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  • Originally posted by Guiness View Post
    The bigger issue I have is that 10% number...baseless speculation as far as anything

    If you count college women, that figure might be 20%

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    • Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      Nope, I was thinking of Belichick. He started as a ST coach.
      Yes throughout the late 1970's and until 1984 Bill Belichick worked as a ST's Coach amongst other duties in the Detroit Lions, Denver Broncos and NY GIANTS Organizations; until he became DC with the GIANTS 1985-90, and from there Please see the LINK below for more on this remarkable Head Coach:

      ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
      ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
      ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
      ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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      • Originally posted by hoosier View Post
        Unless Kluwe has Ryan Braun syndrome it is hard to imagine him inventing such a specific narrative and attributing to a specific person, in front of alleged witnesses no less, if it didn't really happen. Could this be the vendetta of a former player against a coach? Sure, but given the detailed recollection it seems unlikely.
        I'm going to tie this other source to your LINK hoosire:




        Eye On Football

        Vikings to conduct independent review of Chris Kluwe allegations

        By John Breech | CBSSports.com ... January 3, 2014 4:01 pm ET

        Comment woodbuck27:

        Talk about a rush to put out a fire. Such a big deal when likely in the end 'spit' would have done just fine.
        ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
        ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
        ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
        ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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        • Originally posted by MJZiggy View Post
          Then explain again how a trait that is not hereditary, found in people who most often do not reproduce (and among those who do, the trait is not necessarily passed on) is steadily present in the general population. If you try to tell me that people choose it, thus choosing a life of being discriminated against, beaten and in some cultures legally murdered, you will have to explain to me why someone would make that choice--particularly since so many straight men have declared to me that other men are gross and therefore gays couldn't possibly be attracted to them.
          Hope I didn't piss ya off too much Zig. You might be surprised how many genetics experts just make crap up about all this.

          A plausible evolutionary explanation is that ostensible homosexual attraction is a linked trait to something else that is absolutely essential for survival, say sexual attraction in general. The other possibility is that it is completely epigenetic, meaning it is not encoded genetically, but that the expression of genes that give the propensity for same sex attraction is triggered by environmental factors (those could be anything but it's a really fanciful way of saying "I don't know what causes the predisposition")

          As far as I can tell there are three causes of apparent homosexual behavior, based on the simple fact that humans are a two sex species:

          1) intersexual development: homo sapiens either develop as male or female, but sometimes develop intersexual traits, and sometimes that's subtle, so that the person is more or less indistinguishable as a specific sex. So someone who looks male may be tilted toward female development and someone female tilted toward male development, etc. So the 'same sex' attraction that intersexuals feel is perfectly natural
          2) Trauma - there are all sorts of developmental and experiential trauma that can lead to ego-identity confusion and/or make a person of one sex less attracted to the other sex, and gravitate towards the same sex. Most people probably know a divorced woman who is now gay as a result of an abusive husband, for example. Children who have parents with confused sexual roles can also be affected (Sorry, that's probably not the correct way to say that).
          3) Experimentation - This is more common in women than men, but people do get influenced by society - sometimes accidentally and harmlessly and sometimes dangerously and purposefully- to 'explore their sexuality,' and they do just that, without having any homosexual inclination at all.

          Ultimately though, in any of the cases, the decision to express any of these feelings in a sexual way, regardless of their genesis, is a voluntary act, presumably by agents with free will, with all the implications that entails.
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • Kerry Rhodes being gay isn't the problem. It's that he sexually harasses every single one of his teammates. lol

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            • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post
              If you count college women, that figure might be 20%
              Have that many wet dreams, do you?
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              Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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              • Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                Vikings to conduct independent review of Chris Kluwe allegations
                That's a good idea; absolutely should include an outside source to be objective and credible
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
                  http://www.gallup.com/poll/6961/what...ation-gay.aspx

                  October 8, 2002

                  What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?

                  by Jennifer Robison, Contributing Editor
                  Lots of statistics in that article. Best line from TFA
                  In fact, roughly a quarter of the public thinks more than 25% of men and 25% of women are homosexual.
                  I read that more than a few times, and I'm not sure just what it is trying to say.

                  What does it matter what 25% of the population thinks of the rest of the population's sexuality?
                  --
                  Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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                  • Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View Post

                    Why can't they just stick to pizza delivery guys interrupting lonely people taking a shower?
                    It's good to know you take showers, but do you use soap?
                    "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                    • So can we move this thread? It isnt football anymore.
                      Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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                      • Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                        What does it matter what 25% of the population thinks of the rest of the population's sexuality?
                        I think it's a measure of cultural saturation of the gay 'issue' (for lack of a better word). Like Skin was saying, the gay message is everywhere, and it's almost all roses and no thorns (easy, Harlan)
                        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                        • I mean, their new punter outperformed his numbers from last year in every way. So...

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                          • Originally posted by smuggler View Post
                            I mean, their new punter outperformed his numbers from last year in every way. So...
                            True, and you would hope for that if you took him in the fifth and he wasn't BJ Sander.

                            The question, unanswerable unless someone put it in writing, is why choose that year to use a fifth pick on a punter instead of a QB, LB or CB?

                            Yes, they saved cap money, but if not in cap danger was it worth losing to opportunity to get a different player? For punters, fifth is a pretty glitzy round, but its not unheard of and the Vikings might operate that way.

                            More easily answerable might be the quotes ascribed to the coach. The kicker has backed his coach's character and said he never heard the language Kluwe mentioned. But there would be others in that room.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • Originally posted by Tony Oday View Post
                              So can we move this thread? It isnt football anymore.
                              Do you feel threatened?

                              It'll be OK.
                              ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                              ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                              ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                              ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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                              • Originally posted by smuggler View Post
                                I mean, their new punter outperformed his numbers from last year in every way. So...
                                That's got little to do in terms of "who said what or didn't".
                                ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                                ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                                ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
                                ** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau

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