vast majority that gays and lesbians had significant rights issues pertaining to illness and inheritance. And I can support that decision without blinking an eye. They should have a right to choose their partners and be equal in society. Except when it comes to child rearing, IMO.

[MadtownPacker]

Sarcasm or not, Madtown, I certainly agree with a lot of what you say.

However, just to show my tolerance , let me do a rare bit of defending gays. IMO, it is a fairly small percentage of them who are like you describe--showing off their faggotness, etc.

As with people in general, what I have observed is that the large majority of homosexuals are peaceable and fairly normal in most other ways--NOT wanting to draw attention to themselves, but just wanting to be left alone. It is that few who are as you describe in conjunction with a whole lot of mostly straight left wingers who are trying to rock the boat and make over America into a society that not just allows gays to practice their chosen behavior, but which pretends and even preaches to kids in schools that homosexual behavior is normal. THAT is the abomination--not merely harmless misguided wretches minding their own business.

Tex, there aint a drop of sarcasm in my statement. THat is the way I feel about this subject.

I guess you have a point about a few bad apples ruining the bunch. BUt like I said, it is always the male homos not the lesbians who make a show of shit. I imagine Harlan is one of these type of gays.

[MJZiggy]

Who gives a shit, they are raising babies that were unwanted to begin with that most likely would grow up to be criminals. You narrow your view on how you expect them to raise a child. You narrow your view to the gay upbringing but yet you refuse to factor into your post the future that these two butt lovers saved the kid from.

Well, all those male/female couples that want to adopt and have to wait a trillion years probably give a shit, Nutz.

HH makes a pretty good case to exclude sexuality when it comes to adoption, but I think this is an issue that I can't be convinced on with arguments alone. I simply find it wrong that Gays and Lesbians be allowed to raise kids, because that's not how nature seems to have wanted it.

Tar, I was one of those male/female couples. It takes a million years if you wanna raise a newborn. A decent chunk of time and money if you wanna raise an infant. But the kids that are older or unhealthy don't really have anyone clamoring to take them. If they get taken out of their homes because of abuse or whatever, they flounder in the system--oftentimes until they reach maturity.

And from what I've seen, the more demonstrative men are the young ones who are angry and trying to demand acceptance either that or they're just young and hormonal. Once they are older, they settle in, just like you see hetero kids who can't keep their hands off each other.

[Tarlam!]

So, Ziggy, what you are saying is that we should give our societies "trash kids" to Gays and Lesbians, cause we "straight" people don't want 'em?

I can't begin to believe that that is correct, but it seems to play on Nutz' comment, also. How sick are we?