Shoot um up

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm saying that it is rather easy to distinguish Partial (sorry, dude) from a member of a Columbian crime ring. I can guarantee you the Columbian will act with more purpose, confidence and in likely a more aggressive manner. If Partial is stealing beer and then comes into my yard approaching me, then it's my call and he's an idiot for not listening to someone with a shotgun telling him to freeze.

How do you know the "columbian crime ring" guys aren't just stupid pool cleaners stealing from a client?

Would you feel justified in shooting Partial for stealing beer? Why or why not? Should you go to jail for doing it?

[MJZiggy]

When the stupid pool cleaners come onto my property and ignore me when I say "freeze," they (and Partial) become target practice. Moot point anyway, I keep dogs not guns. They make the decisions for me. But if I had a gun, I have the right to defend myself and my property. If they came onto his property, he was justified in defending himself.

No, I'm not going to shoot them over beer if they're walking away (ok, maybe a shot in the ass to give them something to think about), but my impression was that this is not what happened. The fact is that the grand jury chose not to indict. This means that whatever defense he gave was credible.

[mraynrand]

What happens a lot with these types of stories is that people sit and discuss in the comfort of their safe living rooms and speculate on how much force was necessary, whether you should wait for the cops etc. But how many have actually had to confront criminals? How the hell do you know if they're a first time kid, a hardened criminal, or a Jean Valjean type, desperately trying to save themselves or their family. The point is you don't know and if you take time for sympathy, you might end up dead yourself. You might anyway. You could also kill a pretty minor criminal too, and feel regret and/or suffer PTSD the rest of your life. All those things happen. But you just don't know.

An example. My uncle is a cop in northern Wisconsin. Often, they get Chicago crooks coming up who target a specific item - dirt bikes, DVRs, etc. And actually fill a van with the stuff. On a routine traffic stop for speeding, my uncle pulls over a Ryder van with a young guy (maybe 20-25ish) wearing a college baseball cap, clean-shaven. Guy talks to my Uncle, tells him he's a student returning from college with his stuff, gives him his license, and as my uncle returns to the squad car to run the license, he pull a gun and starts shooting. My uncle is lucky and isn't hit - gets back to his squad car, and starts shooting from behind his door. After exchanging fire for several minutes - with reloading, the 'kid' finally stops shooting. Backup arrives - they find the van stuffed with stolen shit and they check out the 'kid' - my uncle shot him 12 times. 11 fucking times and the guy was still alive and shooting. Turns out he was a first time offender. Nice kid. Good grades.

[Scott Campbell]

Actually Scott has a point here.

LOL


You say this like its the first time ever!

[MJZiggy]

Sounds like a therapist's dream. How has your uncle handled it? What'd the kid try to shoot the cop for? He likely wouldn't have spent that much time in Ripon.

[mraynrand]

Actually Scott has a point here.

LOL


You say this like its the first time ever!

With 6431 posts, the law of averages says that you must at least have had one point.

[Scott Campbell]

Perhaps the dudes had the right to due process........

I don't think they had any right to due process during the commission of the crime. If they had been safely apprehended, then they'd deserve due process.

[Scott Campbell]

Actually Scott has a point here.

LOL


You say this like its the first time ever!

With 6431 posts, the law of averages says that you must at least have had one point.

So what you're saying is, keep an eye out for post #12,862 - my next gem.

[Zool]

Actually Scott has a point here.

LOL


You say this like its the first time ever!

With 6431 posts, the law of averages says that you must at least have had one point.

So what you're saying is, keep an eye out for post #12,862 - my next gem.

I think I'll set the over/under at 9700.

[SkinBasket]

Again, you fail to acknowledge that he had a choice..he put himself in danger.

I think this is where the hiding in the closet comments come from. Some felon comes along and says, "I'm taking your neighbor/friend's shit. Now fuck off before I take your shit." Joe Horn says, "Like fuck you are." You say, "OK. I'll be in the closet. Please just don't hurt me."

People who wouldn't hide in the closet tend to be somewhat repulsed by the closet crowd. It's nothing personal and probably has a lot to do with the flight/fight response, which may or may not correlate roughly to the tendency to be conservative or republican on gun issues.

[Harlan Huckleby]

When the stupid pool cleaners come onto my property and ignore me when I say "freeze," they (and Partial) become target practice.

The pool cleaner doesn't speak English. So he panics and runs away. Do you shoot him in the back like Joe Horn did?

The fact is that the grand jury chose not to indict. This means that whatever defense he gave was credible.

Or the jury was like some of the posters in this thread. Criminals deserve to be shot dead.

[Scott Campbell]

I'm taking the over.

[Scott Campbell]

When the stupid pool cleaners come onto my property and ignore me when I say "freeze," they (and Partial) become target practice.

The pool cleaner doesn't speak English. So he panics and runs away. Do you shoot him in the back like Joe Horn did?

What was he wearing? Sprinting, or just jogging?

[MJZiggy]

When the stupid pool cleaners come onto my property and ignore me when I say "freeze," they (and Partial) become target practice.

The pool cleaner doesn't speak English. So he panics and runs away. Do you shoot him in the back like Joe Horn did?

The fact is that the grand jury chose not to indict. This means that whatever defense he gave was credible.

Or the jury was like some of the posters in this thread. Criminals deserve to be shot dead.

As to the pool cleaner, ALTA! Besides, I'm not yelling stop if he's running away. I'm yelling stop and no if he's approaching. Most of the world's people (especially those in my neighborhood (and in Texas) know the word no. Maybe they feel criminals in the act and posing as a threat need to be shot.

I still feel guilty about accidentally running over a squirrel in 1991. I think Mr. Horn, having already expressed remorse, will have this on his mind for a while and have plenty of time to think about what he's done.

[Scott Campbell]

You say, "OK. I'll be in the closet. Please just don't hurt me."

Yeah, you think it's safe in the dark closet. Until you realize Harlan is already in there when he whispers "hold me". I'd rather take my chances with the Columbians.