The Inside Story of How the NFL's Plan for Its 1st Openly Gay Player Fell Apart

[SkinBasket]

It blows my mind how all of these "conservatives" want to keep to themselves and support individual rights - unless you're gay. Ridiculous. Hopefully with the new pope all of these catholic ass wipes realize how ridiculous the views of the church are.

The world is rapidly changing. Turns out organized religion is a massive crock of shit that only fools follow.

BLAM! Intolerance in the name of tolerance strikes again!

Also, what "individual rights" of gays are being suppressed by "conservatives?" Or do you feel that someone's sexual behavior entitles them to additional "rights?" You were kind of a vague, so it's hard to get a feel for.

[Zool]

BLAM! Intolerance in the name of tolerance strikes again!

Also, what "individual rights" of gays are being suppressed by "conservatives?" Or do you feel that someone's sexual behavior entitles them to additional "rights?" You were kind of a vague, so it's hard to get a feel for.

I assume he was talking about marriage? It's a pretty broad brush statement so hard to say exactly. Typically Christians are conservative so I suppose one could make that leap if they choose. But as you've said many times in FYI, my Utopian ideal of no political parties makes me hate both sides of this idiotic argument.

[SkinBasket]

I assume he was talking about marriage? It's a pretty broad brush statement so hard to say exactly. Typically Christians are conservative so I suppose one could make that leap if they choose. But as you've said many times in FYI, my Utopian ideal of no political parties makes me hate both sides of this idiotic argument.

That's what I was guessing given the nature of the discussion, but I'm not sure where anyone has been granted to "right" to marriage. Maybe he has a different copy of the Constitution than I do. Or maybe he found it in the General Welfare Clause.

[SkinBasket]

Typically Christians are conservative so I suppose one could make that leap if they choose.

I'm not buying that these days. It might be true that people who identify as Christian may still skew slightly conservative, and certainly certain segments are firmly conservative due to their religious beliefs, but I don't think "Christians" are the conservative well they used to be. I would expect a pretty even political smattering across the Christian spectrum if I wasn't too lazy to look it up. Especially if you count black people, which apparently we have been forced to do by our Federal slave masters. Ishmeal also seems to forget that there are many a "devout" Catholic democrat as well, but then again, that's kind of exactly the problem with ignorant stereotyping I guess.

[HowardRoark]

Not to mention that by orders of magnitude, Christianity is growing fastest in Africa and South America.....so this yo-yo is now an anti-brown skinned person hate group.

But I suppose that doesn't fit his narraative that he has been spoon fed that it's all the idiots in the suburbs driving their Chevrolets to church every Sunday morning hating gay people.

[mraynrand]

I'm not buying that these days. It might be true that people who identify as Christian may still skew slightly conservative, and certainly certain segments are firmly conservative due to their religious beliefs, but I don't think "Christians" are the conservative well they used to be. I would expect a pretty even political smattering across the Christian spectrum if I wasn't too lazy to look it up. Especially if you count black people, which apparently we have been forced to do by our Federal slave masters. Ishmeal also seems to forget that there are many a "devout" Catholic democrat as well, but then again, that's kind of exactly the problem with ignorant stereotyping I guess.

Baptist blacks are highly conservative. Still, they all voted for Obama, because after careful dissection of all the issues, they felt Obama most accurately reflected their core values. Half of Catholics voted for Obama. That's because they feel that abortion - though opposed by the church - is a woman's right that the State should not take away, and that contraceptives are a right that the State should provide. Wait, was I talking about conservative Catholics? I'm confused.

[mraynrand]

But I suppose that doesn't fit his narraative that he has been spoon fed that it's all the idiots in the suburbs driving their Chevrolets to church every Sunday morning hating gay people.

I thought it was Dodge RAM trucks and Ford F150s in non-Austin Texas.

[woodbuck27]

Nice Deliverance reference, Woodbuck.

That movie was something else with a 94% Rating.

I liked the scenery and the white water canoeing. I've done a lot of that back in the day (s). Some of those trips into the remote back woods with a bunch of outdoor freaks and wildlife junkies. some wonderful fun filled and exciting times. That movie placed a new meaning on stay away from the fricken locals if you can help it.

I saw JAWS again for the maybe 10th time just recently. I just checked to see how it compares to Deliverence in terms of a rating.

JAWS gets a whopping 98% Rating. WOW!

[SkinBasket]

You know, it just occurred to me yesterday that I was married by a gay minister. He often smelled like stale bread, but otherwise was a swell chap.

[SkinBasket]

So gay-outters, when can the world change now there is an openly gay football player being paraded in front of world by CNN, ESPN, the first "lady" and every left wing rag in the nation? Do we have to wait until he's drafted, or until he secures a roster spot (if he doesn't, I can only imagine the reasons that will be foisted upon us from some political corners), or is it like Obamacare, where we have to wait for something considered positive to happen to find out, like 2017? Just wondering when this long dreamed of goal starts affecting all the change you think has to happen to our obviously gay hating society.

Also, I haven't noticed the massive "religious right wing" outcry. Did I miss something?

[Kiwon]

So gay-outters, when can the world change now there is an openly gay football player being paraded in front of world by CNN, ESPN, the first "lady" and every left wing rag in the nation? Do we have to wait until he's drafted, or until he secures a roster spot (if he doesn't, I can only imagine the reasons that will be foisted upon us from some political corners), or is it like Obamacare, where we have to wait for something considered positive to happen to find out, like 2017? Just wondering when this long dreamed of goal starts affecting all the change you think has to happen to our obviously gay hating society.

Also, I haven't noticed the massive "religious right wing" outcry. Did I miss something?

Personally, I'm collecting those small New Testaments given out by the Gideons as ammo. Then in "flash mob" fashion we Christians will launch our own version of the "Knockout" game on every L and G and T we see. We need to discuss among ourselves whether the B should also be targeted as well. They have the idea half correct given that they sin in the normal way by lusting over the opposite sex. I say, if you are going to sin then at least do it the "right" way. There is still hope for them.

So we should start with the LGT first and see if the QQUIA get the message. Hopefully, our movement will spread and the country will return to its homophobic roots and peace will reign in the land once again.

[digitaldean]

He was rated as a 3rd to 5th round pick at best. We'll see how he plays out at the combine and by whoever drafts Sam. If the Packers pick him, I'll cheer for his playing ability, but that's all.

I am sick and tired of the constant harping about this by ESPN, CNN and Michelle Obama. This guy ain't Rosa Parks or Jackie Robinson, for God's sake. Also, I'm pretty sickened by the comments I've read in ESPN's comments section of people criticizing Sam's father for having a tough time dealing with this. If one of my kids came out, especially after the upbringing I've tried to instill, then I'd be pretty disheartened also. (especially when he didn't have the guts to say to his dad's face, he had to text him instead) It'd hit me hard because of my personal religious beliefs on the matter. It is my job as a father to point out to my kid what our faith states on the matter. Then it is up to them. God gives us all free will. Accept or reject, there are consequences with both. They can live their life in their own way, but they have to live with what they choose. I still won't love them any more or less because of it since I'll do anything / anytime for my kids. Any parent worth their salt would unconditionally love their children.

That being said, I still find it hypocritical how so many on the left portray the dad as a bigot. In not accepting homosexuality, he isn't one. But to those that keep screaming for freedom of beliefs and lifestyle, it is the criticism of people who don't accept that lifestyle as hypocritical. Be tolerant of everything, accept the PC ways that are shoved down the throat of Christians every single day. Sorry, Homey don't play that here.

So if people want to label me as a "religious right wing nut job", then go ahead and label away, even though it undercuts your "free speech" mantra. I don't hate anyone who is gay or accepts LGBT stances, because if I did, I'd be undercutting myself also.

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[mraynrand]

Any parent worth their salt would unconditionally love their children.

I have to disagree. If my kid turned into an serial murderer, etc. etc. I don't really think I'd much love him anymore.

[mraynrand]

I saw that the NFL network had a 'football life' episode following the career of the Washington TE Jerry Smith, who died of AIDS at 43, and how he lived in the shadows during his time in the NFL. It pretty much answered the questions about Lombardi - Lombardi basically shut down any locker room crap directed at gays; David Maraniss (Lombardi biographer) said that Vince's brother was gay, and that was part of the equation, but I suspect that Vince was generally opposed to any crap like that in his locker room.

The program was obviously sympathetic to the player, and wasn't openly hostile to 'homophobes' but any opposition to gay lifestyle was pretty much presented as a negative. There of course was no presentation of any coherent opposition to his lifestyle, except perhaps in the presentation of the AIDS epidemic, and it was strongly suggested that his absence from the HOF was due to bigotry.

[mraynrand]

So gay-outters, when can the world change now there is an openly gay football player being paraded in front of world by CNN, ESPN, the first "lady" and every left wing rag in the nation? Do we have to wait until he's drafted, or until he secures a roster spot (if he doesn't, I can only imagine the reasons that will be foisted upon us from some political corners), or is it like Obamacare, where we have to wait for something considered positive to happen to find out, like 2017? Just wondering when this long dreamed of goal starts affecting all the change you think has to happen to our obviously gay hating society.

Also, I haven't noticed the massive "religious right wing" outcry. Did I miss something?

I noticed he got a standing ovation at a basketball game:

Let the oppression end!

Michelle Carmichael" "We are all CoMo Sexuals"