What to do about the gays?

[Partial]

That's far less likely to happen today, because the kids really just don't give a shit. The people I knew were very active in school and their kid didn't miss out on a thing.

I think you are very wrong about that. Sure, by like 8th grade. But a kid can handle it by 8th grade. Any kid is going to mortified in elementary school, and c'mon, who doesn't remember the loser that was always picked on?!? That always starts at a young age, like 1st or 2nd grade and just continues on.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

"Said child is being exposed to something not the norm and being forced to deal with it at far too early of an age."

I totally agree. We should also ban interfaith marriage as well. Not the norm. And, not black/white marriage either...not the norm.



As for children being exposed to ridicule...all children get teased. That is part of being a child. If they aren't teasing you because you have two dads, they'll find another...the clothes you wear, your looks, your last name, etc.

Part of growing up is learning to deal with teasing...at least it was before all you conservative PC types started trying to make wimps outta children.

There was a kid in my kid's school being raised by a lesbian couple and I gotta tell you, not only was that a very well adjusted child, the rest of the kids really didn't give a flying f*ck about it. And both of the parents helped with the PTA, activities and all that kind of stuff. They did a far better job with their kid than the parents of the kid who thought it was ok to choke another child with a jump rope when she didn't get her way...

I have no doubt about your story. I think many of us conflate our childhood with what is going on now. Kids today are much different..they grew up with gay being part of society...be it on TV or just knowing that certain people are gay. THey are also much more aware of things...especially sex. They are also much more advanced than..well, at least me. THe girls are much more aggressive and..well, i'm JUST PISSED THAT I MISSED OUT ON SEXUALLY PERMISSIVE 8TH GRADERS!!

Or, perhaps those kids at your kids school were like us...they wanted to visit that kid's home for some grailee action.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or adopt kids, but if they want to live together that is their business.

Why, do they have some kind of disease?

I think gays raising children in this country is the least of our worries, but go on concerning yourself about gays raising children above all the fatherless children out there, and all the children that are sexually and physically abused by fathers. Gee, I don't know what is worse.

I've always been right in line with gays shouldn't get to raise children or adopt simply because it exposes children to ridicule at school, things too big for young children to understand, and an unnatural environment. I don't think pointing out bigger problems in other areas is an arguement FOR exposing children to this.

That being said, I am all for civil unions, if John and Bob want to build a life together they should be afforded all the rights of a married couple. To allow them to MARRY is to change the definition of the word, and marriage is founded in church, so I respect that side of it.

I guess my wife and I are not "married" because we were wed outside of any religious ceremony. Great! I guess you should be the one to tell her that, I am not.

So you are against giving a child a loving home because he will be made fun of? Maybe they should only allow gay couples to wed and raise children in New England States where making fun of someone is illegal.

How loving can a home be if the child resents the hell out of his two parents for the choices that they made?

Homosexual is not natural. I don't have a problem with it, but to think marriage should be allowed is ridiculous. Marriage started out as a religious ceremony.

a Homosexual couple should not be able to raise children because it teaches them the wrong message. Then again, with 50+% of families divorced I guess the right message has been blown out of the water long ago.

Why didn't you get married in a church?

How is homosexuality not natural. Of course it is. It exists in nature..therefore it is natural.

It isn't the norm, but is completely natural.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

"Said child is being exposed to something not the norm and being forced to deal with it at far too early of an age."

I totally agree. We should also ban interfaith marriage as well. Not the norm. And, not black/white marriage either...not the norm.



As for children being exposed to ridicule...all children get teased. That is part of being a child. If they aren't teasing you because you have two dads, they'll find another...the clothes you wear, your looks, your last name, etc.

Part of growing up is learning to deal with teasing...at least it was before all you conservative PC types started trying to make wimps outta children.

Whoa whoa whoa... back up.. beep beep beep...

Make wimps out of children?

You're telling me two homos are going to produce more manly and less wimpy children than a heterosexual couple?

The libs and their accept everyone and teasing attitude is what makes kids whimpy. Note that all the emo pussies who go around touting their barack obama flags.

My god, you are dense.

Bobble was against homo marriage because the kid would get teased...that sounds awfully PC to me. Teasing and being able to handle it makes you tough.

As for how kids turn out....more stupidity. They are plenty of tough gay guys..perhaps you've just never met them.

I guess all those gays and sensitive liberals sprang from nowhere..not the result of heterosexual unions.

Lastly, "more manly"...lol...perhaps you should determine what exactly is manly.

[MJZiggy]

That's far less likely to happen today, because the kids really just don't give a shit. The people I knew were very active in school and their kid didn't miss out on a thing.

I think you are very wrong about that. Sure, by like 8th grade. But a kid can handle it by 8th grade. Any kid is going to mortified in elementary school, and c'mon, who doesn't remember the loser that was always picked on?!? That always starts at a young age, like 1st or 2nd grade and just continues on.

P. I'm talking about people I knew (until one of them got a job in Pennsylvania last summer). I'm not talking about an opinion here. This family was in our school from kindergarten through 2nd grade--and NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. The kid didn't get picked on, the parents were active and it was NO BIG DEAL. Period. End of story.

[hoosier]

"Said child is being exposed to something not the norm and being forced to deal with it at far too early of an age."

I totally agree. We should also ban interfaith marriage as well. Not the norm. And, not black/white marriage either...not the norm.



As for children being exposed to ridicule...all children get teased. That is part of being a child. If they aren't teasing you because you have two dads, they'll find another...the clothes you wear, your looks, your last name, etc.

Part of growing up is learning to deal with teasing...at least it was before all you conservative PC types started trying to make wimps outta children.

There was a kid in my kid's school being raised by a lesbian couple and I gotta tell you, not only was that a very well adjusted child, the rest of the kids really didn't give a flying f*ck about it. And both of the parents helped with the PTA, activities and all that kind of stuff. They did a far better job with their kid than the parents of the kid who thought it was ok to choke another child with a jump rope when she didn't get her way...

Good point. The generation that's coming of age now is (with a few notable exceptions) remarkably tolerant and unflappable when it comes to social differences and non-traditional practices.

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That's far less likely to happen today, because the kids really just don't give a shit. The people I knew were very active in school and their kid didn't miss out on a thing.

I think you are very wrong about that. Sure, by like 8th grade. But a kid can handle it by 8th grade. Any kid is going to mortified in elementary school, and c'mon, who doesn't remember the loser that was always picked on?!? That always starts at a young age, like 1st or 2nd grade and just continues on.

P. I'm talking about people I knew (until one of them got a job in Pennsylvania last summer). I'm not talking about an opinion here. This family was in our school from kindergarten through 2nd grade--and NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. The kid didn't get picked on, the parents were active and it was NO BIG DEAL. Period. End of story.

One instance does not equal fact, thats all I am saying.

Ty, I was joking about the manly thing. Just funny how you wrote it.

While many have made the bonobo argument, I just think bonobos are sluts. Its not natural as reproduction is supposed to be the biproduct of sex, and obviously two men cannot make a child.

My main beef with two men raising a child is the child doesn't have any say in the matter. Plus, with a man and women adopting the child it isn't immediately obvious to bystanders that the child was adopted.

[MJZiggy]

That's far less likely to happen today, because the kids really just don't give a shit. The people I knew were very active in school and their kid didn't miss out on a thing.

I think you are very wrong about that. Sure, by like 8th grade. But a kid can handle it by 8th grade. Any kid is going to mortified in elementary school, and c'mon, who doesn't remember the loser that was always picked on?!? That always starts at a young age, like 1st or 2nd grade and just continues on.

P. I'm talking about people I knew (until one of them got a job in Pennsylvania last summer). I'm not talking about an opinion here. This family was in our school from kindergarten through 2nd grade--and NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. The kid didn't get picked on, the parents were active and it was NO BIG DEAL. Period. End of story.

One instance does not equal fact, thats all I am saying.

Ty, I was joking about the manly thing. Just funny how you wrote it.

While many have made the bonobo argument, I just think bonobos are sluts. Its not natural as reproduction is supposed to be the biproduct of sex, and obviously two men cannot make a child.

My main beef with two men raising a child is the child doesn't have any say in the matter. Plus, with a man and women adopting the child it isn't immediately obvious to bystanders that the child was adopted.

It's not one instance, it's 500. Not one kid of the 500 in the school cared. And everything else I've read and heard lately says that the teens are curious as to what the hell the supposed adults are all up in arms about. As to adoption, a white couple adopts a black child, or an Asian child. So that should be outlawed too because it's pretty obvious, right? Those kids didn't have any say in the matter either. Great idea. Let's just keep all the Chinese girls from having loving families because people might notice they're adopted. (keep in mind that some Chinese couples choose selective abortion to make sure they have boys.)

[GrnBay007]

My main beef with two men raising a child is the child doesn't have any say in the matter.

I have very mixed feelings on the subject here, so not getting involved. Just wanted to point out something about the above statement. A child also has no say in the matter if the parents are alcoholics, drug addicts, abusers...... Lots of dysfunctional parents fly under the radar of authorities and the children learn that behavior from day one.

[Bretsky]

That's far less likely to happen today, because the kids really just don't give a shit. The people I knew were very active in school and their kid didn't miss out on a thing.

I think you are very wrong about that. Sure, by like 8th grade. But a kid can handle it by 8th grade. Any kid is going to mortified in elementary school, and c'mon, who doesn't remember the loser that was always picked on?!? That always starts at a young age, like 1st or 2nd grade and just continues on.

P. I'm talking about people I knew (until one of them got a job in Pennsylvania last summer). I'm not talking about an opinion here. This family was in our school from kindergarten through 2nd grade--and NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. The kid didn't get picked on, the parents were active and it was NO BIG DEAL. Period. End of story.

One instance does not equal fact, thats all I am saying.

Ty, I was joking about the manly thing. Just funny how you wrote it.

While many have made the bonobo argument, I just think bonobos are sluts. Its not natural as reproduction is supposed to be the biproduct of sex, and obviously two men cannot make a child.

My main beef with two men raising a child is the child doesn't have any say in the matter. Plus, with a man and women adopting the child it isn't immediately obvious to bystanders that the child was adopted.

It's not one instance, it's 500. Not one kid of the 500 in the school cared. And everything else I've read and heard lately says that the teens are curious as to what the hell the supposed adults are all up in arms about. As to adoption, a white couple adopts a black child, or an Asian child. So that should be outlawed too because it's pretty obvious, right? Those kids didn't have any say in the matter either. Great idea. Let's just keep all the Chinese girls from having loving families because people might notice they're adopted. (keep in mind that some Chinese couples choose selective abortion to make sure they have boys.)

Now how would you know that not one kind in five hundred cared ? That would seem to be an impossible thing to support.

In general, I would agree with Partial here; I think these kids will get targeted. They certainly would in my area.

OK; I will bow out again.

There is a reason I don't get into the RR much; I don't want the drama, emotions, or controversy that goes with real life things.

[MJZiggy]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

[bobblehead]

"Said child is being exposed to something not the norm and being forced to deal with it at far too early of an age."

I totally agree. We should also ban interfaith marriage as well. Not the norm. And, not black/white marriage either...not the norm.



As for children being exposed to ridicule...all children get teased. That is part of being a child. If they aren't teasing you because you have two dads, they'll find another...the clothes you wear, your looks, your last name, etc.

Part of growing up is learning to deal with teasing...at least it was before all you conservative PC types started trying to make wimps outta children.

Whoa whoa whoa... back up.. beep beep beep...

Make wimps out of children?

You're telling me two homos are going to produce more manly and less wimpy children than a heterosexual couple?

The libs and their accept everyone and teasing attitude is what makes kids whimpy. Note that all the emo pussies who go around touting their barack obama flags.

My god, you are dense.

Bobble was against homo marriage because the kid would get teased...that sounds awfully PC to me. Teasing and being able to handle it makes you tough.

As for how kids turn out....more stupidity. They are plenty of tough gay guys..perhaps you've just never met them.

I guess all those gays and sensitive liberals sprang from nowhere..not the result of heterosexual unions.

Lastly, "more manly"...lol...perhaps you should determine what exactly is manly.

I didn't say I was against homo marriage, I said I was FOR civil unions and I didn't care as far as marriage goes, but I understood people being against redefining the word. I said I was against them adopting because it puts undo hardship on the kid.

You sarcastically put in that interfaith marriages and interracial marriages shoulddn't be allowed either (I assume you meant shouldn't be allowed children cuz that is actually what I was against.) There was a time when the country felt that way and allowing a mixed race couple to adopt was unheard of, we have moved past that.

NOW, I grant that you may be correct that todays kids don't care and its more acceptable to them, just as inter racial marriage is more acceptable to our generation, and if you are right, when those kids get older and dominate the legislature and voting block the law will reflect it, and I will be fine with it then. If you could prove to me that they are fine with it and it wouldn't be an undue burden on the child I would be fine with it now. Please don't think I am making a judgement on homosexuals or their lifestyles just because I think simply instituting a civil union to give them all the legal rights of a married couple would be a simple solution. (or because other conservatives posting here are making such judgements)

I think tyrone, that at some point your disdain for conservatives will end and you will stop reading into peoples words (at least mine), I hope so, because I find you somewhat intelligent and capable of making a point. You make a good one here, albeit in a roundabout way. I am not a "hate filled monger" or any of the other things conservatives are labeled.

[Bretsky]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

In my area there would be harrassment everywhere and if somebody would ask me I'd think the environment you portray would be very rare

[MJZiggy]

I don't remember if your little ones are old enough for school, but check out the kids. I think you're remembering from when you were in school, but it's a different wold and they're different people than we were. To be honest, before I saw it for myself, I'd have probably shared your opinion, but apparently it only matters to them if we make a big-ass deal about it.

[bobblehead]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

Not that I am explicitly saying you are wrong, but there are still many factors you can't be sure/aware of. Does the kid ask mommys questions about other households showing he is confused? Can you be sure that no kid says anything when its just the 2 of them in the bathroom? I think trying to judge what is going on with a kid from the outside is nearly impossible.

You could be very right and the kid isn't suffering at all from being put in that situation, but that verdict won't be in for several years. I'm just not in favor of experimenting with kids. I'd rather they are put into traditional households and homosexuals get their equal rights and acceptance in other areas...which I am all for.

I also accept the point that a lot of kids get put into shitty environments in hetero households and I'm all for any solution to that problem, but again, saying someone else has it tough so its ok to INTENTIONALLY put someone in a tough position is a pretty weak arguement.