What to do about the gays?

[Harlan Huckleby]

NOW, I grant that you may be correct that todays kids don't care and its more acceptable to them, just as inter racial marriage is more acceptable to our generation, and if you are right, when those kids get older and dominate the legislature and voting block the law will reflect it, and I will be fine with it then.

Laws against interracial marriage didn't change because the voters and legislators changed their minds. The laws changed because the courts struck them down. I suspect those laws would have hung on for another 30 years in some states without intervention by the courts.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

In my area there would be harrassment everywhere and if somebody would ask me I'd think the environment you portray would be very rare

Maybe it is time to stand up against such behavior by kids. Its been done before. Adults and the schools can do a lot.

[bobblehead]

NOW, I grant that you may be correct that todays kids don't care and its more acceptable to them, just as inter racial marriage is more acceptable to our generation, and if you are right, when those kids get older and dominate the legislature and voting block the law will reflect it, and I will be fine with it then.

Laws against interracial marriage didn't change because the voters and legislators changed their minds. The laws changed because the courts struck them down. I suspect those laws would have hung on for another 30 years in some states without intervention by the courts.

People put politicians and judges in place, and the judges and politicians they put in place tend to reflect their views...and again, i was more referring to adoption which interacial couples weren't afforded back in the day.

[bobblehead]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

In my area there would be harrassment everywhere and if somebody would ask me I'd think the environment you portray would be very rare

Maybe it is time to stand up against such behavior by kids. Its been done before. Adults and the schools can do a lot.

Todays liberals are making it nearly impossible to spank your kid for being naughty, what kind of "stand up" were you thinking? Not that I am disagreeing with you, I think its a parents responsibility to teach a kid NOT to tease and/or harass and I think a parent should be held responsible for their kids behavior. Problem is we live in the nanny state, and its ever harder to actually discipline a kid.

[Partial]

My main beef with two men raising a child is the child doesn't have any say in the matter.

I have very mixed feelings on the subject here, so not getting involved. Just wanted to point out something about the above statement. A child also has no say in the matter if the parents are alcoholics, drug addicts, abusers...... Lots of dysfunctional parents fly under the radar of authorities and the children learn that behavior from day one.

I agree, but in the case of adoption those people would never be allowed to adopt.

[Partial]

I don't remember if your little ones are old enough for school, but check out the kids. I think you're remembering from when you were in school, but it's a different wold and they're different people than we were. To be honest, before I saw it for myself, I'd have probably shared your opinion, but apparently it only matters to them if we make a big-ass deal about it.

I was in Elementary school as recently as 12 years ago, and in my day kids in elementary and middle school, and even early high schoolers, would probably make life hell for the kid.

[MJZiggy]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

In my area there would be harrassment everywhere and if somebody would ask me I'd think the environment you portray would be very rare

Maybe it is time to stand up against such behavior by kids. Its been done before. Adults and the schools can do a lot.

Todays liberals are making it nearly impossible to spank your kid for being naughty, what kind of "stand up" were you thinking? Not that I am disagreeing with you, I think its a parents responsibility to teach a kid NOT to tease and/or harass and I think a parent should be held responsible for their kids behavior. Problem is we live in the nanny state, and its ever harder to actually discipline a kid.

You can instill one HELL of a lot of discipline into a kid without hitting him. It just takes a little imagination, but that's a whole other topic.

[3irty1]

I generally think that anyone who wants to adopt a child is doing it for the right reason. A loving home I feel is more important for a child than is not being teased at school.

I'm not too keen on the marriage thing though. Marriage is disrespected in this country enough as it is. If its that important to them they can find a place to get married. People say they wouldn't be hurting anyone by getting married but I say they aren't getting hurt by not being allowed to.

[Deputy Nutz]

Gays shouldn't be allowed to marry or adopt kids, but if they want to live together that is their business.

Why, do they have some kind of disease?

I think gays raising children in this country is the least of our worries, but go on concerning yourself about gays raising children above all the fatherless children out there, and all the children that are sexually and physically abused by fathers. Gee, I don't know what is worse.

I've always been right in line with gays shouldn't get to raise children or adopt simply because it exposes children to ridicule at school, things too big for young children to understand, and an unnatural environment. I don't think pointing out bigger problems in other areas is an arguement FOR exposing children to this.

That being said, I am all for civil unions, if John and Bob want to build a life together they should be afforded all the rights of a married couple. To allow them to MARRY is to change the definition of the word, and marriage is founded in church, so I respect that side of it.

I guess my wife and I are not "married" because we were wed outside of any religious ceremony. Great! I guess you should be the one to tell her that, I am not.

So you are against giving a child a loving home because he will be made fun of? Maybe they should only allow gay couples to wed and raise children in New England States where making fun of someone is illegal.

How loving can a home be if the child resents the hell out of his two parents for the choices that they made?

Homosexual is not natural. I don't have a problem with it, but to think marriage should be allowed is ridiculous. Marriage started out as a religious ceremony.

a Homosexual couple should not be able to raise children because it teaches them the wrong message. Then again, with 50+% of families divorced I guess the right message has been blown out of the water long ago.

Why didn't you get married in a church?

Who says it is not natural? Do think other guys just want to ream each other's asses for a good time? I am not going to get into the biological vers nurture agrument with you but your ideas about the subject are all opinion based. It is the same as Tarlam telling me that, "it just isn't right".

Regardless if Partial believes that it is unnatural or not the fact is that they are grown adults that want to raise a child. Take sexual orientation out of it for a moment, then think about two people of the same sex, that are most likely very successful in their employment, well adjusted people, cultured, and have provided a stable environment for a child. Would you turn them down without factoring in their sexual preference?

[Deputy Nutz]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

In my area there would be harrassment everywhere and if somebody would ask me I'd think the environment you portray would be very rare

Like I said, out East it is illegal to tease.

[Deputy Nutz]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

In my area there would be harrassment everywhere and if somebody would ask me I'd think the environment you portray would be very rare

Understood, but do you really think a gay couple would want to raise a kid in that area, knowing how people think and how they would act towards their kid? Most gay couple try to live in a more socially liberal environment.

[Deputy Nutz]

My main beef with two men raising a child is the child doesn't have any say in the matter.

I have very mixed feelings on the subject here, so not getting involved. Just wanted to point out something about the above statement. A child also has no say in the matter if the parents are alcoholics, drug addicts, abusers...... Lots of dysfunctional parents fly under the radar of authorities and the children learn that behavior from day one.

I agree, but in the case of adoption those people would never be allowed to adopt.

How do you know? See Partial what you fail to realize that not very many gay couples that want to adopt have the opportunity to adopt American children, most cases they go to other countries to adopt. Like the above post people that have certain dysfunction in life do well in some cases to hide it. Shit they usually don't all they have to do is have sex and pop out a kid that they can mistreat, and undervalue.

[Zool]

First time a gay dude shits out a kid, let them adopt. Not before.

[Bretsky]

Ok, B. Let me clarify. Not one of them cared enough to say something to the kid in question which seems to be what everyone is worried about, isn't it? This is a happy, well adjusted kid we're talking about here which people are insinuating would be difficult to do under the burden of all of this (nonexistent) harassment from 500 kids who have never cared enough to say a word about it.

In my area there would be harrassment everywhere and if somebody would ask me I'd think the environment you portray would be very rare

Like I said, out East it is illegal to tease.

YUP

dem backward ass Easteners have the no tease rule

[Deputy Nutz]

First time a gay dude shits out a kid, let them adopt. Not before.

Well if this doesn't seal the argument for the anti-adoption crowd I don't know what will.

What if just a guy wants to adopt a kid, without a woman. Crazy I know but whats the difference though? It is not natural for a single man to raise a child he didn't conceive.