Favre: What's With the Bashing? Some Sound Like Sad Exes....

[Gunakor]

Ty, you and I both know that Snake always wants the last word. And I'm not endorsing his post one bit. But as you said you were through, you didn't have to respond to that pic either. You could have just let Snake be the bad guy rather than trying to 1-up him. Again. You could have just let it go.

My point was that we used to have plenty of positive discussions and those are becoming more and more infrequent. It's like you're on a crusade to prove to all of us how much better you are than we. It didn't used to be like that, at least not when you and I were bantering in the Brewers threads. Your points were about Hoffman being overused or other topics about the Brewers, not about making Snake look like an ass or calling out 007 for supporting a player you no longer have any respect for.

The "Back" button on your browser can be just as good a friend to you as the "Submit" button on the forums. Next time you catch yourself posting a demeaning comment about another poster just hit that Back button. I will as well, and I'm sure we can get 007 and Snake and everyone else to do the same. We don't have to do this.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Dude, read again. I said i was thru.

So, what does Snake do..post a pic. Ty responded to the pic. How did ty start the fight? Ty was talking with you..and said he was thru..not talking with snake.

And, Ty's response was to snake...there was no reason for 007 to make any comment.

How aren't snake and 007 the bad guys? They are attacking me personally. Ty didn't say one thing to Snake.

You need to reevaluate your perspective...or not.

Lastly, ty doesn't do anything every single day. That is ludicrous.

P.S. there are plenty that like me. Some that don't. Could care less.

Every single time you get called on something you point the finger the other way. You are like a child on the playground that gets called out for something and blames the other guy. "He did it, so why can't I....and it was worse than what I did". Not just here, you do it all over the forum.....all the time. You are a KNOW IT ALL and everyone at PR know it....some tolerate you and think you are somewhat funny ( I don't know why). I don't care if I'm the "bad guy".....I said F you because you take cheap shots and I'm sick of it.

Yes. That is exactly what happens.

Please point out EXACTLY where my assessment was wong. This outta be good.

I didn't point the finger. I take responsibility for what Ty did. But, there is no denying that Snake instigated against Ty. And, there is no denying that you jumped in and attacked Ty in this thread..with no provocation.

Cheap shots? You mean like a crying baby pic?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty, you and I both know that Snake always wants the last word. And I'm not endorsing his post one bit. But as you said you were through, you didn't have to respond to that pic either. You could have just let Snake be the bad guy rather than trying to 1-up him. Again. You could have just let it go.

My point was that we used to have plenty of positive discussions and those are becoming more and more infrequent. It's like you're on a crusade to prove to all of us how much better you are than we. It didn't used to be like that, at least not when you and I were bantering in the Brewers threads. Your points were about Hoffman being overused or other topics about the Brewers, not about making Snake look like an ass or calling out 007 for supporting a player you no longer have any respect for.

The "Back" button on your browser can be just as good a friend to you as the "Submit" button on the forums. Next time you catch yourself posting a demeaning comment about another poster just hit that Back button. I will as well, and I'm sure we can get 007 and Snake and everyone else to do the same. We don't have to do this.

Gun,

You are right. Ty could have. But, Snake has long attacked me and at some point ty is not going to turn the other cheek. Ty's post of "thru" was directed at you.

And, if you notice, Ty's initial response to Snake's long diatribe was practically nothing.

You will notice that he EDITED his long comments about Ty....attacking me personally..and replaced them with the pic. Ty said nothing..didn't respond.

Your lesson to Ty is well stated...perhaps you could make it to Snake as well. Remember, Ty isn't saying shit about you or Snake personally. And, snake has NUMEROUS posts where he goes off on me..and others.

Today, after the win..the crying baby pic seemed funny..as why would ty be crying in the first place..and more like Snake after Bert shit the bed.

Ty is still on point on many other discussions. And, Ty doesn't call out anybody..let alone 007. Ty can't post in the Favre thread without them having to call him out. Goes both ways.

Crusade? Dude, i think you are letting one area....the favre area...warp your perspective. Name one other contentious thread.

Ty has heard your argument. If you want to talk about demeaning comments...best to talk to Snake. Ty will try to heed you advice.

[Gunakor]

Only people crying are you and the Favre dick suckers.

This statement was the one I first replied to tonight. To say you don't call out anyone, let alone 007, is completely false. This statement can easily be read as you calling 007 one of the Favre dick suckers that are crying. My entire argument this entire thread has been about specifically that - NOT calling anyone out as a Favre dick sucker, or a Favre hater, or anything else. You do in fact get personal with posters, even if you don't realize.

You are right. Ty could have. But, Snake has long attacked me and at some point ty is not going to turn the other cheek.

You have long attacked him too. I don't know how it started, honestly. You are no more guiltless than he is, that much I'm certain of. But you are playing this chicken and egg game with him, and as long as you continue to play that game it will never end. He won't stop until you do, you won't stop until he does. How will that solve anything? Be the bigger man and make the first move. And the second, and third, and fourth if the situation calls for it.

Your lesson to Ty is well stated...perhaps you could make it to Snake as well.

I don't have to, he'll read this same as you are. (Good thing we aren't having our "private" discussion via PM, or I'd have to go through this whole thing again for him via PM). The reason I'm calling you out rather than Snake in this instance is because the two of us actually were having positive dialogue initially. You didn't even have to post in his thread to begin with, and that's a bigger issue to me than what you actually posted. Yes it is a public forum, but you couldn't honestly expect to post what you did and not be retaliated against. If that's all you had to contribute, and you know that you and Snake get into it all the time to begin with, you could have just hit the Back button rather than the Submit button in Snake's thread. It would have saved all 3 of us a long and drawn out argument. IMO you started this one.

Remember, Ty isn't saying shit about you or Snake personally.

So I guess I'm not some dummy with reading comprehension issues now?

Crusade? Dude, i think you are letting one area....the favre area...warp your perspective. Name one other contentious thread.

Off the very top of my head, the one I mentioned/referenced just above. That's the most recent I've been involved in, but I'm certain there are a few others that could share their own unfortunate experiences with you in other threads.

But more to the point, if you know it's the Favre threads that cause problems, just stay out of them. I don't see Favre's supporters starting problems with you, normally it's you that jumps into a Favre conversation with comments that ruin said discussion. "We have a Bert thread for a reason" is a good example of a comment that can ruin a discussion, regardless of where in a thread it's posted. You are right, of course, but if you can clearly see in the title that Favre will be discussed you don't have to open it. You never know, there might be a good discussion going on regardless of whether it's in the Favre thread or in it's own thread. Which is why I said it's a good idea to read through a discussion start to finish before posting.

Ty can't post in the Favre thread without them having to call him out. Goes both ways.

It does. But ask yourself, what is it you're posting in the Favre thread? It can't be just "Fuck Favre and the horse he rode in on" because I've said that numerous times in that thread and haven't been called out on it. You must have said something else that set them off.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Only people crying are you and the Favre dick suckers.

This statement was the one I first replied to tonight. To say you don't call out anyone, let alone 007, is completely false. This statement can easily be read as you calling 007 one of the Favre dick suckers that are crying. My entire argument this entire thread has been about specifically that - NOT calling anyone out as a Favre dick sucker, or a Favre hater, or anything else. You do in fact get personal with posters, even if you don't realize.

You are right. Ty could have. But, Snake has long attacked me and at some point ty is not going to turn the other cheek.

You have long attacked him too. I don't know how it started, honestly. You are no more guiltless than he is, that much I'm certain of. But you are playing this chicken and egg game with him, and as long as you continue to play that game it will never end. He won't stop until you do, you won't stop until he does. How will that solve anything? Be the bigger man and make the first move. And the second, and third, and fourth if the situation calls for it.

Your lesson to Ty is well stated...perhaps you could make it to Snake as well.

I don't have to, he'll read this same as you are. (Good thing we aren't having our "private" discussion via PM, or I'd have to go through this whole thing again for him via PM). The reason I'm calling you out rather than Snake in this instance is because the two of us actually were having positive dialogue initially. You didn't even have to post in his thread to begin with, and that's a bigger issue to me than what you actually posted. Yes it is a public forum, but you couldn't honestly expect to post what you did and not be retaliated against. If that's all you had to contribute, and you know that you and Snake get into it all the time to begin with, you could have just hit the Back button rather than the Submit button in Snake's thread. It would have saved all 3 of us a long and drawn out argument. IMO you started this one.

Remember, Ty isn't saying shit about you or Snake personally.

So I guess I'm not some dummy with reading comprehension issues now?

Crusade? Dude, i think you are letting one area....the favre area...warp your perspective. Name one other contentious thread.

Off the very top of my head, the one I mentioned/referenced just above. That's the most recent I've been involved in, but I'm certain there are a few others that could share their own unfortunate experiences with you in other threads.

But more to the point, if you know it's the Favre threads that cause problems, just stay out of them. I don't see Favre's supporters starting problems with you, normally it's you that jumps into a Favre conversation with comments that ruin said discussion. "We have a Bert thread for a reason" is a good example of a comment that can ruin a discussion, regardless of where in a thread it's posted. You are right, of course, but if you can clearly see in the title that Favre will be discussed you don't have to open it. You never know, there might be a good discussion going on regardless of whether it's in the Favre thread or in it's own thread. Which is why I said it's a good idea to read through a discussion start to finish before posting.

Ty can't post in the Favre thread without them having to call him out. Goes both ways.

It does. But ask yourself, what is it you're posting in the Favre thread? It can't be just "Fuck Favre and the horse he rode in on" because I've said that numerous times in that thread and haven't been called out on it. You must have said something else that set them off.

Gun,

Why did i post that? Answer that question. Because 007 came after me. I hadn't posted to her had i? Nope. The post was to Snake..and in truth, pretty darn tame.

So, no, i didn't call her out. I didn't troll. I responded to snake. And, I use "and" so, no, i wasn't calling her a dick sucker. More to the point, dick sucker wasn't referring to any specific person here..it was just in general..you know the real world.

But, DS is what it is. If you identify yourself with it..then that is your problem. Calling someone out is by name. I didn't mention anybody by name. Certain posters like Favre, but that doesn't make them a DS. For example..Mobb.

Snake. You are 100% off. Snake started on me....misinterpreted something i said to Partial..and then went off. He would stalk posts of mine....in multiple forums here. I could be talking to you..and boom, he would insult me. And, stuff he said went way over the pale. Sorry. But, that is the facts. Then, he says he likes me...then, he hates me again. Mostly, he gets drunk and posts. Ty doesn't think much about it.

And, Ty had stopped. Ty wasn't posting to anything snake said. If you look Snake got pissed again because Ty pointed out that MM had the same winning percentage as Shermy...and that ty thought paying 6 mill for decoy was foolish.

You are posting to me. Ok. But, he had a massive attack and the pic..and nothing stated. Seems kinda dubious. You can't see that?

Honestly expect. Because i posted back 2 you about your thougths..and said i was thru..i should be expected to be attacked? Ok. Then, the reverse is true...you can't post a pic and not expect to be attacked. Seems a bit hypocritical.

Comprehension: Well, you didn't comprehend the tix price post.

In seriousness, in our back and forth, Ty didn't get personal...like saying that no one likes you, you are a moron, everyone thinks you are a baby. That is personal. If you can't see that..then, yes, you have a comprehension issue.

Crusade: So, you have nothing. Talking about other threads and other people..let them speak for themselves.

Sorry, but the bert thread is for ALL bert comments..positive and negative. And, again i'm not going to discuss this thread again. Others thought you were wrong. Patler said it was a Favre thread. Does it make it so..no. But, he seems pretty level headed.

The point still holds...no reason to start a favre thread. And, it is funny as ONE post of Ty's...you can't ignore. It ruins your thread. You are a hypocrite. You cry about it..yet you admonish Ty to do exactly what you can't/wont' do.

Stop focusing on Ty...others posted in this thread..and Ty only posted one time b4 it was moved. That is why i think you are bit bullshit. Denver posted 3 times, including a long post..and yet you think i ruined it.

And, you have this idea that we should read the whole thread before posting. Jesus, who made you king of how to post..not to mention most people don't do that..nor do they want to. Again, if you want to determine how a thread goes..start your own forum. You have repeatedly stated it was a discussion between you and snake and if others had something worthwhile to post they could. It wasn't labeled a thread of your discussion...do so. Make it your and snake's thread, like a partial thing. And, you aren't the arbiter of what is worthwhile and how to post. The sheer number of posters that disagree with you should tell you something. Isn't that what you would say to Ty? There is a reason Ty is being attacked in the Favre thread personally....so, i must be wrong. Well, doesn't the same apply to you?

See, it isn't quite so easy when you believe you are right, is it. You will keep defending your position despite Ty, patler, denver, joe, etc...saying exactly the opposite. Instead you ask did we read...ooops, i guess WE ARE ALL DUMB. WE ALL HAVE COMPREHENSION ISSUES..see, what Ty did? Ain't so fun is it?

Or you tell us how we should post. Or what we should do before posting. Sigh.

And, you again have more excuses for Ty being attacked. It must be because i did something. You realize that is just more blaming me..instead of the people attacking. Ok. Whatever. Maybe it is because Ty says the truth.

Either way, you make it out like everybody..sorry, the only favre lovers ty gets personally attacked is by 007 and Snake...and snake is attacking regardless..so ty can't say it is because of favre. Gex doesn't do it. Mobb doesn't do it..well, he does, but he knows ty can take it and he is joking.

The simple fact is that Ty has the right to express his disgust for Favre. We have ONE thread for doing that. Doing so doesn't demand a response or a defense of Favre..nor an attack.

Or, do i not have that right to express myself? Should i start threads about how favre haters shouldnt' be personally attacked?

P.S. You wanna know what is funny? Ty just went back thru the Favre thread...starting at jan 04...and there were no personal attacks by multiple posters on 007..maybe ty missed them. And, there were no personal attacks on Snake. In fact, the posters getting the brunt of it were gex and packer4ever. Gex and i discussed and it didn't get personal. The issue was being told to root for the vikings. There wasn't an issue of who is a packer fan. the issue was gex saying we should root for them..which engendered a discussion.

So, a farve lover starts a convo by a controversial post on what packer fans should do..and yet it is Favre haters who are the problem..hating and attacking favre lovers.

This whole thread is about Snake and his barry white/dmx persona scootching up to 007.

[Gunakor]

Ty, just don't use the term "dick sucker". That's the point I was making there. I never said I endorsed 007's post either, did I? I was addressing the confrontational language such as that term.

I'm trying to remain especially calm here. I'm not calling you out specifically, I only argue this with you because you are arguing it with me. I had addressed Denver's posts earlier in the thread, so I see no need to continue to bring him up if he is no longer part of this argument. And I said a couple posters ruined it. That would be you, Ty, and others as well... Unless you are a couple all by yourself.

Did you see my response in the tix price thread? I posted exactly why I got the impression I did. That's not a comprehension issue, if that's not what 1234 meant then it was posted in a way that would confuse a normal poster. The way it read was "$11, who wouldn't pay that to go to a game? They could have raised the price to $20 and people would still pay it." How does that read to you?

Like I said, I had absolutely no idea how the deal between you and Snake started. I know it's been going on for a long time, and both you and he have been guilty of further fueling that. You two don't have to like each other, but this needs to stop. Easy solution: You don't post in Snake's threads, Snake doesn't post in your threads. They aren't private threads, they are on an open forum, but when you two get together in the same thread problems arise. You don't have to refrain from posting in his threads, but it would be nice.

I didn't say NOBODY likes you, and I never called you a moron or a baby. The worst I did was call you a lazy ass for not reading a discussion before commenting on it. I don't think it's too much to ask that you understand what we're talking about before jumping into the conversation. I mean, as you say, discussions in threads evolve all the time.

I don't claim to be an arbiter of what is and is not worthwhile to post, but I can't see how "We already have a Bert thread for a reason" could be construed as a worthwhile contribution to ANY discussion we may have been having, outside of a discussion about the sheer number of Favre threads on the main page. All it could possibly have been intended for in this case is to end a discussion. What else could you possibly have intended in posting that?

What I said was "The reason people don't like you..." That much is true - this is the reason people don't like you. It isn't that everybody doesn't like you, but for the ones who don't, this is why. I apologize if that came across differently. I guess that much doesn't matter though if you don't care who likes you and who doesn't - not that you should care, but at the same time refraining from confrontational posts would go a long way twoard the forum as a whole being cleaned up. You aren't the only one who makes those confrontational posts, so don't think I'm singling you out, but you're the one arguing this with me so you are the one I direct my comments at.

The crusade I referenced isn't specific to me. I mentioned a thread where I was called out (incorrectly, as it were... reread that thread as I spelled out verbatim what was posted and how it would logically be interpreted). But your crusade extends beyond Gunakor, so I thought I'd point it out. Note I didn't speak for anyone elses experiences, I only mentioned that they existed. I'm not going to air anybody elses dirty laundry.

There's one nagging question I've posed here that you still haven't answered. If you see a thread whose title implies that the discussion will be one that isn't to your liking, why even open it in the first place? If you see a thread created by a poster that you constantly get into confrontation with, why comment on it? Why make a post simply to try and end a conversation between other posters?

I'm not trying to tell you how to post just to tell you how to post, I'm telling you this in an effort to crub the confrontation that has arisen. I really wish you'd grasp the fact that all I want is for people to post responsibly to maintain the peace. To avoid confrontation. Snake is guilty too, I'm not trying to absolve him of his part in it. 007 has been guilty, and Gunakor has been guilty too. Hell, I was one of the MOST guilty.

I have committed to working on my part in it, and that committment began last summer when the Favre deal erupted once again. It started with simply refraining from threads and posts where I felt it would be confrontational to engage in conversation, and by reading those I did open to make sure I would not engage in hostile conversation. Now I'm not engaging in hostile conversation very much anymore. It works.

That's where the suggestion comes from. That's all. I'm not saying you have to do it a certain way just because I say you do or because it's the way I do it. I'm merely offering a suggestion in an attempt to lessen the hostilities. I would hope we could all appreciate that.

Go ahead and start your thread about how Favre haters shouldn't be personally attacked. Seriously. I'd support that thread as well. But even if I didn't, it shouldn't stop you from creating it. I would just hope Snake wouldn't comment in it just to get a rise out of anyone having a conversation in it. And if he did, I'd call him out just as I did you in this thread. Again, the point isn't to tell you how to post or what threads can and cannot be created. It's about being responsible. When a Favre lover starts a thread and Favre haters come in and ruin it, it's the hater's fault. When a Favre hater starts a thread and the Favre lovers come in and ruin it, it's the lovers fault. Now I'm not saying the two groups should isolate themselves from each other's threads, just be responsible in what you post. Don't post confrontational comments to confrontational people.

I hope that clears this up some. I don't dislike you Ty, I just want the confrontation to settle. Being that we're on the same side in the Favre debate, and seeing how that's the cause of most of the confrontation, I thought it would be mighty big of us if we were the ones to make that first move. If that's just wishful thinking then I'm sorry for dragging this on for so long. Have a good night Ty. Cheers.

[sheepshead]

I never opened the other thread. Holy Shit you guys need to get a life already.

[Administrator]

this is absolutely ridiculous.

Thread closed and two accounts deactivated. possibly permanently.