Shoot um up

[SkinBasket]

Why the fuck would I compare what Joe Horn did to shooting teenagers stealing beer? Because you decided that somehow these two things are tangentially comparable?

I really don't know why deadly force would be justified when you see illegal immigrants prowling around your neighbors yard with loot, but then not justified if you see teens stealing beer. You may see them as drastically different situations, OK, explain how they are different.

Of course they're completely the same... when you ignore as many important details as you do to render the situations comparable. That's your bag though. Ignore what doesn't fit your opinion and blow everything else out of proportion so that now we have a virtual legion of dead teens at the hands of Joe Horn.

Why not just make it babies stealing beer? Or puppies? Maybe retarded baby puppies? That's the effect your going for after all. Might as well go all the way.

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder if any of those people that are so cool with allowing people to kill in non-self-defense situations also oppose abortion out of their high respect for human life.

Were these unborn babies stealing beer?

[Scott Campbell]

You may think that the kid entering the home at night was reason enough to kill, I don't.

The homeowner has no obligation to conduct an investigation to determine whether the home intrusion was going to end harmlessly, or in the death of said homeowner. It's reasonable to shoot first and ask questions later during a home invasion, because you are reasonably in a kill or be killed situation. Just ask Sean Taylor who was killed by a kid in a home invasion. And that's exactly why the law of this land will excuse these kinds of things as justifiable self defense.

Is it sad? Hell ya. But that homeowner didn't kill that kid - Darwin did.

[Scott Campbell]

I thought the evidence that Joe went huntin was pretty clear.

If it were pretty clear, he would have at the very least been indicted. But they didn't even indict the guy.

[Scott Campbell]

I really don't know why deadly force would be justified when you see illegal immigrants prowling around your neighbors yard with loot, but then not justified if you see teens stealing beer.

Oh look, more race baiting. Such a lovely debate tactic.

[SkinBasket]

I thought the evidence that Joe went huntin was pretty clear.

If it were pretty clear, he would have at the very least been indicted. But they didn't even indict the guy.

Fortunately, Harlan doesn't let the evidence stand in the way of his evidence.

[Scott Campbell]

We don't execute shoplifters and car thieves.

I see. So if we don't agree with Harlan's righteous way of thinking, we must be for executing shoplifters.

Such a lovely debate tactic.

What's really funny is how you act like it's so mysterious that people attack you personally. Gee - I wonder why?

[mraynrand]

Is it sad? Hell ya. But that homeowner didn't kill that kid - Darwin did.

I always thought Darwin had the look of a killer.

[mraynrand]

I thought the evidence that Joe went huntin was pretty clear.

If it were pretty clear, he would have at the very least been indicted. But they didn't even indict the guy.

Well, there was the curious way he was dressed...

[Harlan Huckleby]

Why the fuck would I compare what Joe Horn did to shooting teenagers stealing beer? Because you decided that somehow these two things are tangentially comparable?

I really don't know why deadly force would be justified when you see illegal immigrants prowling around your neighbors yard with loot, but then not justified if you see teens stealing beer. You may see them as drastically different situations, OK, explain how they are different.

Of course they're completely the same... when you ignore as many important details as you do to render the situations comparable. That's your bag though. Ignore what doesn't fit your opinion and blow everything else out of proportion so that now we have a virtual legion of dead teens at the hands of Joe Horn.

Why not just make it babies stealing beer? Or puppies? Maybe retarded baby puppies? That's the effect your going for after all. Might as well go all the way.

you are unwilling to have an intelligent conversation. you just resort to mockery, and never face the substance of the question.

darn you, Skinbasket!

I'll try again: you observe some teens stealing something out of your neighbor's garage. Is it OK to shoot them? you see what appears to be criminal-types stealing something out of your neighbors garage, is the situation any different?

[Harlan Huckleby]

If it were pretty clear, he would have at the very least been indicted. But they didn't even indict the guy.[/quote]

As Shannon Edmonds, a lobbyist for the Texas District and County Attorneys Association, put it: "There's an unwritten rule in Texas courthouses: It ain't against the law to kill a son of a bitch."

Looking Kindly on Vigilante Justice

[Harlan Huckleby]

The dirty little secret is that there is probably very little difference of opinion over the principles involved here. That is shown in the poll results.

Ya, there are a few people who said "go ahead and kill whenever you see ANY illegal activity", but those people are either: A) insincere wise guys, B) unimaginably stupid, or C) psychopathic killers. I'm guessing that most or all fall into category A.

If someone really believes that Joe acted in self-defense, then there is no disagreement on the issues. But I wonder if you believe this because you want to so badly. Just like the OJ jury bought the police conspiracy argument because they wanted so badly to believe.

For instance: Joe says he is going to "kill 'um" when he watches the Columbians crawling around next door. They aren;t any threat to him at that point. If you believe Joe was a self-defense guy, you must think he meant something different than what he said. By "kill" he meant "arrest" or "scare-off." I say you're full of it.

[SkinBasket]

you are unwilling to have an intelligent conversation.

Has it occurred to you that I don't think there's anything here to have an intelligent conversation about?

I'll try again: You see a wild dog mauling a baby, making the baby cry, so you shoot it. You see a puppy lick a baby, making the baby cry, so you shoot it. Is the situation any different? Oh I forgot, both babies, the dog, and the puppy are all in a garage full of beer. Oh, and the lights are florescent tubes. 40 watt. And there's a can of blue paint in the corner. Proceed...

[Harlan Huckleby]

ok. the comparisons are just a way to get at your fundamental position. If you don't like the comparisons, maybe you will just directly explain:

Under what circumstances do you think it is justified to used deadly force?

[Zool]

Under what circumstances do you think it is justified to used deadly force?

Every time someone starts an argument just for the sake of argument. Every person that makes an annoying radio or TV ad with retards yammering back and forth. Every time Bob and Tom laugh into their mic 3 times as loud as the comedian we are trying to listen to.