Fatties banned

[SkinBasket]

Transfats were not put into food to make them taste better.

They were put in so that they could produce the food cheaper without losing flavor

As far as costs go, you're talking about global companies replacing an ingredient in a staple item that can use the whole media and politician created phobia of trans fat to their advantage. I'm talking about the kind of people mentioned in the article. Restaurant owners mainly.

There's lots of shit out there that isn't good for you if you ingest too much of it. Maybe we should stop selling tylenol OTC just to be safe that everyone is safe from themselves. Or we could ask that people be accountable to themselves.

[MJZiggy]

Transfats were not put into food to make them taste better.

They were put in so that they could produce the food cheaper without losing flavor

As far as costs go, you're talking about global companies replacing an ingredient in a staple item that can use the whole media and politician created phobia of trans fat to their advantage. I'm talking about the kind of people mentioned in the article. Restaurant owners mainly.

There's lots of shit out there that isn't good for you if you ingest too much of it. Maybe we should stop selling tylenol OTC just to be safe that everyone is safe from themselves. Or we could ask that people be accountable to themselves.

There are tons of foods out there that aren't good for you if you ingest too much. The problem with trans fat is that you don't have to ingest much of it for it to do damage. They don't just put it in junk food, it was everywhere, anything that was baked or cooked in oil. So what is your basic coronary disease patient supposed to butter their bread with if they can't have the cholesterol in butter and didn't even know that the trans fats in margarine were worse? How's he supposed to go out and eat when he doesn't know if the restaurant is filling his plate with stuff he's not allowed to have in order to save a quick buck? Restaurants cooked without hydrogenated oils for eons and did fine. They will do fine now--and your food will taste just fine. Trust me, they will go back to the old Twinkie recipe and you'll be able to kill yourself just as effectively with them. But leave the food that's not Twinkies out of that equation.

And it's not a media and political started concern. The concern started with the medical field if I recall.

[GBRulz]

I don't understand the offense here, people. It's not like your grandma was cooking with transfats to make your birthday cake taste good when you were little. They're caused by chemical additives in your food and they are horrible for you. Didn't you notice that as soon as they noticed how wretched the things were and started making companies put them on the nutrition labels that all the foodmakers started touting their removal? That's even without banning them, but the restaurants were still able to use them without telling you about it. I don't see a problem with making my restaurant use real food without chemical additives like the MSG that I'm overly sensitive to. Can't you just make the food with flavor from the get-go?

That reminds me of a topic they were discussing on the ManCow show about a month or so ago. It was a farm family who always gave their kids whole milk, butter, beef, etc...basically everything they raised themselves on the farm. The kids were healthy, not overweight, etc.

Then the kids went off to school and once they started eating the school food, skim milk, low fat this and that, they started gaining considerable weight.

So, I agree with your post about MSG's and additives added to preserve food as a huge reason for obesity in children. I guess one can even go so far as to really wonder if it's some kind of government conspiracy. Because once you get sick or whatever, there is some kind of pill out there from those prescription drug companies that can be prescribed to you in an instant.

[MJZiggy]

I agree with you about the nutrition part (ok, maybe not the govt. conspiracy) but the flip side is to remember that on the farm, the kids probably had active chores in tending to their future dinners.

That said, I still prefer my food to be less "screwed around with." Had they just stuck to soybean oil without screwing with it, we wouldn't even be talking about this. (then again eventually they'd have figured out that soy is a natural estrogen...)

[GBRulz]

Yeah I know the gov't conspiracy thing is a little off, although it does make you go hmm....

One of my friends lost SO much weight by simply switching to 100% all natural foods. If she eats meat, it's all organic.

I know alot of the reason why kids are overweight is due to lack of activity, but I strongly believe that thing things that are added to food has alot to do with it as well.

I grew up drinking soda, eating junk food, etc and didn't put on weight until my late 20's. I was considerably less active...that makes a huge difference, I agree.

[bobblehead]

If gov't is going to pay for healthcare obviously they have a right to control what you eat. I mean, should my tax dollars go to pay for someone who doesn't take care of their body? I personally think that with national healthcare we should also have a fat tax....If your BMI is too high you have to pay so much per point. It is the logical conclusion.

[bobblehead]

I don't understand the offense here, people. It's not like your grandma was cooking with transfats to make your birthday cake taste good when you were little. They're caused by chemical additives in your food and they are horrible for you. Didn't you notice that as soon as they noticed how wretched the things were and started making companies put them on the nutrition labels that all the foodmakers started touting their removal? That's even without banning them, but the restaurants were still able to use them without telling you about it. I don't see a problem with making my restaurant use real food without chemical additives like the MSG that I'm overly sensitive to. Can't you just make the food with flavor from the get-go?

That reminds me of a topic they were discussing on the ManCow show about a month or so ago. It was a farm family who always gave their kids whole milk, butter, beef, etc...basically everything they raised themselves on the farm. The kids were healthy, not overweight, etc.

Then the kids went off to school and once they started eating the school food, skim milk, low fat this and that, they started gaining considerable weight.

So, I agree with your post about MSG's and additives added to preserve food as a huge reason for obesity in children. I guess one can even go so far as to really wonder if it's some kind of government conspiracy. Because once you get sick or whatever, there is some kind of pill out there from those prescription drug companies that can be prescribed to you in an instant.

This was my point way back in the vitamin thread. Eat whole natural foods as nature made them and you will be fine. I'm not even a big organic freak, but it doesn't hurt with soft skinned items or loose leaf items...things like bananas and oranges though....pointless.

[MJZiggy]

Actually, I've always thought that the obese and morbidly obese should pay more for health coverage.

[bobblehead]

Actually, I've always thought that the obese and morbidly obese should pay more for health coverage.

they do in the open market, try being a 5' 10" 300 pounder and buying a private plan....not gonna happen.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Here is a funny, little story for you regarding fat and insurance/coverage.

Ty was working at BCBS headquarters in Jax. Ty could not believe the # of morbidly obese working at an insurance company. Every meeting that had food had bad food for you...donuts, pastries...even the bagels came with the worst of the cream cheeses, etc.

Anyway, Ty would always wonder why they couldn't have something healthy...fruit, etc. Something that didn't contribute to people getting fat..and when you eat crappy food and sit around at your job..you are going to get fat.

Anyway, provided in coverage for most plans is gastric bypass..you know, the surgery to help you lose weight. And, it was available to BCBS employees as well.

But, so many had it..and so many regained the weight that BCBS had to cut that from their own coverage.

Irony at it's finest.

[texaspackerbacker]

Transfats were not put into food to make them taste better. They were put in so that they could produce the food cheaper without losing flavor, considerations of your health be damned. Skin, have you not noticed that the foods which are suddenly trans fat free do not automatically double in price? Margarine comes to mind as the first obvious example. As soon as they said not to use it because it was full of trans fat, it suddenly became trans fat free and at the same price it was before.

Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Retain the flavor without raising the cost? That sounds like a good idea to me.

It's like MSG, which the damned whiners and regulators have been complaining about too--it makes stuff last longer without going bad--at a reasonable price--so the troublemakers (notice I abstained from saying "leftist anti-American" troublemakers--want to ban it.

The price thing is NOT necessarily true either. My favorite Lay's potato chips went way up when they complied with the anti-trans-fat idiocy.

I'm not going to make a judgment whether it is merely do-gooder fools or whether it is people actually TRYING to make life less pleasant for good normal Americans, but the effect is the same.

[MJZiggy]

Actually, I did have that wrong. The purpose of adding hydrogen to the oils was to give the product a longer shelf life. Doesn't actually affect flavor.

My problem with MSG is that they add it to food without telling you and I have a definite reaction to it.

And you'll pay for having them in there with increased healthcare payouts for uninsured and elderly because no one announces that they have them on the menu--and how long do we really need your restaurant food to keep anyway?

Trans fats occur naturally in small amounts in meat and dairy products. Most trans fats are created when vegetable oil is treated with hydrogen to create baked and fried goods with a longer shelf life.

Stephen Joseph, a Tiburon attorney who was a consultant to New York City in developing its ban, said trans fat is a larger health risk than saturated fat because it reduces so-called good cholesterol.

A 2006 review of trans fat studies by the New England Journal of Medicine concluded there was a strong connection between consumption of trans fats and heart disease. Studies also have linked trans fats to diabetes, obesity, infertility in women and some types of cancer.

Trans fats are like cigarettes, with no safe level of consumption, said Jeffrey Luther, a Long Beach doctor who is president of the California Academy of Family Physicians.

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[Harlan Huckleby]

trans fats really are horrible medically, they're beyond the pale.

Pastry chefs love trans fats because they keep a nice texture in thier baked goods, especially something like a scone or croissant, for 3 or 4 days.

umm, as far as personal choice, the problem is that's its just too hard to know whether that muffin at the airport deli has transfats or not.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

trans fats really are horrible medically, they're beyond the pale.

Pastry chefs love trans fats because they keep a nice texture in thier baked goods, especially something like a scone or croissant, for 3 or 4 days.

umm, as far as personal choice, the problem is that's its just too hard to know whether that muffin at the airport deli has transfats or not.

No self respecting pasty chef would sell a scone or croissant that is 3 or 4 days old.

Bakers and huge corps like them. Your corner patisserie ain't using trans fats.

[MJZiggy]

Well mine isn't. They're banned here.