Students Confess To Hanging Obama in Effigy

[GrnBay007]

off topic.....th87, I miss your old avatar.

Haha, I do too! I gotta find that picture. And I definitely have to meet that guy.

How's everything going with you?

Dang, I looked and can't find it.

....the coolest bald guy ever!!

Doing just fine here. Glad you found your way to PR!!

[mraynrand]

Yeah, it reveals that I'm not going to ignore evidence in hopes of exonerating these kids. I've enumerated everything we know above. Looks suspiciously similar to a lynching.

Your intellectual dishonesty is noted though.

I mentioned in my first post that I thought it could have been a simulated lynching. I have no intention of exonerating the kids. I am skeptical though, since there is very little information. As far as calling me dishonest, let me be refreshingly honest: fuck you.

[GrnBay007]

off topic came at an odd moment.

[texaspackerbacker]

In real lynchings, commonly used items included:

1. A tree.
2. A Black person.
3. A hanging instrument (i.e. a rope).
4. People who hate Black people.

In this "prank", items used included:

1. A tree.
2. A likeness of a Black person.
3. A hanging instrument.
4. A note attacking a policy related to Black people.

It's funny the dots are sooo hard to connect when it's conservatives in trouble.

The primary ingredient in a lynching is a DEATH. That seems to be lacking here.

[th87]

Yeah, it reveals that I'm not going to ignore evidence in hopes of exonerating these kids. I've enumerated everything we know above. Looks suspiciously similar to a lynching.

Your intellectual dishonesty is noted though.

I mentioned in my first post that I thought it could have been a simulated lynching. I have no intention of exonerating the kids. I am skeptical though, since there is very little information. As far as calling me dishonest, let me be refreshingly honest: fuck you.

I didn't call you dishonest. I said you are possessing intellectual dishonesty with respect to this situation, which ultimately is my opinion.

Based on your response, I am also of the opinion that you have a bit of a temper.

[th87]

In real lynchings, commonly used items included:

1. A tree.
2. A Black person.
3. A hanging instrument (i.e. a rope).
4. People who hate Black people.

In this "prank", items used included:

1. A tree.
2. A likeness of a Black person.
3. A hanging instrument.
4. A note attacking a policy related to Black people.

It's funny the dots are sooo hard to connect when it's conservatives in trouble.

The primary ingredient in a lynching is a DEATH. That seems to be lacking here.

Hence, a SIMULATED lynching.

[texaspackerbacker]

In real lynchings, commonly used items included:

1. A tree.
2. A Black person.
3. A hanging instrument (i.e. a rope).
4. People who hate Black people.

In this "prank", items used included:

1. A tree.
2. A likeness of a Black person.
3. A hanging instrument.
4. A note attacking a policy related to Black people.

It's funny the dots are sooo hard to connect when it's conservatives in trouble.

The primary ingredient in a lynching is a DEATH. That seems to be lacking here.

Hence, a SIMULATED lynching.

The REAL analogy worth considering--Moral Equivalency in action, to put it in terms a liberal understands--is your line about finding a wife naked in bed with another man. That situation often results in death without due process--which is as good a definition as any for lynching. The victims of lynchings--sometimes, but far from always, black (most of us first heard the term "lynching" in old western movies where the towns people hanged the murderer without waiting for the judge), generally had done something so heinous by community standards that they were deemed worthy of being offed without due process. The point being, the huge huge majority of black people who didn't do anything to deserve it--or at least draw attention to themselves--did NOT get lynched.

What can I say? I empathize a lot more with the lynchers than the lynchees. If some of you are on the other side of that perspective, so be it. It's merely two sides in a culture war in another place and another time. I suppose you guys empathize with the Indians at Wounded Knee instead of the thousands of victims of Indian massacres too. Whatever. I suppose you guys empathize with the bearded leftist scum in Chicago in 1968, too, instead of Mayor Daly's cops. Whatever. You probably even empathize more with the victims at My Lai instead of the troops who were frustrated by having buddies murdered by enemy who blended back in with civilians and got away with it.

ALL of these are similar examples of liberal Moral Equivalence on the one side as opposed to (in an effort to be fair and balanced) conservative Ethnocentricity.

To put it in football terms, remember that Packer D Lineman who made the obvious dirty hit on Jim McMahan, I think it was? You people would have been whining and ranting for sanctions AGAINST the Packer.

BTW, if you people had made an analogy between Cross Burning and the event in Oregon, I'd have no disagreement with you at all--symbolism over substance. But lynching? Nope. That's like comparing speeding to vehicular homicide.

[th87]

In real lynchings, commonly used items included:

1. A tree.
2. A Black person.
3. A hanging instrument (i.e. a rope).
4. People who hate Black people.

In this "prank", items used included:

1. A tree.
2. A likeness of a Black person.
3. A hanging instrument.
4. A note attacking a policy related to Black people.

It's funny the dots are sooo hard to connect when it's conservatives in trouble.

The primary ingredient in a lynching is a DEATH. That seems to be lacking here.

Hence, a SIMULATED lynching.

The REAL analogy worth considering--Moral Equivalency in action, to put it in terms a liberal understands--is your line about finding a wife naked in bed with another man. That situation often results in death without due process--which is as good a definition as any for lynching. The victims of lynchings--sometimes, but far from always, black (most of us first heard the term "lynching" in old western movies where the towns people hanged the murderer without waiting for the judge), generally had done something so heinous by community standards that they were deemed worthy of being offed without due process. The point being, the huge huge majority of black people who didn't do anything to deserve it--or at least draw attention to themselves--did NOT get lynched.

What can I say? I empathize a lot more with the lynchers than the lynchees. If some of you are on the other side of that perspective, so be it. It's merely two sides in a culture war in another place and another time. I suppose you guys empathize with the Indians at Wounded Knee instead of the thousands of victims of Indian massacres too. Whatever. I suppose you guys empathize with the bearded leftist scum in Chicago in 1968, too, instead of Mayor Daly's cops. Whatever. You probably even empathize more with the victims at My Lai instead of the troops who were frustrated by having buddies murdered by enemy who blended back in with civilians and got away with it.

ALL of these are similar examples of liberal Moral Equivalence on the one side as opposed to (in an effort to be fair and balanced) conservative Ethnocentricity.

To put it in football terms, remember that Packer D Lineman who made the obvious dirty hit on Jim McMahan, I think it was? You people would have been whining and ranting for sanctions AGAINST the Packer.

BTW, if you people had made an analogy between Cross Burning and the event in Oregon, I'd have no disagreement with you at all--symbolism over substance. But lynching? Nope. That's like comparing speeding to vehicular homicide.

Sounds suspiciously like blaming the rape victim. Did Emmett Till, for example, deserve to die like that?

Nobody was equating the scope of this Oregon event with an actual lynching. I was simply showing similarities to a lynching, which would make this appear to be a simulated lynching, which in turn implies that the event was racist (like lynchings were).

[texaspackerbacker]

In real lynchings, commonly used items included:

1. A tree.
2. A Black person.
3. A hanging instrument (i.e. a rope).
4. People who hate Black people.

In this "prank", items used included:

1. A tree.
2. A likeness of a Black person.
3. A hanging instrument.
4. A note attacking a policy related to Black people.

It's funny the dots are sooo hard to connect when it's conservatives in trouble.

The primary ingredient in a lynching is a DEATH. That seems to be lacking here.

Hence, a SIMULATED lynching.

The REAL analogy worth considering--Moral Equivalency in action, to put it in terms a liberal understands--is your line about finding a wife naked in bed with another man. That situation often results in death without due process--which is as good a definition as any for lynching. The victims of lynchings--sometimes, but far from always, black (most of us first heard the term "lynching" in old western movies where the towns people hanged the murderer without waiting for the judge), generally had done something so heinous by community standards that they were deemed worthy of being offed without due process. The point being, the huge huge majority of black people who didn't do anything to deserve it--or at least draw attention to themselves--did NOT get lynched.

What can I say? I empathize a lot more with the lynchers than the lynchees. If some of you are on the other side of that perspective, so be it. It's merely two sides in a culture war in another place and another time. I suppose you guys empathize with the Indians at Wounded Knee instead of the thousands of victims of Indian massacres too. Whatever. I suppose you guys empathize with the bearded leftist scum in Chicago in 1968, too, instead of Mayor Daly's cops. Whatever. You probably even empathize more with the victims at My Lai instead of the troops who were frustrated by having buddies murdered by enemy who blended back in with civilians and got away with it.

ALL of these are similar examples of liberal Moral Equivalence on the one side as opposed to (in an effort to be fair and balanced) conservative Ethnocentricity.

To put it in football terms, remember that Packer D Lineman who made the obvious dirty hit on Jim McMahan, I think it was? You people would have been whining and ranting for sanctions AGAINST the Packer.

BTW, if you people had made an analogy between Cross Burning and the event in Oregon, I'd have no disagreement with you at all--symbolism over substance. But lynching? Nope. That's like comparing speeding to vehicular homicide.

Sounds suspiciously like blaming the rape victim. Did Emmett Till, for example, deserve to die like that?

Nobody was equating the scope of this Oregon event with an actual lynching. I was simply showing similarities to a lynching, which would make this appear to be a simulated lynching, which in turn implies that the event was racist (like lynchings were).

"Nobody"? Try "all of the leftists in this forum".

I don't know who in the hell Emmett Till is. What do you see in my post that is remotely like "blaming rape victims"?

Arguably, the solid majority of lynchings WEREN'T even examples of racism. A solid minority, if not a majority weren't even black, and many of both black and white victims were merely examples of crime and over-zealous/premature punishment.

[MJZiggy]

[texaspackerbacker]

A black person murders or rapes a white person. A mob of white people catch the black person, ignore due process, and hang the black person from the nearest tree.

Is THAT "racism" to you, Ziggy? th87?, any of the rest of you leftists?

When I say "crime and over-zealous/premature punishment", that is what I mean.

[MJZiggy]

It depends. When a white person rapes or murders someone do they get hung from a tree or tried to be sure they're actually guilty of the crime first?

[texaspackerbacker]

It depends. When a white person rapes or murders someone do they get hung from a tree or tried to be sure they're actually guilty of the crime first?

In some cases ........ just like with black people.

And even if your example occurred more often, it's a matter of culture and community values--and I say again, I empathize with the lynchers more than the lynchees--apparently you don't, incredibly, not even with the rape victim.

[MJZiggy]

What if the lynch mob hangs some guy that his ex falsely accused. I am all for punishing rapists and murderers to the fullest extent of the law. I am also all for due process and hanging only the guilty parties.

[mraynrand]

What if the lynch mob hangs some guy that his ex falsely accused.

That would be bad, wouldn't it?