Shoot um up

[SkinBasket]

Under what circumstances do you think it is justified to used deadly force?

You're getting close.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ok, I won't press you to give serious answers in the future.

[twoseven]

You may think that the kid entering the home at night was reason enough to kill, I don't.

The homeowner has no obligation to conduct an investigation to determine whether the home intrusion was going to end harmlessly, or in the death of said homeowner. It's reasonable to shoot first and ask questions later during a home invasion, because you are reasonably in a kill or be killed situation. Just ask Sean Taylor who was killed by a kid in a home invasion. And that's exactly why the law of this land will excuse these kinds of things as justifiable self defense.

Is it sad? Hell ya. But that homeowner didn't kill that kid - Darwin did.

You better prove they were intending to and could have harmed you if you kill them, or it's you that may end up in jail. It's not so simple as they were in my home so I killed them.

Those that entered Taylor's home did so to ROB Taylor and were prepared to KILL IF NEED BE. It was PRE-MEDITATED, they planned it out ahead of time after casing his home at a party (?). They broke in WITH WEAPONS and WITH INTENT TO DO HARM. The kid I mentioned was sneaking around in the neighborhood 'haunted house' out of curiousity without weapons and without intent to rob or do harm. The old man shot him from a distance before the kid could do anything, I don't think the kid even knew what happend. No warning, no get the fuck out of my house-I have a gun, just a gunshot. These situations couldn't be more different. If Taylor saw them coming and blasted their ass like the old man did, it would have been perfectly ok and legal. Shooting an unarmed and unwary intruder is not the same.

It appears we differ in opinion, there's no need to go round and round. I know what I would do and you know what you would do. Fair enough.

[SkinBasket]

ok, I won't press you to give serious answers in the future.

You're not pressing anyone for serious answers. You're pressing for answers that fit your opinion, either in the affirmative or the negative.

[SkinBasket]

Shooting an unarmed and unwary intruder is not the same.

Unwary intruder? Is that like an accidental murderer? Or a naive rapist?

Once they break in, they are a threat and they are a criminal, regardless of how aware of their surroundings they are. Asking that home owners scout out the intruder to take an inventory of the intruder's arsenal or announce their presence and intentions to a criminal before defending themselves or their property is ridiculous. The "intruders" certainly don't seem to be under the same obligation you propose.

It seems your basing your opinions about this on a lot of information that was discovered after the fact, instead of what the homeowners knew at the terrifying moment someone discovers an intruder in their home in the middle of the night.

[twoseven]

Shooting an unarmed and unwary intruder is not the same.

Unwary intruder? Is that like an accidental murderer? Or a naive rapist?

Once they break in, they are a threat and they are a criminal, regardless of how aware of their surroundings they are. Asking that home owners scout out the intruder to take an inventory of the intruder's arsenal or announce their presence and intentions to a criminal before defending themselves or their property is ridiculous. The "intruders" certainly don't seem to be under the same obligation you propose.

It seems your basing your opinions about this on a lot of information that was discovered after the fact, instead of what the homeowners knew at the terrifying moment someone discovers an intruder in their home in the middle of the night.

Do you own a gun? Have you ever shot and killed an animal? Would you kill someone if they broke in your home?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.

P.S. Sorry for stealing from the collection plate...i just really needed a rock. I'm sure you understand.

[Deputy Nutz]

Shooting an unarmed and unwary intruder is not the same.

Unwary intruder? Is that like an accidental murderer? Or a naive rapist?

Once they break in, they are a threat and they are a criminal, regardless of how aware of their surroundings they are. Asking that home owners scout out the intruder to take an inventory of the intruder's arsenal or announce their presence and intentions to a criminal before defending themselves or their property is ridiculous. The "intruders" certainly don't seem to be under the same obligation you propose.

It seems your basing your opinions about this on a lot of information that was discovered after the fact, instead of what the homeowners knew at the terrifying moment someone discovers an intruder in their home in the middle of the night.

Do you own a gun? Have you ever shot and killed an animal? Would you kill someone if they broke in your home?

I don't have a gun that I could technically use in an urban environment, nor would I want to even if someone broke into my home. I use it to hunt deer, and a 30-06 bullet would go through the intruder and into the neighbors house across the street. Honestly if someone broke into my house with my family present I would give them one warning to stop what they are doing and leave, otherwise they ain't leaving. I would lay down my own live in a heartbeat to protect my family, and the very least buy them some time until the law would come. I am not going to guess at the intentions of someone that has broken into my home.

[SkinBasket]

Do you own a gun? Have you ever shot and killed an animal? Would you kill someone if they broke in your home?

No. The wife doesn't want one around the kids.

Yes. I grew up on a farm.

I would try. And I wouldn't ask stupid questions first or shout, "Here I am! Kill me if that's what you're going to do! If not, then I kindly ask that you leave now! Please."

I'm already at enough of a disadvantage not knowing who they are or what they're carrying to worry if I'm going to be clubbing an "unwary intruder" to unconsciousness/death or someone looking to kill my kids and rape my wife after I'm dead because I was more concerned about the criminal's mental state and motivations than the lives of my family.

Maybe you want to pass a law that requires the homeowner to sneak up and hug the intruder before taking any other action? Just in case the intruder is just looking for a little snuggle. Don't want any hug seeking unwary intruders to accidentally be killed after all.

[twoseven]

Do you own a gun? Have you ever shot and killed an animal? Would you kill someone if they broke in your home?

No. The wife doesn't want one around the kids.

Yes. I grew up on a farm.

I would try. And I wouldn't ask stupid questions first or shout, "Here I am! Kill me if that's what you're going to do! If not, then I kindly ask that you leave now! Please."

I'm already at enough of a disadvantage not knowing who they are or what they're carrying to worry if I'm going to be clubbing an "unwary intruder" to unconsciousness/death or someone looking to kill my kids and rape my wife after I'm dead because I was more concerned about the criminal's mental state and motivations than the lives of my family.

Maybe you want to pass a law that requires the homeowner to sneak up and hug the intruder before taking any other action? Just in case the intruder is just looking for a little snuggle. Don't want any hug seeking unwary intruders to accidentally be killed after all.

I'm trying to have an honest conversation with you, if you want to act like a fucking prick, go right ahead. Whatever you might do in your own home, great. I thought I said as much in earlier posts, but don't fucking tell me how to act in mine. There isn't a how-to on how to handle this shit, and I am genuinely interested in what people think about it. For every person that is going to blast first and not care who or what they shoot, there are plenty of people that are going to handle it different. The law is fucked these days and defending your home can land your ass in jail if you don't handle it right, that's a fact. I have no intentions of spending any fucking time in jail because I didn't realize what my rights as a gun owner defending my home actually entail. If you want to continue mocking my opinions about this, go right ahead.

[texaspackerbacker]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.

P.S. Sorry for stealing from the collection plate...i just really needed a rock. I'm sure you understand.

Thank you for making my point, Tyrone. You can sit out on your front porch gunning down trespassers 'til the cows come home, and you won't find me in your sights or any other good normal Americans either.

What you will be doing is ridding the world of a bunch of trash that "needs killin'".

Twoseven, you also seem not to be able to grasp this concept that even though the punk victims in any of these cases and others like them may not have been doing direct harm to the good-hearted souls pulling the triggers, they are the kind of people who in the huge majority of cases, undoubtedly have already and would continue to do harm to true innocents. Putting them down prevents that, and if a tiny fraction happen to not be guilty-as-sin career criminals, well, that's where the term "acceptable losses" comes in.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Dear God,

It's tyrone again. Please allow one of Tex's neighbors to sell their house. Please allow said neighbor to make a nice profit.

Please god, allow tex to welcome me to the neighborhood uninvited.

yours in eternal devotion,
Tyrone

[SkinBasket]

Do you own a gun? Have you ever shot and killed an animal? Would you kill someone if they broke in your home?

No. The wife doesn't want one around the kids.

Yes. I grew up on a farm.

I would try. And I wouldn't ask stupid questions first or shout, "Here I am! Kill me if that's what you're going to do! If not, then I kindly ask that you leave now! Please."

I'm already at enough of a disadvantage not knowing who they are or what they're carrying to worry if I'm going to be clubbing an "unwary intruder" to unconsciousness/death or someone looking to kill my kids and rape my wife after I'm dead because I was more concerned about the criminal's mental state and motivations than the lives of my family.

Maybe you want to pass a law that requires the homeowner to sneak up and hug the intruder before taking any other action? Just in case the intruder is just looking for a little snuggle. Don't want any hug seeking unwary intruders to accidentally be killed after all.

I'm trying to have an honest conversation with you, if you want to act like a fucking prick, go right ahead. Whatever you might do in your own home, great. I thought I said as much in earlier posts, but don't fucking tell me how to act in mine. There isn't a how-to on how to handle this shit, and I am genuinely interested in what people think about it. For every person that is going to blast first and not care who or what they shoot, there are plenty of people that are going to handle it different. The law is fucked these days and defending your home can land your ass in jail if you don't handle it right, that's a fact. I have no intentions of spending any fucking time in jail because I didn't realize what my rights as a gun owner defending my home actually entail. If you want to continue mocking my opinions about this, go right ahead.

I'm not trying to tell you how to act in your home. If you want to declare where you are and what you intend to do, or as the case may be, not do, to someone who's broken into your home, that's your business.

This isn't about "blasting first." What happens first is that some fuck breaks into someone else's home, then someone shoots them. As far as I'm concerned, that's it. That's the end game. After that, all bets are off. I'm sorry I don't believe that once someone breaks into your home, they should be granted some special rights reserved only for home intruders. As far as I'm concerned, it's comparable to telling a woman that once her rapist has penetrated her, she must declare what steps she intends to take to stop said rape and ascertain whether her rapist intends to do her "real" harm before she uses force to stop him.

I guess I don't give a shit if killing or maiming a home intruder lands me in jail because I didn't properly ascertain what weapons the intruder was carrying or what their intentions were. As long as my family is kept as far from harm as possible, that's all that matters.

[Partial]

Do you own a gun? Have you ever shot and killed an animal? Would you kill someone if they broke in your home?

No. The wife doesn't want one around the kids.

Yes. I grew up on a farm.

I would try. And I wouldn't ask stupid questions first or shout, "Here I am! Kill me if that's what you're going to do! If not, then I kindly ask that you leave now! Please."

I'm already at enough of a disadvantage not knowing who they are or what they're carrying to worry if I'm going to be clubbing an "unwary intruder" to unconsciousness/death or someone looking to kill my kids and rape my wife after I'm dead because I was more concerned about the criminal's mental state and motivations than the lives of my family.

Maybe you want to pass a law that requires the homeowner to sneak up and hug the intruder before taking any other action? Just in case the intruder is just looking for a little snuggle. Don't want any hug seeking unwary intruders to accidentally be killed after all.

I'm trying to have an honest conversation with you, if you want to act like a fucking prick, go right ahead. Whatever you might do in your own home, great. I thought I said as much in earlier posts, but don't fucking tell me how to act in mine. There isn't a how-to on how to handle this shit, and I am genuinely interested in what people think about it. For every person that is going to blast first and not care who or what they shoot, there are plenty of people that are going to handle it different. The law is fucked these days and defending your home can land your ass in jail if you don't handle it right, that's a fact. I have no intentions of spending any fucking time in jail because I didn't realize what my rights as a gun owner defending my home actually entail. If you want to continue mocking my opinions about this, go right ahead.

I'm not trying to tell you how to act in your home. If you want to declare where you are and what you intend to do, or as the case may be, not do, to someone who's broken into your home, that's your business.

This isn't about "blasting first." What happens first is that some fuck breaks into someone else's home, then someone shoots them. As far as I'm concerned, that's it. That's the end game. After that, all bets are off. I'm sorry I don't believe that once someone breaks into your home, they should be granted some special rights reserved only for home intruders. As far as I'm concerned, it's comparable to telling a woman that once her rapist has penetrated her, she must declare what steps she intends to take to stop said rape and ascertain whether her rapist intends to do her "real" harm before she uses force to stop him.

I guess I don't give a shit if killing or maiming a home intruder lands me in jail because I didn't properly ascertain what weapons the intruder was carrying or what their intentions were. As long as my family is kept as far from harm as possible, that's all that matters.

echoed for an excellent post

[Harlan Huckleby]

ok, I won't press you to give serious answers in the future.

You're not pressing anyone for serious answers. You're pressing for answers that fit your opinion, either in the affirmative or the negative.

I don't have any idea what this means.

Tex is the only Warrior for Joe Horn who has been willing to talk about when he thinks deadly force is justified. The rest of the Warriors just use sarcasm & mockery, and beat their chests in a display of manhood.

I don't know, because they aren't talkin, but my guess is that most of the Joe Hornies base their opinion on emotion & prejudice. In other words, killing somebody is right when it feels right. And they don't want to leave their comfort zone and think any more about it.