Columbine-like situation averted in GB

[MJZiggy]

ahaha, your theory holds a LOT of merit and if these shootings had happened in NYC or another big city, I would completely agree that this is why they're happening, but these happened in the middle of nowhere. The western Wis one happened in a town of what? 300? in the middle of farmland, another in a dinky little mountain town in Colorado and if you've ever been to Amish country, it is peaceful quiet pastureland. Most of these people don't even own cars and the largest distraction they have there besides tourists is the Strasburg Railroad. It's just that the steam engine makes some noise. No density there at all. Doesn't mean I'm not on board with the theory on overpopulation. I absolutely agree that there are too many people on the planet.

[ahaha]

ahaha, your theory holds a LOT of merit and if these shootings had happened in NYC or another big city, I would completely agree that this is why they're happening, but these happened in the middle of nowhere. The western Wis one happened in a town of what? 300? in the middle of farmland, another in a dinky little mountain town in Colorado and if you've ever been to Amish country, it is peaceful quiet pastureland. Most of these people don't even own cars and the largest distraction they have there besides tourists is the Strasburg Railroad. It's just that the steam engine makes some noise. No density there at all. Doesn't mean I'm not on board with the theory on overpopulation. I absolutely agree that there are too many people on the planet.

My parents live in Amish country. They're not immune from hatred. Plenty of people in the area hate them. But, this is beside the point, because the guy who shot them up said it wasn't about them being Amish, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Smaller communities might not seem overcrowded, but compared to a natural world with no civilization, they are. My whole view on why the world is so f@#ked up is because of this gross overpopulation of the planet. Most people adapt and deal with the stresses that come with this, but it's only natural to have these rare cases of someone who can't. Even with these three incidents in one week, it's still extremely rare.

[GBRulz]

The Amish are hated by alot of people? That's actually very shocking to me. While I don't live directly in a city with them, there is a large base of them living 20-30 minutes outside GB. I don't know one person that has a problem with the Amish. I'm certainly not saying there are people who don't like them, but I've honestly not heard of any.

[woodbuck27]

"I absolutely agree that there are too many people on the planet." MJZiggy

...and your response to that would be "of course" more attention to educating the Worlds mass's or underdeveloped countries etc. "in proper means" of taking advantage "of available and best methods of birth control" MJ?

[ahaha]

The Amish are hated by alot of people? That's actually very shocking to me. While I don't live directly in a city with them, there is a large base of them living 20-30 minutes outside GB. I don't know one person that has a problem with the Amish. I'm certainly not saying there are people who don't like them, but I've honestly not heard of any.

Most people in my hometown area don't care, but there are a significant amount who want them to leave. They don't pay all the taxes that the rest of us pay. That angers some people, especially farmers struggling to make a living. They also like to ignore hunting and property regulations. A lot of Amish hunt deer year round, and at night, and without qualms about doing it on their neighbor's private land. The DNR hasn't done much to stop this. Since they started moving in to our area in the late 80's, our deer population has been decimated, even though the rest of the state has reported record numbers. There are a lot of deer hunters in my hometown, and a lot of them are pissed about this. Personally, I think the Amish are nice people, although I think their religion is silly. Whenever my dad or grandma does something nice for them, they're quick to drop off some fresh baked goodies on the doorstep.

[woodbuck27]

ahaha, your theory holds a LOT of merit and if these shootings had happened in NYC or another big city, I would completely agree that this is why they're happening, but these happened in the middle of nowhere. The western Wis one happened in a town of what? 300? in the middle of farmland, another in a dinky little mountain town in Colorado and if you've ever been to Amish country, it is peaceful quiet pastureland. Most of these people don't even own cars and the largest distraction they have there besides tourists is the Strasburg Railroad. It's just that the steam engine makes some noise. No density there at all. Doesn't mean I'm not on board with the theory on overpopulation. I absolutely agree that there are too many people on the planet.

My parents live in Amish country. They're not immune from hatred. Plenty of people in the area hate them. But, this is beside the point, because the guy who shot them up said it wasn't about them being Amish, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Smaller communities might not seem overcrowded, but compared to a natural world with no civilization, they are. My whole view on why the world is so f@#ked up is because of this gross overpopulation of the planet. Most people adapt and deal with the stresses that come with this, but it's only natural to have these rare cases of someone who can't. Even with these three incidents in one week, it's still extremely rare.

People such as the man that perpetrate such crimes against the innocent are " the lost people".

Lost as OUR Society can't really support or otherwise assist them.

It's a catch 22.

Those alone... in the severe destruction and dysfunction in their lives, because they can't find "a way to cry out for help" and become lost in the darkness of their severely damaged ego's and crippling neurosis.

This man admitted to being a child molester in his past. I perceive/guess that he couldn't live with his guilt?

The puzzling fact is.

If that... he had gone so in distain of himself, and couldn't seek help because (of possibly) the stigma attached to, and punishment he deserved to suffer associated with his BLACK deeds?

Why? Did he harm others in his psychpathy and not simply take his own life.

Therein, lies the answer.

[MJZiggy]

"I absolutely agree that there are too many people on the planet." MJZiggy

...and your response to that would be "of course" more attention to educating the Worlds mass's or underdeveloped countries etc. "in proper means" of taking advantage "of available and best methods of birth control" MJ?

Among other things. Yes. There is a lot of important education that must take place in the world and not just about birth control.

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This man admitted to being a child molester in his past. I perceive/guess that he couldn't live with his guilt?

The puzzling fact is.

If that... he had gone so in distain of himself, and couldn't seek help because (of possibly) the stigma attached to, and punishment he deserved to suffer associated with his BLACK deeds?

Why? Did he harm others in his psychpathy and not simply take his own life.

Therein, lies the answer.

This is just a guess, because who really knows what goes on in the head of a madman, but I don't think he was overrun with guilt. If that were the case, he probably would have just done himself in. I think after the tradgedies he endured and the fact he knew the world would think him a monster, he just got fed up and flipped. I think this act was a statement from this maniac, and that statement was "F@#k you world!"

[woodbuck27]

Why has the World gome Mad?

I just happened to stumble upon this:

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=44485

... as I was surfing for some info. It's stuff like this, that contributes to the derth of OUR Society in Communities big and small.

I believe that, it comes down to who you are in regards to respect for others through self respect.

Self respect is a big factor of who you are, in terms of your environmentle upbringing; and how you are able to cope, as you mature with all the positive or negative consequences of that important bearing on your life. Your home environment.

"We can't choose OUR parents."

The fortunate are raised in homes that are overall truly healthy and groom the offspring to be of good self esteem and to go on to be positive contributors to society.Hopefully. To grow or mature to live a holistic life.These parents make their children/teens a priority

Isn't that all, so well and nice.

The reality exists, that many people aren't so fortunate and suffer incredible degrees and sorts of abuse. These young people begin their lives living and trying to learn in a dysfunctional primary environment. These people are abused in certain ways and degrees,and go on to in alot of cases abuse those they contact or attempt to love. Unless they have the foresight and fortunate means of getting help to heal, and consequently live their lives now better equipped to break that cycle of abuse.

Today it's not even that simple, as the pressures of OUR society make certain demands on parenting difficult. Thus we are realizing that the children and teens are often ignored or left to their own and often inadequate means. Too often, parents are too tired to accept all the responsibilities of adequate to proper parenting.

Thus OUR children are often "latch key" and have to try to manage their OWN early childhood and teenage development, with all the pressures and demands on then that the dark side of OUR society challenges them with. Do so alone or with the good or bad advice of their peer group.

We see the influence of peer pressure on OUR youth.The influence of easy access to alcohol and drugs. Teens being teens arn't normally going to inform the negligent parent, that they are in trouble from subjection to one form of possible negative peer pressure or another.

These children/teens loose respect for their primary caregivers, the parents, and in too many cases the single parent as well. These lost children/teens are often not mature enough, not responsible enough to cope. They grow up fast... but right?

We hear of those low esteem'd children/teens, " looking for love in all the wrong places" and all the consequences of that path.

Where is OUR society today compared to mine... in terms of faith... but overall, crippled /lost?

Religion had lost it's grip om OUR moral Society and it's reported is making a comeback, but will that spread to grab the attention of those falling by the wayside?

How to reach out to these lost children/teens? That is a challenging question.

OUR children/teens need good and proper mentors in the unfortunate absence of the often overworked and too tired parents/parent. That means that parents must ensure these proper mentors, by entering and supporting their children/teens in beneficial programs.

Programs like the YMCA/YWCA, "the Rotory Club, Religious Youth groups, Junior Achievement, Minor league sports of all sorts, martial arts etc.
Parents must ensure that their childrens /teens internet activities are healthy and not destructive or on a path to danger otherwise. Censorship of Internet activities must be made a possible response to inproper use of the Internet. How's that? By examining your childs/teens internet use. Parents need to pay attention.

Children today in the larger inner Cities, have to deal with ruthless gangs and other teens with guns (and other weapons) that they'll use without a lick of thought...

Our teams grow up in a dangerous environment and as Parents and mentors we need to ask alot of questions and show a real intereest in OUR children/teens activities/interests.

Need I go on?... I think not.

[justanotherpackfan]

Why has the World gome Mad?I OUR children/teens need good and proper mentors in the unfortunate absence of the often overworked and too tired parents/parent. That means that parents must ensure these proper mentors, by entering and supporting their children/teens in beneficial programs.

Programs like the YMCA/YWCA, "the Rotory Club, Religious Youth groups, Junior Achievement, Minor league sports of all sorts, martial arts etc.
Parents must ensure that their childrens /teens internet activities are healthy and not destructive or on a path to danger otherwise. Censorship of Internet activities must be made a possible response to inproper use of the Internet. How's that? By examining your childs/teens internet use. Parents need to pay attention.

Children today in the larger inner Cities, have to deal with ruthless gangs and other teens with guns (and other weapons) that they'll use without a lick of thought...

Our teams grow up in a dangerous environment and as Parents and mentors we need to ask alot of questions and show a real intereest inOUR children/teens activities/interests.

Need I go on...

All I know is, 50 Cent ain't no mentor.

[woodbuck27]

This man admitted to being a child molester in his past. I perceive/guess that he couldn't live with his guilt?

The puzzling fact is.

If that... he had gone so in distain of himself, and couldn't seek help because (of possibly) the stigma attached to, and punishment he deserved to suffer associated with his BLACK deeds?

Why? Did he harm others in his psychpathy and not simply take his own life.

Therein, lies the answer.

This is just a guess, because who really knows what goes on in the head of a madman, but I don't think he was overrun with guilt. If that were the case, he probably would have just done himself in. I think after the tradgedies he endured and the fact he knew the world would think him a monster, he just got fed up and flipped. I think this act was a statement from this maniac, and that statement was "F@#k you world!"

I believe your take certinly can't be far off what was in this man's head. Police discovered that he had in his possession all he needed to commission a terrible crime on the Amish school children and he was prepared to hold these school children hostage and it certainly appears to sexually molest them.

He flipped in his agony/guilt and became a monster.

I have a possible solution for these sexual deviants but "the LAW " likely wouldn't HOLD for it.

I have alot more to post here but I have to review this thread for content first. I found "a whack of material"... on this matter.

It really bothers me "this insane stuff", that makes victims of totally innocent people.

It hits me close to home ahaha, having just experienced another school shooting (with one murder victim, and I believe it was a number in the late teens (of others seriously wounded) in "the Dawson College"shooting here in Montreal, in the past month.

This is the third shooting murder in a school here in the past 2 decades.One shooting took the Life of a number of College women (the number murdered was in the teens) Very shocking!!

I posted a thread on this terrible tragedy a few weeks ago.This stuff forces me to question how this could happen?

[woodbuck27]

Why has the World gome Mad?I OUR children/teens need good and proper mentors in the unfortunate absence of the often overworked and too tired parents/parent. That means that parents must ensure these proper mentors, by entering and supporting their children/teens in beneficial programs.

Programs like the YMCA/YWCA, "the Rotory Club, Religious Youth groups, Junior Achievement, Minor league sports of all sorts, martial arts etc.
Parents must ensure that their childrens /teens internet activities are healthy and not destructive or on a path to danger otherwise. Censorship of Internet activities must be made a possible response to inproper use of the Internet. How's that? By examining your childs/teens internet use. Parents need to pay attention.

Children today in the larger inner Cities, have to deal with ruthless gangs and other teens with guns (and other weapons) that they'll use without a lick of thought...

Our teams grow up in a dangerous environment and as Parents and mentors we need to ask alot of questions and show a real intereest inOUR children/teens activities/interests.

Need I go on...

All I know is, 50 Cent ain't no mentor.

Yup ! I'm certainly not down on Rap music.

Alot of it pure CRAP..Evil shit for the wrong minds.

BallHawk IMO,had some accurate commentary on that crap justanotherpackfan.

I am a huge BallHawk fan on this Forum. He's an amazing young fella.

[woodbuck27]

School Violence in North America


A timeline of tragedy. Violent incidents at schools since 1975. That represents 96 Murders.

See the following Link for timeline and ALL related Stories:

http://news.sympatico.msn.ca/SpecialFeatures/Articles/SchoolViolence

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[justanotherpackfan]

http://nbc15.madison.com/news/headlines/4317527.html

Waukesha high school student faces expulsion for threat

The 15-year-old boy was arrested on a possible charge of disorderly conduct.

Principal Ryan Champeau says the student was heard making another threat Tuesday while leaving the school and was taken into custody Wednesday.

AP
A Waukesha high school sophomore is facing expulsion for making threats of violence. North High School officials say the boy wanted to do ``another Columbine.''