More Banjo: Coronavirus And Sports

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Well, it may be wrong, but it's not splitting hairs. 45% of the dead counted as corona deaths had 3 other illnesses. So it's entirely possible that they died of from one or more of those illnesses.

But isn't the fact they had other conditions just putting them in a higher risk factor for coronavirus? I think it is a stretch they died of one of their other conditions, but more along the lines of coronavirus killed them because they had the other conditions. At least, that is what I am seeing reported by the medical dudes in other countries. But this is not a battle I want to fight, you may be right.

[hoosier]

This is an Oxford study which is the model I was proposing several days ago, based on reports of very high transmission. If the virus is highly transmissible, it's very likely a lot more people are already infected.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-...f-41bea055720b

That's a nice, reassuring hypothesis but how does it explain the sudden skyrocketing numbers in places like Washington and NYC?

[mraynrand]

That's a nice, reassuring hypothesis but how does it explain the sudden skyrocketing numbers in places like Washington and NYC?

Yeah, that’s the problem. Testing should pick up lots of cases but severe and lethal cases shouldn’t be as high. Not good.

[LEWCWA]

These critiques are reasonable but...



I don't believe this for a second. You'd be all over him.

I would disagree, but I would at least respect he had certain conviction....I can disagree with you vehemently and still respect your opinion is different than mine....I readily admit that just letting this thing run it's course like Tex believes is a viable opinion, I just think it is wrong. At least until you can show me that we have peaked and have some idea what kind of numbers we are really dealing with.....I don't think we really have a clue as of yet...

[Fosco33]

Do the models account for 3-5 day test backlogs. Once we are in 24hr turns - the models will be ‘cleaner’. Some of this ‘skyrocketing’ is just backlog reduction. Look for the weekly trends as much as daily...

[mraynrand]

From the same country that gave you corona, now comes a new bird flu. Enjoy!

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200203/China-reports-H5N1-bird-flu-in-Hunan-amid-coronavirus-crisis.aspx

[mraynrand]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30229968/

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30229968/

Isn't it weird that everybody was saying wearing a mask did not help when we had a shortage of masks?

[George Cumby]

Every photo from China during this shows every one wearing a mask.

Hmm.

[mraynrand]

Isn't it weird that everybody was saying wearing a mask did not help when we had a shortage of masks?

Well that was before knowing the extent. It’s not generally gonna help you to wear a mask. But when there’s a widespread illness that appears to be infectious for a sig period before symptoms or even without symptoms, stopping those people from splattering on you makes sense.

[bobblehead]

Just asking ...... if those death numbers - the 22,000 this flu season for example and similar numbers other years meant death from all kinds of flu, in other words, H1N1 being a subset of the whole thing, would the figures then ring true? I hate to ever agree with CMI hahahahaha, but I also doubt the CDC intentionally lies about numbers. It's too easy to check.

If 60.8 million were infected and only 12.5k died, the numbers don't compute in any universe. H1N1 is more deadly than the normal flu. At a minimum 60.8k should have died if 60.8 million were infected (60,800,000 X .001). They either lied about the infected or the dead....or give me another valid reason the deadly virus was 4.5x less deadly than seasonal flu.

[bobblehead]

Here's something I didn't know:

The 1918 pandemic was H1N1.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...emic-h1n1.html

the 1918 influenza was avian in origin, it can't be the same as 2009 swine flu. I admit to being confused.

[bobblehead]

I understand this is your opinion, but that is a big part of the problem, you phrase it like it is fact. Thing is the guy who is supposed to be leading the charge in this is doing the same things. He states opinions daily as facts, his attention span compare to that of a kindergarten student...One day this is nothing and the few cases will be down to close to 0 next week, I saved countless lives banning travel from China, Uh oh this is getting pretty bad lets follow cdc guidelines to slow this thing down, hmmm the "cure" is now worse than the disease, and so on and so on. He is all over the map and his people are afraid to step on his toes when he floats opinion and fallacy.

You know at the end of the day I would have more respect for him if he had just dug his heals in and stayed his first course come hell or high water. The leader doesn't lead.

All opinions are phrased as fact. I thought you were sharp enough to realize when I say testing would have done nothing you know you are reading an opinion. Its a logic based opinion that I backed up with fact though. Even people diagnosed refuse to self quarantine. It happened before and it always will. That is a fact. You could have tested the entire nation and maybe it helps some. But in the end, its also not realistic to test everyone who is asymptomatic. NOT POSSIBLE. First you need everyone to cooperate. Second, up to 30% of people are asymptomatic. That means a lot of people are going to ignore any form or quarantine because they wouldn't bother getting tested.
Proof:

https://time.com/3548847/kaci-hickox-ebola-nurse-quarantine-bike-ride/

SHE IS A FUCKING NURSE!!!

[bobblehead]

I don't buy certain numbers from the CDC. If normal flu is .1% and we lose 30k a year on average and we only lost 12.5k to h1n1 which we did virtually nothing to stop and only had 60.8 million cases then something doesn't add up.

Edit: Just looked it up to be sure. H1n1 From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

From that article. So far this season, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has recorded 36 million flu cases in the U.S., with 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths. So this years NORMAL flu has killed almost 2x more people in almost half the cases as H1N1 did...something not adding up. This years normal flu was 3x more deadly than H1N1.

As far as I understand- correct me if I'm wrong-- H1N1 is now part of our seasonal flu cocktail.

don't care. they said 60.8 million were infected. The cocktail failed on them. if they got it. .1% (or more from h1n1) should have died. It would be different if they never got it.

[George Cumby]

the 1918 influenza was avian in origin, it can't be the same as 2009 swine flu. I admit to being confused.

Looks like the CDC needs to edit their article:

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(avian-and-other-zoonotic)

"Humans can be infected with avian, swine and other zoonotic influenza viruses, such as avian influenza virus subtypes A(H5N1), A(H7N9), and A(H9N2) and swine influenza virus subtypes A(H1N1), A(H1N2) and A(H3N2)."