We Are One

[SkinBasket]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

Lincolnesque, hey?

Tom Hanks, an Executive Producer for HBO’s controversial polygamist series “Big Love,” made his feelings toward the Mormon Church’s involvement in California's Prop 8 (which prohibits gay marriage) very clear at the show’s premiere party on Wednesday night.

“The truth is this takes place in Utah, the truth is these people are some bizarre offshoot of the Mormon Church, and the truth is a lot of Mormons gave a lot of money to the church to make Prop-8 happen,” he told Tarts. “There are a lot of people who feel that is un-American, and I am one of them. I do not like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper, any of the 50 states in America, but here's what happens now. A little bit of light can be shed, and people can see who's responsible, and that can motivate the next go around of our self correcting Constitution, and hopefully we can move forward instead of backwards. So let's have faith in not only the American, but Californian, constitutional process.”...

Bill McKeever, a rep for the Mormonism Research Ministry, added, "Personally, I find it un-American to tell people that they shouldn’t vote their conscience. Hanks said he doesn’t 'like to see any discrimination codified on any piece of paper.' Considering that just about every law discriminates in some form or another, makes this comment ridiculous. Hanks’ comment shows that he very much believes in discriminating against people with whom he disagrees. I may not agree with Mormon theology, but I certainly defend their right to express their opinion."

Of course, a week later he issues an "apology" through his publicist, which makes it very sincere-like.

I'm sure Lincoln would be proud. Especially about the part where Hanks thinks we should continue voting on an issue until the desired result is reached, or as he and others in Minnesota call it, "moving forward."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

'Lincolnesque?'

Just how old are you?

PIP, sorry to ruin your day, but Lincoln, a Christian, a man of deep faith and prayer, would prefer SARAH PALIN to the ensemble mentioned above. Sarah Palin, the one you like to hate, that self-made success from hicksville Alaska, would have been loved by Lincoln, a genuine person.

Stop with this line of b.s.

Lincoln never joined a church nor ever made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs... Lincoln's friend Jesse Fell [suggested that Lincoln's views on Christian theology] were not orthodox: "on the innate depravity of man, the character and office of the great head of the Church, the Atonement, the infallibility of the written revelation, the performance of miracles, the nature and design of . . . future rewards and punishments . . . and many other subjects, he held opinions utterly at variance with what are usually taught in the church."

While he read the bible, he never said grace at meals, etc.

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

[Freak Out]

You know what Skin?.............not today.

Wasn't he supposed to leave with Bush? Oh...he has always been here.

[Fosco33]

I Am Many

[HarveyWallbangers]

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Some people suspect he turned back to religion later in life after close family members died.

[Joemailman]

You know what Skin?.............not today.
Today was good. Garth Brooks rocked. So did JT, Bono, The Boss,Tom Hanks, Denzel, old man Seeger and a kajillion others.
Not today.

Tom Hanks rocked?

In a Lincolnesque kind of way, yes he did.

'Lincolnesque?'

Just how old are you?

PIP, sorry to ruin your day, but Lincoln, a Christian, a man of deep faith and prayer, would prefer SARAH PALIN to the ensemble mentioned above. Sarah Palin, the one you like to hate, that self-made success from hicksville Alaska, would have been loved by Lincoln, a genuine person.

Stop with this line of b.s.

Lincoln never joined a church nor ever made a clear profession of standard Christian beliefs... Lincoln's friend Jesse Fell [suggested that Lincoln's views on Christian theology] were not orthodox: "on the innate depravity of man, the character and office of the great head of the Church, the Atonement, the infallibility of the written revelation, the performance of miracles, the nature and design of . . . future rewards and punishments . . . and many other subjects, he held opinions utterly at variance with what are usually taught in the church."

While he read the bible, he never said grace at meals, etc.

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Lincoln believed in God, but probably had not much use for organized religion.
This quote probably says something about Lincoln's thoughts on religion.

That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or any denomination of Christians in particular.

[mraynrand]

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Some people suspect he turned back to religion later in life after close family members died.

I have never met anyone with Marfan's Syndrome who wasn't religious.

[Little Whiskey]

I have never met anyone with Marfan's Syndrome who wasn't religious.

I've never met anyone with Marfan's Syndrome.

[packinpatland]

My favorite Lincoln quote:

"I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God."

[GrnBay007]

My favorite Lincoln quote:

"I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God."

Good one!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It is likely that Lincoln was turned against organized Christianity by his experiences as a young man in New Salem, Illinois, where excessive emotion and bitter sectarian quarrels marked yearly camp meetings and the ministry of traveling preachers.

Some people suspect he turned back to religion later in life after close family members died.

That could be true. I have no issue with that..or if he was.

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

[packinpatland]

In 1846 Lincoln said:

"That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular. … I do not think I could, myself, be brought to support a man for office whom I knew to be an open enemy of, and scoffer at, religion. Leaving the higher matter of eternal consequences between him and his Maker, I still do not think any man has the right thus to insult the feelings, and injure the morals, of the community in which he may live … "

[mraynrand]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

[SkinBasket]

But, to declare he was a "christian"...and all that that implies today is a massive fudging.

What does that imply?

The term "christian" isn't the same today as it was then.

You think Lincoln believed in the rapture, etc.

You think Lincoln believed in being "born again" or a personal relationship with Christ?

So, as usual, you want your definitions, perceptions, and prejudices to define the argument.