Who says Dems play at demagoguery politics?

[mraynrand]

The connection between the war in Iraq and Islamic terrorism is hazy and complicated. Initially there was zero connection.

What do you mean by initially? before Saddam had the 1993 WTC bombers as his guests? Before the 1993 WTC bombing when he supplied them with passports. Or after 911 and after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, when Zarqawi fled to Iraq and Saddam not only allowed him into the country but allowed him to get medical treatment. There certainly was a long history of Saddam being involved in Islamic terrorism - even if he had nothing to do with the planning and execution of 9/11 itself. ask the Palestinian families who received cash in exchange for detonating their children in Israel.

[swede]

People of color are not allowed to listen to Republicans respectfully. Only "Uncle Toms" would do such a thing.

Far better to listen to John Edwards bloviate about all the black young men being dead or in prison with'n out they vote for him.

And that is all the problem-solving you're gonna get out of that dude. He has carefully staked out the brain dead portion of the Democratic party with some success, and that is no small constituency!

I'd rather have Bill as my first lady than to have that buffoon anywhere near the oval office.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So you don't like Edwards because he is reinforcing a sense of victimhood among blacks. How did he do that other than to say that blacks are victims, being assured of being either dead or in prison. You constantly contradict yourself.

I didn't like anything that he said. But his message was not "vote for me or you will die", that is an exaggeration, he was speaking figuratively. You have to LISTEN to the entire response. A couple sentences taken out of context, interpreted literally, do not tell you much.

[mraynrand]

is a dramatic difference between the approach of Kerry and Bush to Islamic terrorism. There exists to day a dramatic gulf between the parties on this issue, Iraq excluded.

I am open to any example. I see little difference between Dems and Republicans. Little difference between United States and Europe.

I feel like I'm talking to John Edwards' second-grader. How about Guantanamo? How about monitoring foreign al quaeda calls into the U.S.? etc. etc. The Republicans have a completely different view than the Moveons.

[mraynrand]

So you don't like Edwards because he is reinforcing a sense of victimhood among blacks. How did he do that other than to say that blacks are victims, being assured of being either dead or in prison. You constantly contradict yourself.

I didn't like anything that he said. But his message was not "vote for me or you will die", that is an exaggeration, he was speaking figuratively. You have to LISTEN to the entire response. A couple sentences taken out of context, interpreted literally, do not tell you much.

So what? Who cares if it was figuratively. According to you, you didn't like how he reinforced a sense of victimhood (FIGURATIVELY or otherwise), yet you're at the same time trying to argue that he wasn't doing that to begin. He did exactly what you said you didn't like.

I'm sure he was speaking FIGURATIVELY when he said paralytics would walk again when Kerry was elected or was speaking FIGURATIVELY when he said a second grader could assess values on their own, but FIGURATIVELY or not, they are shamless, morally corrupt, stupid things to say. FIGURATIVELY speaking, that is.

[Harlan Huckleby]

How about Guantanamo? How about monitoring foreign al quaeda calls into the U.S.? etc. etc. The Republicans have a completely different view than the Moveons.

What does Guantanamo have to do with anything? Many people of both parties want to close Guantanamo. McCain wants to close Guantanamo.

NOBODY is against monitoring foreign al quaeda calls. There are procedural question.

Republicans try and simplify and polarize. They claim to be champions of fighting terror, then they extend that to say anyone who questions their methods are against fighting terror. So shallow.

[mraynrand]

Republicans try and simplify and polarize. They claim to be champions of fighting terror, then they extend that to say anyone who questions their methods are against fighting terror. So shallow.

So you admit there is a difference.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So what? Who cares if it was figuratively. According to you, you didn't like how he reinforced a sense of victimhood (FIGURATIVELY or otherwise), yet you're at the same time trying to argue that he wasn't doing that to begin. He did exactly what you said you didn't like.

I'm sure he was speaking FIGURATIVELY when he said paralytics would walk again when Kerry was elected or was speaking FIGURATIVELY when he said a second grader could assess values on their own, but FIGURATIVELY or not, they are shamless, morally corrupt, stupid things to say. FIGURATIVELY speaking, that is.

Enforcing a sense of victimhood is one thing.
Telling people they will die if they don't vote for you is another.

[MJZiggy]

Harlan, who is your representative on the State level?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't follow state legislature much, but I guess it is Fred Risser, a democrat as old as the hills.

[SkinBasket]

Once again, thank you for deciding what I think and feel, Harlan. I know it's easy and convenient for you to argue against yourself that way. You're very good at it, and I'm surprised it took you this long to resort to telling me what I think then telling me why I shouldn't think what you've decided I think.

You have a problem with Edward's speech because you see blacks as morons. You engage in ridiculous and false hyperbole by refashioning his words as, "Vote for me or you'll perish!", implying that black people are dumb enough to believe this..

Who's "refashioning his words?" You're the one who chooses to interpret and decode what he's "really" saying instead of taking it at face value.

I guess it's easier to do that and label me a racist than it is to consider why 9/10 blacks vote for a party that hasn't done a goddamn thing for them except watch their communities slowly self-destruct for the past 20 or 30 years.

But whatever, I guess there's nothing wrong with thinking that 90% of black people think the same way, right? I mean, it's not like Saddam who was able to round up that last 10% of the vote by implementing a "vote for me or you and your family will die" political strategy. At least Edwards is giving them the option of going to jail.

[MJZiggy]

I don't follow state legislature much, but I guess it is Fred Risser, a democrat as old as the hills.

Thanks.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Who says Dems play at demagoguery politics?

Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards said if he wasn’t elected president, the population of African-American males is likely to either wind up in prison or dead.

he didn't say this, you fabricated it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, who is your representative on the State level?

is your gynecologist a democrat or republican?

[MJZiggy]

From what I can tell, Democrat.