The Inside Story of How the NFL's Plan for Its 1st Openly Gay Player Fell Apart

[woodbuck27]

I think this is a quote right out of a 1979 freshman human growth class. Newflash: gays are everywhere! Openly, and ridiculously over-represented in popular culture. No one is crossing the street to avoid them. No one is murdering them. Hell, even harassment claims have more often than not turned out to be hoaxes perpetrated by homos to maintain their victim status in the last few years. What stigma are you referring to? For bonus points, name a stigma or a perceived stereotype that isn't perpetuated by the gay community.

Who are these "people?" Did you see them on a PBS special? Why do you assume that the natural social state for a homo is that everyone knows they're a homo? Why don't you want fags to have the same expectations to privacy as the rest of us? Why do you hate gays?

Is the debate about:



or about:



HANDS OFF !!

or BOTH?

[red]

i think its all about the fear that some people have that a group of gays are gonna someday bust through their front door and all start butt fucking each other in the middle of the family room while their family is trying to have their nightly bible study

[MJZiggy]

i think its all about the fear that some people have that a group of gays are gonna someday bust through their front door and all start butt fucking each other in the middle of the family room while their family is trying to have their nightly bible study

See that's the difference. While I realize (because I live in a place where gay marriage is legal) that this isn't going to actually happen, it would be more interesting than what is happening in my living room at present...

[mraynrand]

Actually, I think the only ones that they are trying to make into pariahs are those who exude hatred.

this is untrue

[MJZiggy]

So if a person gives an account of what he claims another person said (in any setting) it's not creditable or believable as something he tells us about himself?

(Credible means believable. They are synonyms.)

[mraynrand]

i think its all about the fear that some people have that a group of gays are gonna someday bust through their front door and all start butt fucking each other in the middle of the family room while their family is trying to have their nightly bible study

You've hit the nail on the head, so to speak. Every evangelical I've ever talked to has this recurring nightmare. Problem solved at last! Now if only we could classify this in the DSM and force Obamacare to pay for the treatment!

[mraynrand]

Actually you know statistically that nuking every homosexual on the planet would not solve the problem, nor would rounding them up on an island. We know that homosexuality is not a hereditary condition as homosexuals do not reproduce, yet represent approximately 10 percent of the population. So nuking them all only delays your problem by a generation

Holy shitty genetic speculation batman! God only knows the advocates don't want an honest discussion about genetic determinism versus free will, but this? Even Margaret Sanger wouldn't swallow this hogwash.

[mraynrand]

It will be increasingly uncool for people to hold-on to bigoted views towards gays.

or even non-bigoted views. Only the views of the anointed will be acceptable.

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See that's the difference. While I realize (because I live in a place where gay marriage is legal) that this isn't going to actually happen, it would be more interesting than what is happening in my living room at present...

LOL

[Teamcheez1]

It will be increasingly uncool for people to hold-on to bigoted views towards gays.

Yes. We must all learn to embrace the gay lifestyle in all it's entirety. Tolerance isn't enough. If you don't wholly accept it, you must be banished.
All of society should realize that a very small percentage of our population should define the norms accepted by all (according to the Hollywood left and the press). Forget the other 95+ %.

By the way, Kluwe should not only have been kept on the roster, but his salary doubled for speaking out politically on the issues. Any employee of a company should be able to speak out regardless of the content of the speech (not!).

[MJZiggy]

Holy shitty genetic speculation batman! God only knows the advocates don't want an honest discussion about genetic determinism versus free will, but this? Even Margaret Sanger wouldn't swallow this hogwash.

Then explain again how a trait that is not hereditary, found in people who most often do not reproduce (and among those who do, the trait is not necessarily passed on) is steadily present in the general population. If you try to tell me that people choose it, thus choosing a life of being discriminated against, beaten and in some cultures legally murdered, you will have to explain to me why someone would make that choice--particularly since so many straight men have declared to me that other men are gross and therefore gays couldn't possibly be attracted to them.

[woodbuck27]

(Credible means believable. They are synonyms.)

Excuse me....I'll try again:

If a person gives an account of what he claims another person said (in any setting):

It's not believable (ceredible).

While something he tells us about himself is believable (credible)?

Is it a normal course of living to mistrust everything and everyone; with the exception depended on the source?

!!! PLEASE IGNORE THIS !!!

That question is off topic and delves into what is deemed truthful or not.

[Guiness]

Then explain again how a trait that is not hereditary, found in people who most often do not reproduce (and among those who do, the trait is not necessarily passed on) is steadily present in the general population. If you try to tell me that people choose it, thus choosing a life of being discriminated against, beaten and in some cultures legally murdered, you will have to explain to me why someone would make that choice--particularly since so many straight men have declared to me that other men are gross and therefore gays couldn't possibly be attracted to them.

The bigger issue I have is that 10% number...baseless speculation as far as anything I've ever seen, it's a number that seems to get thrown out there when it's needed. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

I know some people that are openly gay, and I'm sure there are others I know that are, but I'm not aware of it. Would I pretend to be able to put a percentage on it? No chance.

[woodbuck27]

The bigger issue I have is that 10% number...baseless speculation as far as anything I've ever seen, it's a number that seems to get thrown out there when it's needed. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

I know some people that are openly gay, and I'm sure there are others I know that are, but I'm not aware of it. Would I pretend to be able to put a percentage on it? No chance.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/6961/what-percentage-population-gay.aspx

October 8, 2002

What Percentage of the Population Is Gay?

by Jennifer Robison, Contributing Editor

[Harlan Huckleby]

i think its all about the fear that some people have that a group of gays are gonna someday bust through their front door and all start butt fucking each other in the middle of the family room while their family is trying to have their nightly bible study

Doesn't help that this is a typical plot line in gay porn.

Why can't they just stick to pizza delivery guys interrupting lonely people taking a shower?