More Banjo: Coronavirus And Sports

[call_me_ishmael]

And you don't see the difference???? The things you mention are to determine if there is a serious life threatening condition that needs treating. This corona testing is NOT that at all. It is designed to overcrowd hospitals with people whose life is absolutely not threatened, and it is designed to throw gasoline on the fire which is the idiocy of panicky overreaction to this thing.

America is waking up, though. People are coming around to seeing this shit for what it is, and saying No Mas!

I am willing to bet that significantly less than 1% of people who get a colonoscopy die the next month. Do you want to take that bet?

[bobblehead]

I voted for a President of the United States, not the Premier of China.

Everyone knew not having testing ready was a mistake. The first thing Pence's task force went out to do was to see if they could unscramble the 3M attempt and then promise 1,000,000 kits by the end of the week. C'mon, be serious. Testing is step 1 and they fucked it up. Perhaps it was too late by then. But they paid zero attention to it until coverage started to hurt.

And someone turned down the WHO testing kit in favor of the one CDC was developing. A CDC that was underfunded and had no backup plan.

Every infectious disease expert said the same thing early: a travel ban buys you time with these viruses. They did not use that time effectively.

When your media strategy is to say verifiably false things very loudly to dominate headlines, you are exacerbating, not downplaying your coverage. Its not an unintended consequence, its the intended consequence.

This is the same thing that happens each time. The details are different but the patterns and weak points are the same. The virus is novel, the slow reaction to a known problem isn't. Put it into business friendly terms. The failure to have testing be prioritized and ready to go has meant that closing down society is the one preventative step left that we have to slow progression of serious illness. Its a colossal failure.

I was at the park hours ago walking my dogs. I stay clear of everyone. 20 kids were playing basketball. If their parents are that dumb do you think they would get the kids and themselves tested if they weren't showing symptoms? The story about the guy who took his daughter to some event AFTER he was tested and positive shows the problem. There is nothing the politicians can do about this shit. Having a billion test kits ready to go january 1st would have changed NOTHING.

[bobblehead]

More robust testing earlier lets you quarantine a smaller set of possible carriers and symptomatic. That would reduce the spread. If you know where the trouble is, easier to isolate early and on smaller scale.

Now, we are in a mass quarantine to achieve similar results and slow the spread.

We know where the trouble is. NY. We need a travel ban in and out of that state. Good Luck.

[call_me_ishmael]

I was at the park hours ago walking my dogs. I stay clear of everyone. 20 kids were playing basketball. If their parents are that dumb do you think they would get the kids and themselves tested if they weren't showing symptoms? The story about the guy who took his daughter to some event AFTER he was tested and positive shows the problem. There is nothing the politicians can do about this shit. Having a billion test kits ready to go january 1st would have changed NOTHING.

I am not so sure I agree. People think "this is the flu" or "this is nothing" because of the President's commentary. If he would get on the horn and say "this is very serious, these are the steps were taking, and we're doing a nation wide shut-down for the next 4 weeks. You will be fined 10,000 dollars if you're out in public outside of reasons X, Y, and Z", I believe that would people would take it extremely seriously and lock themselves in (as they should be). It's the lack of federal action, in my opinion, that is making this a "partisan" issue and seeing people violating the social distancing recommendations.

I can tell you that my moron radicalized right wing neighbor keeps walking past my house trying to talk my kids after posting in our neighborhood group about how this is nothing and society is overreacting. What a dumb fucking cunt. My wife gave me the go ahead to spray Raid at her and I absolutely fucking will if she or her little cunty ass pooch Oreo step foot on my soil. You just know a DFC like that is out at every restaurant and store canoodling it up with people spreading germs all over town. Selfish cunt. The only way she'll listen and follow is if Trump himself executes a federal lock-down, since "Tony Evers is in on it too".

[call_me_ishmael]

We know where the trouble is. NY. We need a travel ban in and out of that state. Good Luck.

I mean, it's anywhere where there's dense population and significant testing.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

We know where the trouble is. NY. We need a travel ban in and out of that state. Good Luck.

Wow

[texaspackerbacker]

Another excellent post, Bobblehead.

The kids playing basketball in the park just illustrates what regular people think of the "threat" of this thing - which panic-mongers portray as so bad. A certain major whiner in here likes to claim it is the older people thinking like that, and his side has young ones thinking like them hahahahaha. The tennis court closest to my home got turned into a basketball court - which originally pissed me off, but the fact is, it gets a lot more use now, filled with teens and other young guys especially with no school.

The shithead decision makers don't want people close together in grocery stores, so they let them wait in line outside; That illustrates the logic of the panic-mongers hahahahaha.

New York is what it is because a lot of Europeans came in there before the travel ban. Things are abating in Seattle - I'm told by my son who lives there, mainly because of the earlier ban from China. It will take a little longer in New York.

Excellent take on the test kit thing too, Bobblehead. I guess the only ones who think that way are you, I, and most of the good normal portion of the population.

[mraynrand]

Worth reading for perspective:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-03-20/coronavirus-pandemic-overshadows-a-deadly-flu-season?context=amp&__twitter_impression=true

[texaspackerbacker]

Gosh, why is that so under-reported? 22,000 deaths, 144 of them kids, just in the U.S., just since last Autumn

I look forward to seeing the comments of the whiner(s) and corona panic-mongers who claim to be so concerned for their kids - literally none of which has died from the corona thing, as well as the asshole who claims to be so full of empathy (he's full of something, all right).

[call_me_ishmael]

Worth reading for perspective:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-n...mpression=true

You obviously don’t have kids in school if you think flu was being ignored. Pewaukee has record absences due to flu this year and sent out literally daily emails about it. I bet Brookfield was the same, Nutz can confirm. It was for sure not ignored. My kid got influenza B - but he was vaccinated prior so it wasn’t so bad beyond 5 days on the couch. My idiot Dad who didn’t get vaccinated was out of work for almost two weeks from it. Amazingly the baby and the two year didn’t get it from the four year old.

[George Cumby]

Gosh. I wonder why?

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_2

“ Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.”

[bobblehead]

I am not so sure I agree. People think "this is the flu" or "this is nothing" because of the President's commentary. If he would get on the horn and say "this is very serious, these are the steps were taking, and we're doing a nation wide shut-down for the next 4 weeks. You will be fined 10,000 dollars if you're out in public outside of reasons X, Y, and Z", I believe that would people would take it extremely seriously and lock themselves in (as they should be). It's the lack of federal action, in my opinion, that is making this a "partisan" issue and seeing people violating the social distancing recommendations.

I can tell you that my moron radicalized right wing neighbor keeps walking past my house trying to talk my kids after posting in our neighborhood group about how this is nothing and society is overreacting. What a dumb fucking cunt. My wife gave me the go ahead to spray Raid at her and I absolutely fucking will if she or her little cunty ass pooch Oreo step foot on my soil. You just know a DFC like that is out at every restaurant and store canoodling it up with people spreading germs all over town. Selfish cunt. The only way she'll listen and follow is if Trump himself executes a federal lock-down, since "Tony Evers is in on it too".

Stop with the bullshit. I can't get past your first sentence without you taking a shot at the president. People think its not a big deal because they haven't seen anyone they know sick yet. People think its the flu because the media has and will tell any lie to hurt the president and they have zero credibility left. You love to tell me what the president hasn't done, but how about addressing the 12,500 dead from h1n1 under Obama's watch. I don't recall the media or anyone else being upset.

In your very next sentence you want him to become the authoritarian dictator you have accused him of being for 3+ years. Lord help us if your ilk is ever in power during this type of situation. Based on everything I have ever read that you wrote your neighbor is probably a sweetheart of a lady.

[bobblehead]

I mean, it's anywhere where there's dense population and significant testing.

Over half the cases in the nation are in NY.

[bobblehead]

Another excellent post, Bobblehead.

The kids playing basketball in the park just illustrates what regular people think of the "threat" of this thing - which panic-mongers portray as so bad. A certain major whiner in here likes to claim it is the older people thinking like that, and his side has young ones thinking like them hahahahaha. The tennis court closest to my home got turned into a basketball court - which originally pissed me off, but the fact is, it gets a lot more use now, filled with teens and other young guys especially with no school.

The shithead decision makers don't want people close together in grocery stores, so they let them wait in line outside; That illustrates the logic of the panic-mongers hahahahaha.

New York is what it is because a lot of Europeans came in there before the travel ban. Things are abating in Seattle - I'm told by my son who lives there, mainly because of the earlier ban from China. It will take a little longer in New York.

Excellent take on the test kit thing too, Bobblehead. I guess the only ones who think that way are you, I, and most of the good normal portion of the population.

Except I am taking it way more seriously than you are. I do think people should stay away from each other for the time being. I have to walk my dog, but I never get within 10 yards of anyone and I wash my hands the minute I get home. this has a significant kill rate. If we go about like nothing is happening 100's of thousands die. Kids should NOT be playing basketball....even close friends.

[bobblehead]

Gosh. I wonder why?

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_2

“ Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.”

I don't buy certain numbers from the CDC. If normal flu is .1% and we lose 30k a year on average and we only lost 12.5k to h1n1 which we did virtually nothing to stop and only had 60.8 million cases then something doesn't add up.

Edit: Just looked it up to be sure. H1n1 From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

From that article. So far this season, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recorded 36 million flu cases in the U.S., with 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths. So this years NORMAL flu has killed almost 2x more people in almost half the cases as H1N1 did...something not adding up. This years normal flu was 3x more deadly than H1N1.