What to do about the gays?

[MJZiggy]

I didn't get to finish what I was going to write. Kids came in the house and told me how a dad up the street (a traditional family man):P was yelling at them...threw the F-bomb a few times over his kid's plastic lawn ornament squirrel that got broke when she was playing in our yard. Had my son pay him $10 for the ornament since he did play a part in it getting broke....and then told traditional family man if he has a problem with my son in the future I would appreciate him letting me know rather than swearing at my kid. Handed him a bag of wrappers his kids left in my yard and told him respect for property works both ways.

Anyway, I understand you were talking welfare in particular...just irked me a bit how you lumped certain things together.

Don't read into this in any way as me judging whether or not a traditional family is better or worse, I'm a libertarian as I have said many times, I don't care what people do. HOWEVER I think most women (and men) would rather have a traditional family with steady income and independence, which most public assistance programs in their current form make difficult.

I may not have a traditional family...as you call it but you made reference to having an actual family as well. I'm a single mom, have steady income and major independence and am quite proud of my family.

You'll never be whole and satisfied till you have a man around the house. Tyrone is available...though, he doesn't fulfill the term "man" in the traditional sense.

anyone wanna take this one

Not a chance in hell...

[mraynrand]

Do any of you people go to church other than Harv?

"The words of the wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools"

[Scott Campbell]

Do any of you people go to church other than Harv?

"The words of the wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools"

I'm sorry, I went to a public college. Any sentence with the word "ruleth" in it will have to be interpreted for me.

[mraynrand]

Do any of you people go to church other than Harv?

"The words of the wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools"

I'm sorry, I went to a public college. Any sentence with the word "ruleth" in it will have to be interpreted for me.

Ask King James!

[Scott Campbell]

Do any of you people go to church other than Harv?

"The words of the wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools"

I'm sorry, I went to a public college. Any sentence with the word "ruleth" in it will have to be interpreted for me.

Ask King James!

LeBron?

[MJZiggy]

Do any of you people go to church other than Harv?

"The words of the wise men are heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools"

I'm sorry, I went to a public college. Any sentence with the word "ruleth" in it will have to be interpreted for me.

Ask King James!

Isn't he the dude that had the Bible changed to suit his own purposes?

[Joemailman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version_of_the_Bible

The Authorized King James Version is an English translation of the Christian Bible begun in 1604 and first published in 1611 by the Church of England. The Great Bible was the first "authorized version" issued by the Church of England in the reign of King Henry VIII.[2] In January 1604, King James I of England convened the Hampton Court Conference where a new English version was conceived in response to the perceived problems of the earlier translations as detected by the Puritans. The Puritans were a faction within the Church of England.

The king gave the translators instructions designed to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy. The translation was by 47 scholars, all whom were members of the Church of England. In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from the Textus Receptus (Received Text) series of the Greek texts. The Old Testament was translated from the Masoretic Hebrew text, while the Apocrypha were translated from the Greek Septuagint (LXX), except for 2 Esdras, which was translated from the Latin Vulgate. Thus, the Authorized Version included the Apocrypha.

[hoosier]

Again, I challege you to quit your current job and go work at walmart. You'll see why reforming welfare is ineffective.

And I challenge Ted Kennedy to go get his care in Canada and see why nationalized healthcare is a bad idea.

You still have no idea what you're talking about on this one. First you claim that Rituxan isn't offered to lymphoma patients in England (false), now you insinuate that Canadian health care is inferior to US. Can you back that one up?

[bobblehead]

Again, I challege you to quit your current job and go work at walmart. You'll see why reforming welfare is ineffective.

And I challenge Ted Kennedy to go get his care in Canada and see why nationalized healthcare is a bad idea.

You still have no idea what you're talking about on this one. First you claim that Rituxan isn't offered to lymphoma patients in England (false), now you insinuate that Canadian health care is inferior to US. Can you back that one up?

I apologized for being mistaken on rituxan, I was outdated. I made a mistake by not keeping up on my arguement. I can't say that any other way. I even thanked you for pointing it out so I wouldn't go on making that mistake. In fairness, there was a time when that was true, you act as though I was completely making it up.

Can I back that up?? In what way, I merely want Ted Kennedy to go get in line for treatment like canadians do, same as pack wants me to go work at walmart.

Can I back it up....hmmm....well, when rich people get sick from all over the world they come to america for treatment. When other countries are training their doctors for their nationalized health care they send them here.

Can I back it up? Go ask medical professionals in Buffalo how many people come from canada to get a MRI because they are in a 7 month wait for it in canada.

Can I back it up? Most of the blockbuster/life altering drugs discovered in the world are discovered here....other systems get propped up by piggybacking our innovation.

If you want nationalized health care, I encourage you to go ahead and let the people who screwed up SS and nearly everything they touch to go ahead and manage your health. Me?? I'll be in thailand at a wonderful hospital full of american trained doctors getting my healthcare on time...can you afford to do that?

[Joemailman]

A lot of people think that the Canadian plan is completely funded by the government, which is not true. In Canada, 70% of health care funding is from the government, compared to 44% in the U.S. However, because the cost of health care here is double what it is in Canada, the U.S. government actually pays about 25% more per capita for health care than does the Canadian government. As some have said, "We're paying for universal health coverage. We're just not getting it." The main knock against the Canadian system is longer waits for non-emergency services, but some might consider that a good trade-off if it meant considerably lower health care costs.

[hoosier]

Again, I challege you to quit your current job and go work at walmart. You'll see why reforming welfare is ineffective.

And I challenge Ted Kennedy to go get his care in Canada and see why nationalized healthcare is a bad idea.

You still have no idea what you're talking about on this one. First you claim that Rituxan isn't offered to lymphoma patients in England (false), now you insinuate that Canadian health care is inferior to US. Can you back that one up?

I apologized for being mistaken on rituxan, I was outdated. I made a mistake by not keeping up on my arguement. I can't say that any other way. I even thanked you for pointing it out so I wouldn't go on making that mistake. In fairness, there was a time when that was true, you act as though I was completely making it up.

Can I back that up?? In what way, I merely want Ted Kennedy to go get in line for treatment like canadians do, same as pack wants me to go work at walmart.

Can I back it up....hmmm....well, when rich people get sick from all over the world they come to america for treatment. When other countries are training their doctors for their nationalized health care they send them here.

Can I back it up? Go ask medical professionals in Buffalo how many people come from canada to get a MRI because they are in a 7 month wait for it in canada.

Can I back it up? Most of the blockbuster/life altering drugs discovered in the world are discovered here....other systems get propped up by piggybacking our innovation.

If you want nationalized health care, I encourage you to go ahead and let the people who screwed up SS and nearly everything they touch to go ahead and manage your health. Me?? I'll be in thailand at a wonderful hospital full of american trained doctors getting my healthcare on time...can you afford to do that?

Your impressions of the Canadian health care system seem to be comprised of well-worn stereotypes about long waits. There are flaws with health care provider systems in both countries, and most objective assessments that I've read come to the conclusion that quality of service is roughly equal in the US and Canada--although Canadians have a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US, and they pay a lot less for health care than we do. If you're as rich and famous as Ted Kennedy and can get seen by whoever you want whenever you want, chances are you'll pick a world-famous specialist at an East Coast university. But to conclude from that the US has an innate superiority over another countries health care system is naive.

[Freak Out]

A lot of people think that the Canadian plan is completely funded by the government, which is not true. In Canada, 70% of health care funding is from the government, compared to 44% in the U.S. However, because the cost of health care here is double what it is in Canada, the U.S. government actually pays about 25% more per capita for health care than does the Canadian government. As some have said, "We're paying for universal health coverage. We're just not getting it." The main knock against the Canadian system is longer waits for non-emergency services, but some might consider that a good trade-off if it meant considerably lower health care costs.

I have an aunt and three cousins that live in various regions of Canada and they have nothing but good things to say about the cost and the care. It's not like you cross the border and Theodoric of York is ready to take off your arm if you get a hangnail. Give the whole "Foreign" healthcare thing a rest. People before profit when it comes to the nations health.

[3irty1]

But can I at least marry three or four consenting adults at once?

Just 3 or 4?

I feel like after 3 or 4 things would start to get exponentially bitchier. It could be cool for a few days though.

[Scott Campbell]

But can I at least marry three or four consenting adults at once?

Just 3 or 4?

I feel like after 3 or 4 things would start to get exponentially bitchier. It could be cool for a few days though.

Surprisingly, it actually gets easier. After 5 or 6 they just bitch to each other because they know I don't have time to listen.

[bobblehead]

Your impressions of the Canadian health care system seem to be comprised of well-worn stereotypes about long waits. There are flaws with health care provider systems in both countries, and most objective assessments that I've read come to the conclusion that quality of service is roughly equal in the US and Canada--although Canadians have a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US, and they pay a lot less for health care than we do. If you're as rich and famous as Ted Kennedy and can get seen by whoever you want whenever you want, chances are you'll pick a world-famous specialist at an East Coast university. But to conclude from that the US has an innate superiority over another countries health care system is naive.

I agree that other countries have decent health care and that in some cases nationalized care isn't so bad. I also contend that most of the innovation and lifealtering type things are discovered in the american free market system. The higher life expectancy and infant mortality stuff can be attributed to a lot of things many of which are not medicine related at all.

I agree that when you finally get care in canada it is close to here, but the waiting is a killer for me. I also would say if we never allowed canada to use the drugs and other technical advances we have discovered/created here their care would not be the same. If I am correct canada has much higher taxes than we do, and still pays something like $70 a month for health care. Not sure on copays and such.

I put a nice spiel on the other thread about what is wrong with our healthcare here in the USA and how congress has been messing with it since 1973 and it is getting progressively worse, and now their solution is they want total control of it. They bankrupted SS, you really think they can handle this one?