Shoot um up

[Harlan Huckleby]

The grand jury did it's job in the case of Joe Horn...the new Texas castle laws protect that type of action whether you believe it was justified or not.

maybe so. But any law that lets you shoot thieves in the back as they are fleeing ain't right.

[Deputy Nutz]

The grand jury did it's job in the case of Joe Horn...the new Texas castle laws protect that type of action whether you believe it was justified or not.

maybe so. But any law that lets you shoot thieves in the back as they are fleeing ain't right.

come on, you are going back to the fleeing card? Criminal charges realizes man has a shotgun, starts to cut, gets blasted.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Why the fuck would I compare what Joe Horn did to shooting teenagers stealing beer? Because you decided that somehow these two things are tangentially comparable?

I really don't know why deadly force would be justified when you see illegal immigrants prowling around your neighbors yard with loot, but then not justified if you see teens stealing beer. You may see them as drastically different situations, OK, explain how they are different.

twoseven just gave reasonable and thoughtful opinion.

He's no smarter than you, well, not much smarter. you can do it too!

[Harlan Huckleby]

The grand jury did it's job in the case of Joe Horn...the new Texas castle laws protect that type of action whether you believe it was justified or not.

maybe so. But any law that lets you shoot thieves in the back as they are fleeing ain't right.

come on, you are going back to the fleeing card? Criminal charges realizes man has a shotgun, starts to cut, gets blasted.

I think you'd have to be there to know for sure, that's true. If he did act in self defense, I got no problem with it.

Joe left the house with the intent to kill, after seeing the guys on his neighbors property. He shot both the guys in the back as they were running away, and both continued to stagger away after they were hit. I can't say for sure, but self-defense doesn't sound likely.

[texaspackerbacker]

And you'd give the benefit of the doubt to the criminal over the homeowner?

[Harlan Huckleby]

And you'd give the benefit of the doubt to the criminal over the homeowner?

No, actually I would give the benefit of the doubt to the homeowner. I thought the evidence that Joe went huntin was pretty clear. He said he was gonna kill um before he went outside, and he even recited to the dispatcher the Texas law code that allowed him to do so! The dispatcher let him know that the police were about to arrive on the scene, but he insisted on shooting them.

That's not right, we should allow killing only where it is necessary for protection.

[texaspackerbacker]

I say more power to him. The punks "needed killin'".

Why does it bother you so much that a couple of lowlifes like that got terminated and prevented from harming anybody else in the future?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Why does it bother you so much that a couple of lowlifes like that got terminated and prevented from harming anybody else in the future?

Their death doesn't bother me a bit. IT was for the best, I'm sure those guys were gonna cause more harm to people.

That's the practical side.

But there's also principle. We shouldn't legalize murder, our system of justice is important. And its wrong to take human life unnecesarrily. And maybe the next time the people that get executed will turn out to be not so criminal.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's not a question of newly legalizing something (although I am curious about those Texas "castle laws" that Freakout mentioned). It's time honored tradition, and indeed Common Law.

On top of that, I think it falls well within the "morally OK" zone of the huge majority of people--even if you aren't one of them.

[Harlan Huckleby]

On top of that, I think it falls well within the "morally OK" zone of the huge majority of people--even if you aren't one of them.

I wonder if any of those people that are so cool with allowing people to kill in non-self-defense situations also oppose abortion out of their high respect for human life.

[texaspackerbacker]

You don't draw a distinction between INNOCENT victims and CRIMINALS?

[Harlan Huckleby]

You don't draw a distinction between INNOCENT victims and CRIMINALS?

everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law in America.

and if you don't agree with this American value, maybe you understand the notion embedded in our culture that punishment should fit the crime. We don't execute shoplifters and car thieves.

[texaspackerbacker]

You don't draw a distinction between INNOCENT victims and CRIMINALS?

everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law in America.

and if you don't agree with this American value, maybe you understand the notion embedded in our culture that punishment should fit the crime. We don't execute shoplifters and car thieves.

Actually, no. Everyone is PRESUMED to be innocent. What they actually are is what they actually are at the time the deed is done.

Car thieves have been known to be "executed" summarily by car owners with guns and a mean streak. I say that's a good thing. The only reason the same isn't true of shoplifters is because big businesses are customarily held to a higher standard of due diligence than individuals. Let some small time convenience store owner with a gun under his counter spot some shop lifter scooting out the door, and you'll see a nifty little justified killing there too--and if the law doesn't allow it, a jury of his peers will. I guaran-damn-tee it.

[twoseven]

I say more power to him. The punks "needed killin'".

Why does it bother you so much that a couple of lowlifes like that got terminated and prevented from harming anybody else in the future?

What HARM did they do him that deserved KILLING? How did he ID these individuals as deserving of this fate, did he figure ot they needed to die by merely looking at them as they were running away? If it was nighttime how good of a look did he get, they could have been stupid kids dicking around. Hypothetically, if these were some kids being stupid all he did was shoot some kids in the back for no good reason. They could have been friggin neighbor kids.. a similar incident happened in MN not too long ago, an old coot shot and killed and intruder WHO DID NOT HAVE A WEAPON and DID NOT THREATEN THE OLD MAN and he killed him, it turned out to be a neighbor kid who meant to harm and was being young and stupid entering his home at night. You may think that the kid entering the home at night was reason enough to kill, I don't. You may also think that none of your kids, none of your neighbor kids, or no kids period that you know of would ever do something young and stupid like enteringt someone's home out of curiousity or on a dare. Good for you if that's your world, I know good kids that still do stupid shit from time to time. I hardly see this as a reason to shoot them. In the end, if said person has no weapon, does not threaten me, and runs away from me if I prodcue a gun..for all that is still sane in this world, why the fuck would I then try to kill them? Back to Horn..that they didn't threaten him with a weapon AND turned and ran away is exactly the reason he should NOT have shot them. Being pissed off and/or scared, while not actually being threatend with deadly force, is NOT good enough reason to take a life, regardless of what you may think of the person who's life you are taking. Unless you've actually been in a position to take someon's life, especially someone without a weapon that is trying to run away from you, how in the hell do you know what you'd do? Eastwood said it well in The Unforgiven..'it's a hell of a thing, killng a man. You take away all they are, all that they'll ever be..' Real life ain't a damn video game where you can hit the reset button.

[mraynrand]

a similar incident happened in MN not too long ago, an old coot shot and killed and intruder WHO DID NOT HAVE A WEAPON and DID NOT THREATEN THE OLD MAN and he killed him, it turned out to be a neighbor kid who meant to harm and was being young and stupid entering his home at night.

If you don't want to get shot dead, stay out of old people's homes at night when you aren't invited. I can say with 100% confidence that had that kid not entered the old man's house, the old man wouldn't have shot him.