This guy looks like a moron now

[PlantPage55]

and I don't get the vitrole.

For me, it's the fact that Partial said that we have seen nothing from Rodgers that says he can be elite and that we should move on already because of it. He said that. That's going to cause vitriol.

[SkinBasket]

I respectfully disagree with Administrator concerning the "bashing" quoted. Most of us have been around each other for years. Asking that we all forget our history together kind of defeats the purpose of remaining together. If claiming another poster who has a history of holding his idea of moral authority over other poster's heads (no offense RG, that's simply how some view you) is on a high horse is "personal" then I don't think we're going to have any kind of discussion here that doesn't turn "personal" without everyone being logged in as "guest." Even then it wouldn't take more than a couple posts to have everyone sorted out. As a group, we're not terribly complicated communicators.

Similarly, most people here probably "jumped" on Partial's argument because he has a history of making some rather... er... strange claims and has tended to argue them in an unyielding and less than respectful manner regarding other poster's points of view. And there's nothing wrong with that. People talk football that way all the time. But he's built his own reputation here over the years, so that's how people will respond to him. Obviously the same goes for anyone here.

I'm assuming people keep coming back here because he have a diverse group of strong personalities and tangled relationships that weave through just about every discussion here and it keeps things interesting. Reading "I think Rodgers is already an awesome QB" is far less interesting than reading "I think Rodgers is already an awesome QB even if that crazy cootie Partial hates him." I'm all for people not being personally attacked. But I don't think we can equate mocking, barbing, or nettling a poster based on his or her history of posts to attacking the person making the posts - even if things become a little heated sometimes.

I can see coming down on people for throwing nasty curses around, but for simply referencing past discussions and differences of opinion? That seems kind of heavy handed. Not that my opinion matters, because the SkinBasket is a pervert. And I'm okay with that.

Although I do feel like Forum Utopia is materializing before our very eyes...

[retailguy]

I respectfully disagree with Administrator concerning the "bashing" quoted. Most of us have been around each other for years. Asking that we all forget our history together kind of defeats the purpose of remaining together. If claiming another poster who has a history of holding his idea of moral authority over other poster's heads (no offense RG, that's simply how some view you) is on a high horse is "personal" then I don't think we're going to have any kind of discussion here that doesn't turn "personal" without everyone being logged in as "guest." Even then it wouldn't take more than a couple posts to have everyone sorted out. As a group, we're not terribly complicated communicators.

Yeah, some view me that way. They don't want to hear that it isn't true. So they remain unconvinced. Don't really care any more. Those that have met me know that it isn't true, they've stated it, and no one cares. Can't admit wrong? Perhaps. Don't know them, don't care.

Same with Partial, and his detractors for that matter. Kind of the point that I was trying to get across in a way. We have opinions of them too.

I didn't take offense to your comment. Lord knows we've clashed and everyone one knows we don't particularly care for one another. I appreciate the "no offense" comment, FWIW.

I snipped the rest of your comment, but forum utopia isn't possible. We could probably stop personally insulting others, I'm trying to do that, but there are a few here who I'll never like. I'm sure that's true for you too.

I've made a couple of really good friends here. It was unexpected. I wasn't looking for that, I was just looking for good Packer talk. So, I'm on board with the changes, and we'll see where it goes.

I'm just happy that I'm not responsible for this anymore. Gladly leave that to others.

[cpk1994]

and I don't get the vitrole.

For me, it's the fact that Partial said that we have seen nothing from Rodgers that says he can be elite and that we should move on already because of it. He said that. That's going to cause vitriol.

This is meat of it right here, I agree.

[retailguy]

and I don't get the vitrole.

For me, it's the fact that Partial said that we have seen nothing from Rodgers that says he can be elite and that we should move on already because of it. He said that. That's going to cause vitriol.

This is meat of it right here, I agree.

Yeah, I got that. But both of you, what are you going to do if he's right? No wiggle room in these statements. Are you going to man up?

I don't see ARod failing either. But Jay Fiedler and Daunte Culpepper looked a whole lot like winners for a while too.

Hell, Culpepper looked all world for one season. Then fumblina appeared and the rest is history... Applying that to ARod makes me sick, I don't think it's likely, but we're kinda screwed if it materializes, aren't we?

[cpk1994]

and I don't get the vitrole.

For me, it's the fact that Partial said that we have seen nothing from Rodgers that says he can be elite and that we should move on already because of it. He said that. That's going to cause vitriol.

This is meat of it right here, I agree.

Yeah, I got that. But both of you, what are you going to do if he's right? No wiggle room in these statements. Are you going to man up?

I don't see ARod failing either. But Jay Fiedler and Daunte Culpepper looked a whole lot like winners for a while too.

Hell, Culpepper looked all world for one season. Then fumblina appeared and the rest is history... Applying that to ARod makes me sick, I don't think it's likely, but we're kinda screwed if it materializes, aren't we?

Since Culpeppers funbles were attributed to his small hands, I don't have that kind of conrecn with ARod. Bsically I am saying that Culpepper's problem was an anomaly becuase of the size of his hands.

As for ARod possibly failing, sure I'll man up. I have never ever said that Rodgers wouldn't fail. But he has steadily improved over each of his yers in Gb and that is good reason to believe it will continue. However, based on history, I doubt Partial will do the same.

[PlantPage55]

Yeah, I got that. But both of you, what are you going to do if he's right? No wiggle room in these statements. Are you going to man up?

Well...I never said he was elite already or was going to be elite. I've enjoyed what I've seen of Rodgers so far and expect him to get better. I'm not the one saying we are set for 10 years or anything. I think we should be excited to see how Rodgers progresses. It's a simple and fair way to look at it.

Partial is the one saying that we should dump him and move on NOW. I don't think that's fair to Rodgers or our team. In fact, I think it's outrageous.

And so what if he's not elite? Can't he just be "really good" or "great" and we'll still be very well off? It's incredibly difficult to find an elite QB - some teams have spent their entire existence trying to do it. Why scrap something that could be on the verge of "great" just to make a shot in the dark with someone else?

Will I man up if Rodgers busts? Well, yeah. But I don't see why that is being asked of me. I'm not the one that made a ridiculous statement. In fact, I made no prediction at all, except to say that the Packers would be better off seeing where Rodgers goes from here, given his very good season last year.

It's actually really frustrating to be asked this, when it has no relevance.

[Partial]

You guys take and twist words. Dump him now? For whom, exactly? I said they should continue to look to improve the position actively, because in my opinion, unless you have a top 5 QB, its tough to have consistent annual long term success.

My god, you people think that I'm a hater for thinking he's in the 12-14 range? That is awfully generous given he's A) done it once and B) couldn't close out close games like Vince Young, whom you rate significantly lower, and C) injury prone.

You better all hope like hell he doesn't put up an 85 QB rating next year or you better be men and be prepared to take your massive serving of crow.

[Zool]

You better all hope like hell he doesn't put up an 85 QB rating next year or you better be men and be prepared to take your massive serving of crow.

Because thats exactly what you would do.

[SkinBasket]

I'm just happy that I'm not responsible for this anymore. Gladly leave that to others.

I agree it isn't a fun job for anyone to decide how much is too much. Essentially however, anyone that posts here builds their own reputation, whether or not it's an accurate representation of who they are as a person. It's for each poster to decide how much their virtual representation matches their real life persona, and shouldn't be the concern of the rest of the forum, who are going to respond to the reputation, no matter how much that may or may not hit home with the person's ego.

I guess I just don't see anything personal in this thread, and was rather surprised that it was singled out and made an example of. If anything, it seemed rather mild mannered and pretty damned boring since it's only like the 247th time it's been rehashed in the last 6 months. Yeah, there's lots of responses against Partial and how he posts. But to me, that's nothing more than him taking an unpopular and difficult to support stance and having to account for the reputation and relations he's built with other posters. Maybe I missed a post, but I didn't see anything that went any deeper than that.

[Bossman641]

You guys take and twist words. Dump him now? For whom, exactly? I said they should continue to look to improve the position actively, because in my opinion, unless you have a top 5 QB, its tough to have consistent annual long term success.

My god, you people think that I'm a hater for thinking he's in the 12-14 range? That is awfully generous given he's A) done it once and B) couldn't close out close games like Vince Young, whom you rate significantly lower, and C) injury prone.

You better all hope like hell he doesn't put up an 85 QB rating next year or you better be men and be prepared to take your massive serving of crow.

What does actively mean? Drafting QB's in the first round? Second? Third?

You know what else makes it difficult to have success? A defense that sucks ass and repeatedly gives up leads LATE in the 4th quarter.

Must be tough for Vince Young to close out games from the bench, he really is a playmaker.

BTW, Favre's career QB rating is 85.4. VY's is 68.8. It's a good thing stats don't matter...or do they? Which side of the argument are we on again??

[Scott Campbell]

You better all hope like hell he doesn't put up an 85 QB rating next year..................

And this would make you happy because...................???


I'll eat my crow if its warranted. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Zool]

You better all hope like hell he doesn't put up an 85 QB rating next year..................

And this would make you happy because...................???

This is the part that pisses me off. It seems like P would be happy if the Packers fail this year so he can be right.

[retailguy]

It's actually really frustrating to be asked this, when it has no relevance.

Maybe I wasn't very clear in what I was trying to get across. I wasn't calling you out, I was opening thinking about the possibility, however remote, that this ARod think doesn't work out the way we think it will.

That's it. Apologies if it sounded like anything else.

[Scott Campbell]

...........I was opening thinking about the possibility, however remote, that this ARod think doesn't work out the way we think it will.

Of course that's true. Favre could have suffered a career ending injury in 95, and ended up being just another guy on the GB QB carousel. You can't take anything for granted.


But when you examine Aaron's play from last year, it is very, very encouraging. P is just a lot more down on Rodgers than nearly everyone else is.