The Inside Story of How the NFL's Plan for Its 1st Openly Gay Player Fell Apart

[mraynrand]

Can't you just reference Rex Ryan and cover it all?

[woodbuck27]

Nor has gay "marriage" solved the "problem," whatever the problem is. Other than allowing people differing viewpoints to express those views without fear of public shaming, retribution, and the attempted destruction of their lives. And I'm not talking about the gays. The intolerance shown to those who refuse to celebrate gaydom is a pervasive problem with our society. See Phil Robertson or that guy who owns Chick-fil-A or that anti-gay CB from SF as a couple of our most recent examples. Tolerance has no meaning these days other than a sociopolitical bludgeon of self-righteousness.

Again, trying to pressure an NFL player to announce his sexual behavior simply so activists can say, "See, look there! There's a gay and he plays football!" is dehumanizing - stripping a man down to where he likes to stick his penis, which would seem to be at odds with the desired outcome.

" stripping a man down to where he likes to stick his penis, which would seem to be at odds with the desired outcome." skinbasket

OK I can't stand it anymore...

Since when is the quality and success of a personal relationship 'of any status'; based to any degree on the quality of that relationship's privacy in the bedroom...that relationship sexual status'?

A successful relationship is affirmed (or measured) in terms of every aspect of living as a couple. SEX isn't the most important aspect. It's down the list.

[pbmax]

In the middle of the third quarter yesterday, Jordy Nelson and his wife showed up on the JumboTron to warn everyone about the dangers of breast cancer and how its probably a good idea to catch it early rather than assume you will never get it. They never mentioned males getting breast cancer as they were really just sucking up to women to get them to buy pink Packer clothing and pretend a significant amount of money was going to research.

They were fully clothed and never discussed their sex lives in the whole 30 second spot, and even though I suspect they prefer missionary, I did not really care. Why was I not curious? Because its mundane, routine and boring. Also it was only tangentially related to the sales task at hand.

If you believe there will soon be a Packer up there with a male partner discussing how it might be a good idea to get that prostate checked out then you are delusional. Those prostate research supporting truck nuts with a Packers G for the ring are not going to sell themselves you know.

Someone will need to publicly announce, wait for the media whirlwind to pass and then watch it become far less important over time.

Then your beloved silence can fall.

[woodbuck27]

This is, I think, the basis of Skin's side of this....discussion? (I don't know what to call what's happening in this thread)

I agree with this. Stop trying to point out gay people and just let them live their lives.

Yes. That would absolutely be a proof of the GAY Lifestyle and acceptance.

[woodbuck27]

I'm sure this means something very deep inside your head. Outside... not so much.

It's not deep man.

It's not complicated if you would simply try harder to read it ... interpret it.

Maybe you can't deal with the message? Maybe the core of you doesn't accept the GAY lifestyle? You realize that acceptance is a certain course of life now that we all must embrace. I include the most dedicated and daily faithful 'in Christ'. They don't hold the great Pass Card on interpretation of 'just how to live'.

This sort of person has missed the boat and loving GAYs when he/she fails to acknowledge Christ's 'only' desire of his flock.

To 'love one another' doesn't have limitations or self perceived reservations. LOVING in terms of a Christian belief and persuasion means:

LOVE: ALL IN ... FOR ALL ... WITH ALL.

It doesn't mean " Don't love anyone that has sex like that."

[woodbuck27]

Instead of don't ask don't tell, maybe don't worry about it?

Yes where I come from that falls under the category:

To each his/her own.

It's simply not our business how others live unless a part of that is intended to harm us.

Harming us is open to all sorts of interpretations and then back to the individual and certain prejudice may rule the day.

How do the people living in the present reach those that are ignorant in their past?

You simply allow those people to wrestle with their own struggles. It's not your/my business.

To get all absorbed in going there is a waste of time. You cannot change others. That's up to those others.

It's their personal business.

[mraynrand]

If you believe there will soon be a Packer up there with a male partner discussing how it might be a good idea to get that prostate checked out then you are delusional.

Why on earth would they do that in any case?

[woodbuck27]

Why on earth would they do that in any case?

Your somewhat naïve or is it simply green there 'M' but let's steer a course to something more obvious.

Isn't it clearly best to get a more professional opinion.

To LOVE your prostrate better.

[SkinBasket]

It's not deep man.

It's not complicated if you would simply try harder to read it ... interpret it.

I ain't interpreting shit, especially yours. How about you communicate in a manner that doesn't require a decoder ring? You obviously have no interest in an actual exchange of ideas.

OK I can't stand it anymore...

Since when is the quality and success of a personal relationship 'of any status'; based to any degree on the quality of that relationship's privacy in the bedroom...that relationship sexual status'?

A successful relationship is affirmed (or measured) in terms of every aspect of living as a couple. SEX isn't the most important aspect. It's down the list.

No one said any of this. If you'd take your head out your ass and actually follow along instead of regurgitating incoherent bits and pieces of whatever you find laying around, you would know that, and you would understood the difference between your misguided and patronistic desire to define a man as a homosexual while also branding anyone who doesn't support said behavior as intolerant and hateful, and an actual intellectually honest desire to have men who are homosexual generally treated like men who are heterosexual. Conflating love with tolerance and acceptance, and hate with disapproval or indifference is not only stupid, it's annoyingly self-righteous and belligerent. Your intolerance blinds you to differing opinion and your public sound chamber encourages your ignorance. In the end, you want to stereotype and pigeon-hole gays so they can stand testament to your hyperbolic crusade championing where a guy puts his cock. Without your trophy queer, your noble cause lacks the same moral weight. And so you decide what the gays should do and you decide how everyone should react. Because you have the holy light of tolerance enshrouding you, striking down anyone who might dare disagree.

[SkinBasket]

If you believe there will soon be a Packer up there with a male partner discussing how it might be a good idea to get that prostate checked out then you are delusional.

And why would it have to be a couple fags promoting prostates? Because it would make sense because they like butt sex? You mention the Jordy and his wife again being used for advertising, again. Has it crossed your mind that advertising is about connecting with as large an audience as possible... like maybe the 90-95% heterosexual audience instead of some evil cabal to keep fags off the jumbotron?

Someone will need to publicly announce, wait for the media whirlwind to pass and then watch it become far less important over time.

Need. There's that language again. Media whirlwind? And who's going to be the driving force behind that whirlwind? Because it's not going to be your massive shadow network of national gay hating groups. Again, the only people this is important to is the very ones who claim it's not important. But go ahead and serve up your sacrificial gay football player to months of talk about his sexuality because... why again? Oh, that's right, the "silence." And by "silence" you mean a name. Because we know there are gay players. The only difference is I don't need to know their name or have them serve as a token symbol for other people's purposes.

[woodbuck27]

I ain't interpreting shit, especially yours. How about you communicate in a manner that doesn't require a decoder ring? You obviously have no interest in an actual exchange of ideas.



No one said any of this. If you'd take your head out your ass and actually follow along instead of regurgitating incoherent bits and pieces of whatever you find laying around, you would know that, and you would understood the difference between your misguided and patronistic desire to define a man as a homosexual while also branding anyone who doesn't support said behavior as intolerant and hateful, and an actual intellectually honest desire to have men who are homosexual generally treated like men who are heterosexual. Conflating love with tolerance and acceptance, and hate with disapproval or indifference is not only stupid, it's annoyingly self-righteous and belligerent. Your intolerance blinds you to differing opinion and your public sound chamber encourages your ignorance. In the end, you want to stereotype and pigeon-hole gays so they can stand testament to your hyperbolic crusade championing where a guy puts his cock. Without your trophy queer, your noble cause lacks the same moral weight. And so you decide what the gays should do and you decide how everyone should react. Because you have the holy light of tolerance enshrouding you, striking down anyone who might dare disagree.

WOW! Your manners really suck you down.

This tiatribe against me hardly is based on who I am or whatsoever how I express my views here. Where do I label anyone here as anything? Frankly I don't care what you stand for mister. Your stances would hardly agree with anything sane or reasonably rational, when you express with such extreme anger.

** Good manners and some order of restraint in trying to understand anyone. **

** Is there a common sense merit in that?

That describes me in all I've ever stood for Skinbasket. I've always aimed to be that person. I've been known generally as a fair person. Tolerant of the views and opinions of others, because that's mannerly and the 'only' way not to burn the bridge (s) needed to communicate. Live in a healthy environment of open mindedness and working for the ultimate TRUTH in results founded in simple compassion and decency.

Your forms of English language usage (cursing and derogatory slams/slurs) hardly meets common standards of decency. You may start out seemingly rational but soon that will deteriorate into one big rant of angry proportions.

I actually can't take you serious as that's just an act to cover up your real issues. I feel genuinely bad for you SkinBasket your life must be difficult.

Chin up !

This is a question just for you. That "just maybe? 'YOU' need ask yourself".

How do you live with such intense anger?

I cannot possibly seriously respond 'specifically to your post above'; to anyone in your state.

For me to do so would be a clear "self abuse".

I'd wish you a nice day but that's hardly possible in the state your so obviously in. Maybe you'll feel better after taking some medication.

I'm on your side as a human being. Life does offer it's challenges.

The answers for me ends in an...

AMEN !

PS: Are you depressed? If you are I recommend getting help ASAP.

[Teamcheez1]

Can all of you take this conversation to a bathhouse? The rest of us are tired of seeing this thread show up on our screens.

[woodbuck27]

Can all of you take this conversation to a bathhouse? The rest of us are tired of seeing this thread show up on our screens.

You do have the option of ignoring this thread. That will work.

Also... I'm of the opinion that the direction this thread is in or has turned to is beyond any use and topics "football".

Have a nice day.

[woodbuck27]

" Can all of you take this conversation to a bathhouse? The rest of us are tired of seeing this thread show up on our screens." Teamcheez1

You do have the option of ignoring this thread. That will work.

Also... I'm of the opinion that the direction this thread is in or has turned to is beyond any use and topics "football".

Have a nice day.

Does this thread belong here any longer?

It's beginning to resemble an episode of:

"The Walking Dead".

It's drawing flys.

[SkinBasket]

WOW! Your manners really suck you down.

blah blah blah

You, sir, are as cowardly as you are insincerely repetitive in your "contributions" to this discussion. You hide behind your demented claim of "manners" and "decency" just like you hide behind your equally perverted claims of "tolerance." Those are not insults, they are assessments. Based on your posts, not on any mental condition I would childishly and ignorantly try to attribute to you. No one is angry. You confuse the conviction of logic for anger because you have no intellectual sense of purpose or direction, and you find your feet quickly slipping on the crumbling footing on which you stand, so you panic and mistake confidence for aggression.

Does that meet your fucking manners requirement? Can you bend your mind back to the topic without throwing a hissy fit, or will you simply continue to toss labels around to avoid having to analyze your own flawed thinking? Just wondering, because you really haven't addressed the shortcomings, or even the most basic purpose, of your position.