2006 Live DRAFT Thread

[Tarlam!]

How do I get my rat name to say something other than starter rat?

I think you have to ask Pepe.

And, at what level do you get a custom name? At some point, I'd like one - I could be Packer Hawk .

In case you weren't aware, Fosco, Hawks tend to eat Rats.

Not sure that'll fly around here!

[packrulz]

I'm hoping TT can focus on some offensive playmakers today, maybe QB/RB/WR/TE.

[packrulz]

Best Available - Day Two

1. Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
2. Darnell Bing, S, Southern Cal
3. Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
4. Jonathan Scott, OT, Texas
5. Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Georgia
6. Jonathan Lewis, DT, Virginia Tech
7. Demetrius Williams, WR, Oregon
8. Ryan O'Callaghan, OT, California
9. Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas
10. Mark Anderson, DE, Alabama
11. Martin Nance, WR, Miami (OH)
12. Ray Edwards, DE, Purdue 13. Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
14. Spencer Havner, OLB, U.C.L.A.
15. DeMario Minter, CB, Georgia
16. Pat Watkins, S, Florida St.
17. Orien Harris, DT, Miami (FL)
18. Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green
19. Stanley McClover, DE, Auburn
20. Dee Webb, CB, Florida
21. Marcus Hudson, S, North Carolina St.
22. Alan Zemaitis, CB, Penn St.
23. Kai Parham, ILB, Virginia
24. Reggie McNeal, QB, Texas A&M

[outflow]

Good Morning Rats.

[Tarlam!]

Good Morning Rats.

Not for me. Where I am, it is 4:20 pm!

When does the draft start today?

[packrulz]

11:00, it will go faster today.

[MJZiggy]

Good Morning. (Good afternoon, Tarlam). It starts at 11:00 ET.

[jklowan]

Bing & Williams

[Guiness]

Damn, Realplayer sucks. I've got video but no sound..

Look for RealAlternative. Uses and old version of Windows Media player, and some ripped RealMedia codecs and works real well. None of the crappy bells, whistles and adware of the 'official' versions, but all the core functionality.

I've been using it for some time.

[Guiness]

I'm here for the draft today. I was out yesterday at a tournament, so read through most of the thread when I got back.

I didn't hear anything about the draft, so I sat down around 11pm and waded through this commentary and pretended I was following it real time 8-)
It was actually kind of fun, because I really didn't know what was going to happen until I read about it on this thread! I was actually all tense to see what was going to go down when the possibility of trade with NO was being discussed, although it had died hours before, of course.

[Guiness]

Ok, funniest things I saw on this thread yesterday. And there were quite a few...

Swede's post about that FIB Ditka being dragged out of our draft room.

Someone (Cyclone? imscott?) saying Rodgers should call Leinart and say 'welcome to my world'!

Rastak loosing consiouness when the Queens picked Ryan Cook. Everyone wanted Hodge, GB and Mn each had two picks, and no one grabbed him!!!

Tank saying he was looking like a genius.

[GBRulz]

I'm hoping we can get some offense today. At least one more WR and I guess we need a QB at some point...or do you think TT will just invite some undrafted QB's into camp?

[GrnBay007]

A big thanks to all those that posted the bio/stats on the picks GB took yesterday....during the draft and after. It's nice to be able to come to one place for so much info.

[outflow]

He's of the Wolf philosophy, take one QB a draft. What QB though? Take a chance on the Northwestern QB late, spelling slips me at the moment.

[Deputy Nutz]

Owen Daniels goes to the Texans with the first pick of the fourth round

Max Jean Gilles goes to Philly with the 2nd pick.

[Bretsky]

Owen Daniels goes to the Texans with the first pick of the fourth round

Max Jean Gilles goes to Philly with the 2nd pick.

Another Badger gone; Bernstein is my only hope.

I really wish TT'd have taken the TE Byrd from USC yesterday instead of giving the pick away for a 4th and 6th.

[Deputy Nutz]

8 tight ends went on the first day, and Daniel now makes nine. I thought as many as 10 TEs could go on the first day, I wasn't to far off.

Apparently the 49ers are taking a QB. I think it might be Vick.

[Guiness]

Good, someone else posted so I don't look like a dweeb for making 4 posts in a row!

How long between picks now? I think it should be like speed chess. 30 seconds each, don't make your pick, you lose it. Then we could see teams like GB with 30 something coaches doing well, and a guy like Vermiel (I know, he's gone) dropping to the floor on the way to the mike. The next guy would have to hurdle over him, a la Hendo to get to the mike.

The real fun would begin if Art Shell landed on Vermeil, and broke some of his ribs... :twisted:

[KYPack]

Either Ko Simpson or Max Jean-Gilles would nbe fine with me.

I had been hoping for Hawk with the first and Max Jean-Gilles with our 2nd.

We got Hodge, Hawk & good Oline prospects?

Great draft.

[Deputy Nutz]

Micheal Robinson!!! announced as a running back!

[Rastak]

Morning guys and gals....Robinson is off the board I see....

[GrnBay007]

They are only on the clock 5 minutes today....will move alot faster

[packrulz]

I was hoping for Daniels. By the way, audio is on www.620wtmj.com

[Bretsky]

Either Ko Simpson or Max Jean-Gilles would nbe fine with me.

I had been hoping for Hawk with the first and Max Jean-Gilles with our 2nd.

We got Hodge, Hawk & good Oline prospects?

Great draft.

Ko Simpson
Darnell Bing
Demetrius Williams


All good picks here.


Giles just would not fit in with our blocking scheme; plus he just got picked.

[Rastak]

Bing to Da Raidas.....

[CyclonePackFan]

I'll lay claim to the "welcome to my world" quote.

I wouldn't mind if we tabbed Ko Simpson here.

[Bretsky]

I'll lay claim to the "welcome to my world" quote.

I wouldn't mind if we tabbed Ko Simpson here.

Simpson or Demetrius Williams


SO WHICH UNKNOWN WILL TT PICK ?????? I bet a small schooler

[Bretsky]

Jets draft Brad Smith

[Deputy Nutz]

Jets take Brad Smith and announce him as a running back as well! He ain't gonna like that.

[Rastak]

I'll lay claim to the "welcome to my world" quote.

I wouldn't mind if we tabbed Ko Simpson here.

That would be a good pick.....

[CyclonePackFan]

Jets tab Brad Smith...

Another really fast QB who is probably suited to play RB/WR

[Bretsky]

Prediction- TT drafts Omar Jacobs

[Deputy Nutz]

FRED MATUA!!!!!!

What do you know? Thewy went to a commercial with the Packers picking.

GABE WATSON!!!

[Bretsky]

I'll lay claim to the "welcome to my world" quote.

I wouldn't mind if we tabbed Ko Simpson here.

That would be a good pick.....

Rastak, the Viking fan endorsed it. Come on TT. Williams or Simpson !!

[imscott72]

Bastards and they're damn commercials

[GrnBay007]

damn commercials :evil:

[CyclonePackFan]

Bastards and they're damn commercials

Local ones too so there's no ESPN scrollbar...

[Bretsky]

FRED MATUA!!!!!!

What do you know? Thewy went to a commercial with the Packers picking.

GABE WATSON!!!

Fred Matua would be a good pick, but we already have two new OG's. Watson is a lazy ass

[CyclonePackFan]

We got...

CORY RODGERS!!!!


YES!!!

[imscott72]

Top returning wide receiver and kick/punt returner for the Frogs... earned third team all-Conference USA recognition in 2004 as both a wide receiver and kick returner and in 2003 as a punt returner... exciting athlete who has the potential to go the distance every time he touches the ball... his 98 career catches are the most in school history for a player with just two years of playing time and rank 11th on the school's all-time receptions list... owns five 100-yard receiving games... has made 14 starts over his first two seasons.

2004:
Earned third team all-Conference USA recognition as both a wide receiver and kick returner... finished the season with 61 catches for 836 yards and seven touchdowns... also rushed 12 times for 35 yards and two scores... returned 31 kickoffs for 723 yards (a 23.3 yard average-3rd in the league) and 18 punts for 183 yards (a 10.2 yard average-5th in the league)... his 61 catches was the third-highest single season total in school history and the high mark for a wide receiver, while his 836 yards was the fourth-highest single season total... ranked fourth in the league in receptions per game (5.55), sixth in receiving yards per game (76.0) and third in all-purpose yardage per game (161.5)... caught a then-career-high seven passes for 80 yards at Army... topped that with eight receptions at UAB... caught seven passes for 100 yards, including a 62-yard scoring pass against Houston... set school records of 229 yards of total returns (breaking the record of 167 set by Lindy Berry in 1947) and 191 kickoff return yards at Louisville... caught seven passes for 106 yards and a touchdown against Southern Miss... recorded a career-high 10 catches for 141 yards against Tulane... had four 100-yard receiving games, including each of the last three contests.

2003:
Earned third team all-conference honors as a punt returner and was named to the Conference USA all-Freshman squad as both a wide receiver and punt returner... collegefootballnews.com listed him on their first team Freshman all-America squad... led the team and was fourth in the league in all-purpose yardage, averaging 114.6 yards per game... second on the team in receiving with 37 catches for 590 yards, an average of 15.9 yards per catch... also rushed 17 times for 39 yards... had five receiving touchdowns and three rushing TDs... caught his first touchdown pass, a 15-yard scoring strike from Brandon Hassell, in the win over Army... caught a 43-yard touchdown pass from Tye Gunn in the win at USF... had the best game of his career and the ninth best receiving game in TCU history when he caught six passes for 171 yards at Houston... scored three touchdowns in that contest - 48- and 60-yard pass receptions and a 1-yard run... scored twice in the bowl game against Boise State... averaged 11.0 yards per return on punts, third in the conference, and 22.1 yards per return on kickoffs, sixth in the league... broke the school record for total kick return yards in a season with 861 (352 on punts and 509 on kickoffs), breaking the mark set by Davey O'Brien in 1937 (787).

2002:
Redshirted as a true freshman as he made the transition from prep quarterback to wide receiver.

High School:
Was a dual threat quarterback at Hightower High... responsible for 62 touchdowns (37 passing and 25 rushing) and over 5,000 yards of offense in his final two campaigns... was a pre-season all-state selection... earned all-district honors as both a junior and senior... listed among the Texas Prep Top 100... high school coach was Kevin O'Keefe... selected TCU over Syracuse, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Tulsa, Arizona State, LSU and Arkansas.

Personal:
Dacor Tremaine Rodgers was born February 22, 1983... parents are Tommy and Denetta Rodgers... pursuing a degree in social work.

[Deputy Nutz]

WHO THE FUCK IS CORY ROGERS????

TT loves his sleepers, proves he is smarter than everyone else.

[outflow]

Cory Rodgers

[Bretsky]

Cory frickin Rodgers


Strengths: Rodgers is a versatile prospect with the potential to contribute as a WR, PR and KOR in the NFL. He has adequate-to-good height and the frame to improve his bulk. He shows adequate top-end speed on film. Is explosive with the ball in his hands, showing very good initial burst and vision. He is shifty and shows the ability to make multiple defenders miss in space. He flashes a second-gear in the open field and is a threat to take it all the way if he gets a crease after the catch or on a return. He has been extremely durable to this point and he shows a good mental capacity to take on multiple roles on offense and special teams in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Is a better return specialist than receiver at this point. He lacks ideal bulk and strength. Will have some trouble separating from more physical cornerbacks in the NFL. Does not possess the top-end speed that we originally anticipated. May have trouble separating as a route runner vs. quicker NFL DB's. Also may struggle to run away from defenders as a return specialist in the NFL. He needs to improve his ability to get a clean release off the line of scrimmage. His route running skills are below average. Does not show the ability to consistently find soft spots in zone coverage and needs to improve his ability to set up man-to-man defenders with double moves. He will drop too many "catchable" passes by trying to get upfield before securing the ball. Focus must improve as a receiver. His effort as a blocker is inconsistent.

Overall: Rodgers was a high school quarterback that redshirted in 2002 while making the transition to wide receiver and return specialist. He wound up finishing fourth in the MWC in total yards during his redshirt freshman season in 2003, when he finished with 590 yards on 37 receptions and 39 yards on 17 carries, while also averaging 11 yards per punt return and 22.1 yards per kickoff return. As a sophomore in 2004, Rodgers finished with 836 yards and seven TD's on 61 receptions and 35 yards with two scores on 12 carries, while also averaging 10.2 yards per punt return and 23.3 yards per kickoff return. Rodgers led his team with 48 receptions for 639 yards and four touchdowns as a junior in 2005, while also leading the MWC in kickoff return average (31.7 yards, two TD's) and punt return average (13.4 yards). Rodgers might not be ready to contribute on offense for a few years, but he could push for touches as a return specialist (both PR and KOR) as a rookie. His versatility makes it worth taking a chance on him in the late Day 1-to-early Day 2 range of the upcoming draft. However, Rodgers timed out poorly in terms of his speed at the combine, which leads to questions regarding his ability to separate and run away from NFL defenders the way he did at the mid-major collegiate level. Look for Rodgers to slip to the final few rounds of the 2006 NFL draft, as a result.

[Rastak]

Cory Rodgers
WR, Texas Christian

Dan Pompei analysis
Is athletic but raw receiver who did not help himself at the Combine. Lacks ideal speed. Finds the crease in zone coverage. Doesn't run great routes. Best quality is his excellent ability to return punts and kicks. Hands are inconsistent, but caught a lot of passes in college. Adjusts to the ball well. Is a patient, instinctive runner after the catch.
No. 13 on Pompei's WR rankings

[imscott72]

WHO THE FUCK IS CORY ROGERS????

TT loves his sleepers, proves he is smarter than everyone else.

Goodbye Chatman, hello Mr. Rodgers. should be a nice threat on returns..

[Rastak]

CORY RODGERS MEASURABLES
Height: 5-11 Weight: 188
40-yard dash: 4.59 10-yard dash: 1.62
20-yard shuttle: 4.19 60-yard shuttle:
Broad jump: 9-2 225-lb. bench:
3-cone drill: 7.37 Vertical jump: 33
Wonderlic: 14 20-yard dash: 2.65

[CyclonePackFan]

WHO THE FUCK IS CORY ROGERS????

TT loves his sleepers, proves he is smarter than everyone else.

Rogers is probably the best KR in college football. I had the distinct displeasure of being in Houston on January 1st and watching him shred our coverage team. Just like the scouting report says, explosive and has the potential to take it the distance EVERY time he touches.

He played for a very good TCU team who would have made a BCS bowl if they hadn't blown one game they should have won easily against SMU.

[Rastak]

Bills grab Ko Simpson

[Bretsky]

TED THOMPSON MADE BUFFALO VERY HAPPY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deputy Nutz]

Rodgers is a huge reach. I ain't happy. Packers probably could have waited and gotten him in the fifth.

Whatever, I would hate to sound like Tank.

[Bretsky]

Mel keeps avoiding Cory Rodgers

[Fritz]

Hey, Nutz my wife said the same thing: who is THAT?

But it looks like TT has gotten his punt returner. If he's on anything like Allen Rossum, Mike Stock is getting a hard-on right now.

[Rastak]

I'm hoping the Vikes grab a WR with this 4th rounder,,,,,,

[imscott72]

anyone else surprised we haven't drafted any guards yet? Sounds like Spitz in going to be C. I'm a little worried about this.

[Deputy Nutz]

CORY RODGERS MEASURABLES
Height: 5-11 Weight: 188
40-yard dash: 4.59 10-yard dash: 1.62
20-yard shuttle: 4.19 60-yard shuttle:
Broad jump: 9-2 225-lb. bench:
3-cone drill: 7.37 Vertical jump: 33
Wonderlic: 14 20-yard dash: 2.65

Great, a small, slow reciever.


Fullback Garrett Mills goes to New England.

[packrulz]

NFL.com says he's 6', 187lbs.

[FritzDontBlitz]

ok, i'm starting to wonder why we have taken two wr's who are 6'0" or less when mccarthy and tt are constantly preaching the need for taller receivers as the wco standard? unless both picks are mainly for the return game i don't see the sense in it when you still have a ton of big receivers left on the board....

[Rastak]

Cards get Watson.....good value.....

[Fritz]

WHO THE FUCK IS CORY ROGERS????

TT loves his sleepers, proves he is smarter than everyone else.

Rogers is probably the best KR in college football. I had the distinct displeasure of being in Houston on January 1st and watching him shred our coverage team. Just like the scouting report says, explosive and has the potential to take it the distance EVERY time he touches.

He played for a very good TCU team who would have made a BCS bowl if they hadn't blown one game they should have won easily against SMU.

Thank you Cyclone. I value the perspective of someone who has actually watched the guy play. And who knows, Nutz, if we could've gotten him later.

[Bretsky]

Hey, Nutz my wife said the same thing: who is THAT?

But it looks like TT has gotten his punt returner. If he's on anything like Allen Rossum, Mike Stock is getting a hard-on right now.

I thought we had our special teams expert in Jennings, who also was a great returner ?

[Scott Campbell]

For those who enjoy obscure trivia:

SUNDAY, April 30, 2006, 10:27 a.m.

By Cliff Christl
The last Alaskan Packer

Offensive lineman Daryn Colledge will be, in all likelihood, the second player from Alaska to play for the Packers since at least 1970. The Packers drafted Colledge, a native of North Pole, Alaska, in the second round Saturday.

The last Alaskan to have played for the Packers was Tom Neville. A guard, he played from 1986-'88.

Neville was killed in 1998 after escaping from a psychiatric hospital. He was shot by Fresno police. Neville, who stood 6-foot-5 and weighed 356 pounds at the time, was the victim of 13 gunshot wounds.

[Tarlam!]

Both Jennings and Rodgers are destined for ST-They'll share returning. TT has said as much about Jennings.

[FritzDontBlitz]

am i the only one who think these espn teasers with the draftees dressed as two-bit pimps are lame as fuck?

[Deputy Nutz]

Watson goes to Arizona. They like their Michigan guys.

Scott, Colledge is going to play guard, whether he realizes it or not. Spitz is more a center, but that means Wells will either have competition for his job, or that Wells is projecting at guard right now for the Packers.

[packrulz]

McCarthy said there aren't many big receivers in this draft & they like guys who can run after the catch & break tackles.

[Rivers Rutherford]

Big receivers ain't done squat since the NFL's Competition Committee tweaked the rules a couple years ago...it's been a small man's game for the most part-guys with good, low centers of gravity that can sink their hips and run good routes. Antonio Freeman was a small, slow guy and he turned out okay. Let's go with OG Matua or OG Sims from USC or OSU respectively here at 109 I say

[Bretsky]

ok, i'm starting to wonder why we have taken two wr's who are 6'0" or less when mccarthy and tt are constantly preaching the need for taller receivers as the wco standard? unless both picks are mainly for the return game i don't see the sense in it when you still have a ton of big receivers left on the board....

I'm starting to wonder if Demetrius Williams was busted for doing drugs. Many had him rated as a round two selection.....ahead of Jennings. Here we are in round 4 and he's still not selected yet.

Ko Simpson would have should have been a Packer IMO. A great S prospect with great speed who was a playmaker in college.

[Fritz]

Bretsky, what's wrong with having two of them to duke it out? Besides, you probably want two kick returners, anyway. I like this pick. Chatman was steady - he had good hands - but he never did much.

Now let's grab that Omar What's-his-name or that big receiver (Williams?) if either is there.

[CyclonePackFan]

am i the only one who think these espn teasers with the draftees dressed as two-bit pimps are lame as fuck?

I concur

[Deputy Nutz]

Packers on the clock once again.

Ready for a guy from a division 3 school from Canada?

[imscott72]

Watson goes to Arizona. They like their Michigan guys.

Scott, Colledge is going to play guard, whether he realizes it or not. Spitz is more a center, but that means Wells will either have competition for his job, or that Wells is projecting at guard right now for the Packers.

Yeah for some reason I totally overlooked Colledge on my list. Ok I feel better now.

[Scott Campbell]

With all the guys were picking, there should be quite a few of them that don't make the final roster.

[CyclonePackFan]

Traded to Philly

[Bretsky]

One other note on Rodgers, and I say this whether I'm right or wrong. I judge TT harsher than many, but he CONSTANTLY preaches "best available player".

The Rodgers selection was a "need" pick. No way in the world he was the highest rated player on Green Bay's board.

[FritzDontBlitz]

go to great blue north's top prospects per position, there are plenty still available. talent level may be in question, but these are the rounds where projects should be considered.

unless you're mike sherman. then you trade up to draft projects in the first round.

lol

[Rivers Rutherford]

Ha! shows you Nutz the Packers trade!

[Rastak]

Were on the clock....aye yi yi

[Deputy Nutz]

What a shock the Packers trade. I hate thompson on the second day. He picks absolute nobodies that turn out to be nobodies.

[Rastak]

Eagles got Avent.....

[Scott Campbell]

What a shock the Packers trade. I hate thompson on the second day. He picks absolute nobodies that turn out to be nobodies.

He got Montgomery, Poppinga and Whittaker last year.

[Bretsky]

Traded to Philly

The ball keeps rolling. If we continue to draft special teamers we might have the most talented special teams in football.

[imscott72]

Ok, what did we get?

[Scott Campbell]

Traded to Philly

The ball keeps rolling. If we continue to draft special teamers we might have the most talented special teams in football.


If he keeps trading for more picks were going to need a 53 man practice squad.

[imscott72]

Traded to Philly

The ball keeps rolling. If we continue to draft special teamers we might have the most talented special teams in football.

Nothing wrong with that..

[CyclonePackFan]

Ok, what did we get?

Top of my head I'm gonna say we got #115 and a 5th rounder, but I have no verification

[outflow]

Picks 115 and 185

[Bretsky]

Traded to Philly

The ball keeps rolling. If we continue to draft special teamers we might have the most talented special teams in football.


If he keeps trading for more picks were going to need a 53 man practice squad.


We already have too many practice squad players on our real roster.

[Fritz]

"The Rodgers selection was a "need" pick. No way in the world he was the highest rated player on Green Bay's board."

Hey Bretsky I didn't know you were in the Packers' draft room.

And I frickin' HATE ESPN!! What the f--- did the Pack get from Philly for that pick? Don't they understand that anybody who is watching day two of the draft is watching so they can see who gets picked?? We WANT to see what GB got for the pick. We don't give a damn about the interviews.

And yes, this football-player-turned-pimp stuff is silly.

[packrulz]

How about Wali Lundy, RB, Virginia? He was supposed to be a 1st day pick.

[Scott Campbell]

I know this is a little off topic, but do you think Kubiak let Shemy anywhere near their war room?

[outflow]

Picks 115 and 185

So 109 for 115 and 185 according to Packers.com

[Bretsky]

Ok, what did we get?

Top of my head I'm gonna say we got #115 and a 5th rounder, but I have no verification

Sounds like we got a 4th and another 6th. Maybe we can just parlay all the rest of our picks and trade them for a 2nd and 4th next year ??

[GrnBay007]

am i the only one who think these espn teasers with the draftees dressed as two-bit pimps are lame as fuck?

Very distastful!!! Anything would have been better than the way they propped these guys this year.

[Scott Campbell]

Sounds like we got a 4th and another 6th. Maybe we can just parlay all the rest of our picks and trade them for a 2nd and 4th next year ??

That would be a trade up - clearly against the rules.

[outflow]

So the pick we got from STL at 93...turns into a 115, 183 and 185.
hmmmm

[Fritz]

No, I doubt it. If Kubiak had let Shermy sit in on the draft, the Texans would have traded up twice and ended up with a total of four picks, one of whom would be a punter.

[Bretsky]

"The Rodgers selection was a "need" pick. No way in the world he was the highest rated player on Green Bay's board."

Hey Bretsky I didn't know you were in the Packers' draft room.

And I frickin' HATE ESPN!! What the f--- did the Pack get from Philly for that pick? Don't they understand that anybody who is watching day two of the draft is watching so they can see who gets picked?? We WANT to see what GB got for the pick. We don't give a damn about the interviews.

And yes, this football-player-turned-pimp stuff is silly.


I HATE ESPN TOO; Maybe 620wtmj.com is broadcasting this. I'll check it out. We get no current news at all.

ESPN is well set up to discuss and show highlights of the top projected players. But they are not set up for TT.

[Rastak]

Hmmmm....Vikings just traded down.

[CyclonePackFan]

#109: 76 pts.
#115 + #185: 64 + 18.4 = 82.4 pts.

Another good trade by the numbers...but c'mon...let's do some picking...

[MJZiggy]

No, I doubt it. If Kubiak had let Shermy sit in on the draft, the Texans would have traded up twice and ended up with a total of four picks, one of whom would be a punter.

He will never, EVER live that down.

[Tarlam!]

O.K. NO MORE TRADES!

We'll walk home with 12 picks as is!

[FritzDontBlitz]

for kuby's sake i hope not

[outflow]

We're on pace to have the last 29 picks in round 7.

[CyclonePackFan]

Ahhhh...another Green Bay pick another set of commercials...

[FritzDontBlitz]

what the fuck????

EVERYTIME GREEN BAY COMES ON THE CLOCK ESPN GOES TO COMMERCIAL????

[OS PA]

Que Packers commercial.

[Scott Campbell]

Sowells out of Indiana. OT

[OS PA]

Not even a f'in tracker..

[Guiness]

Rodgers is a huge reach. I ain't happy. Packers probably could have waited and gotten him in the fifth.

Whatever, I would hate to sound like Tank.

I dunno. At draft time last year, Collins was a reach but we later found out other teams had (quietly) moved him up their boards. He probably wouldn't have been there for our third.

Interesting though - he's supposed to be a KR/PR, but apprently lacks ideal speed (from Rastak's post). It's pretty hard to 'make guys miss' on ST plays. Wonder if he can do it.

[Oscar]

ESPN has done a piss poor job covering the draft this year. I shut the tv off and am gonna follow in here.

[Guiness]

how come the Packers draft cam isn't online? I'm using this link:

http://www.packers.com/draft/2006/cam/

[Fritz]

You see what's happening, right, in skipping over the Gabe Watsons and Ko Simpsons of the draft? Teddy is staying true to his word - he wants good people in the locker room. Let Denny Green try to motivate a lazy, underacheiving defensive tackle (we already have one of those in Donnell Washington, anyway). Let the Falcons deal with a talented a--hole like Jimmy Williams.

In fact, in the reading I"ve done about the draft this year, this emphasis on character is a new trend around the league.

[Scott Campbell]

Rodgers is a huge reach. I ain't happy. Packers probably could have waited and gotten him in the fifth.

Whatever, I would hate to sound like Tank.

I dunno. At draft time last year, Collins was a reach but we later found out other teams had (quietly) moved him up their boards. He probably wouldn't have been there for our third.

Interesting though - he's supposed to be a KR/PR, but apprently lacks ideal speed (from Rastak's post). It's pretty hard to 'make guys miss' on ST plays. Wonder if he can do it.

I'm not sure how much attention Ted pays to other peoples board. It'd just be guesswork anyway. And at this stage in the draft players really shouldn't be called a reach. They are all obscure for one reason or another.

[Bretsky]

You see what's happening, right, in skipping over the Gabe Watsons and Ko Simpsons of the draft? Teddy is staying true to his word - he wants good people in the locker room. Let Denny Green try to motivate a lazy, underacheiving defensive tackle (we already have one of those in Donnell Washington, anyway). Let the Falcons deal with a talented a--hole like Jimmy Williams.

In fact, in the reading I"ve done about the draft this year, this emphasis on character is a new trend around the league.

I'm NAIVE on this; was Ko Simpson considered a character risk ? I know of Watson, but I thought Simpson was just fine attitude wise ??

[Scott Campbell]

Who's got the Sowells bio?

[CyclonePackFan]

With 115 we get:

Will Blackmon!

Good pick.

[Tarlam!]

Will Blackman!

[Bretsky]

We sure are loading up on WR; looks like Demetrius Williams is not in our plans

[Scott Campbell]

ESPN shows we picked Sowells at 112? Is that a misprint?

[outflow]

ESPN shows we picked Sowells at 112? Is that a misprint?

yes, phiily took him with the pick we traded them.

[Deputy Nutz]

Now there is a great pick!

Will Blackmon a man without a position, but you just need to get the ball in his hands! Another returner, which is a bit questionable, but I would have to imagine that they are going to try him out as a defensive back.

[Guiness]

Omar Jacobs is still available here, right? That would be an ok pick.

[Tarlam!]

We sure are loading up on WR; looks like Demetrius Williams is not in our plans

He went to the Ravens!

[FritzDontBlitz]

will blackmon from boston college. db converted to wr

[Rastak]

Will Blackmon
CB, Boston College

War Room analysis
Strengths: Has good size and adequate speed. Is an excellent athlete whose versatility will be valuable on defense and special teams. Is fluid; can turn and run with receivers. Competes well against big receivers. Shows good vision, quickness and burst. Has excellent playmaking ability, good hands and above-average ball skills. In run support, is aggressive and strong. Is a good tackler who breaks down and wraps up ball carriers. Is a standout kick returner.

Weaknesses: Played wide receiver in college, but projects as an NFL cornerback. Lacks elite speed. Must improve route-recognition and coverage skills. Does not get a quick break on passes, and loses sight of the ball at times.

Bottom line: Blackmon primarily will be a return man while he improves his coverage skills. His athleticism, versatility and ability to contribute on special teams will make him a fourth- or fifth-round selection.

Dan Pompei analysis
Is an enigma. Is big and fast, but doesn't always play fast. Shows good hands. Shows a burst to the ball. Had an excellent pre-draft workout, but works out better than he plays. Played wide receiver in '05, and some teams still consider him a receiver. Shows questionable toughness. Isn't physical, and lacks good instincts. Gets beat too often. Is a pretty good return man, though.
No. 19 on Pompei's CB rankings

[Guiness]

Packers on the clock once again.

Ready for a guy from a division 3 school from Canada?

There are no divisions in Canada. No athletic scholorships (at all) so it's all one division.

Shows what you know, eh? :razz: Just hassling ya'

[Fritz]

Yes, that Sowells was a mistake. No surprise, it's ESPN. Anybody have a scouting report on Will Blackmon? Says on the tv screen he was a d-back for the first three years. Maybe TT will make him a long snapper or possibly the trainer.

And didn't we draft a d-back named Roosevelt Blackmon in the fourth round a few years back? A bust, as I recall.

[Scott Campbell]

Are we now off the clock until 148?

[outflow]

Packers.com has Blackmon listed as a DB.

[CyclonePackFan]

Will Blackmon
Height: 6-0
Weight: 199
40 Speed: 4.46*
Position: Wide Receiver
College: Boston College


SUMMARY

Blackmon made the switch from cornerback to wide receiver in 2005, and he is best suited to play receiver in the NFL. He has the size and strength you like in a receiver and plays surprisingly stronger than even his good size says he should. He is a very quick-footed receiver who accelerates to full speed very fast and has the shake/make-you-miss ability that makes him a very dangerous runner in the open field. He no doubt has to work on some of the fundamentals of playing receiver like routes and get-off, but he already does a good job defeating the jam and keeping the defender on his back when he runs quick hitting routes. An added bonus is that he is a very dangerous return man who will be able to make an impact returning punts and kickoffs early in his career. He is going to need some time to develop his skills to become the receiver he is capable of, and it is going to take at least a season as a backup to develop and learn the postion. In time, he will become a good starting receiver who is a dangerous big-play threat every time he touches the ball.

STRONG POINTS

Blackmon is a good sized receiver who plays bigger than his measured size -- he runs through arm/grab tackles consistently and can break tackles. He is a very good athlete with the playing speed to get separation down the field and is a big-play threat. He is a quick-footed and agile athlete who can make tacklers miss and is a legitimate big-play threat every time he gets the ball in the open field. For a player with so little experience at the position, he has caught the ball surprisingly well and has shown the hands and concentration to adjust to off-target passes remarkably well.

WEAKNESSES

Blackmon's biggest weakness is that he has not played the position very long and is still learning the nuances. He needs to get more consistent bursting off the ball and into his routes in order to close the cushion quickly on cornerbacks. His routes are not sharp and, while he has athleticism and quickness to get out of cuts fast, he will need to run sharper routes to get separation in the NFL.

[Rastak]

WILL BLACKMON MEASURABLES
Height: 6-0 Weight: 198
40-yard dash: 4.47 10-yard dash: 1.56
20-yard shuttle: 4.20 60-yard shuttle: 11.42
Broad jump: 11-1 225-lb. bench:
3-cone drill: 6.67 Vertical jump: 41
Wonderlic: 31 20-yard dash: 2.56

[Tarlam!]

TT has said often he wants to have excellent Special Teams. He is sick of the mediocraty. He is sick of gaing 2 yrads after the catch. Of course, he said it more politically correct.

[CyclonePackFan]

Doesn't shock me...the addition of Desmond Howard was really the thing that made us a Super Bowl team, and we haven't had a presence like that since Allen Rossum

[Fritz]

It's funny how two different scouting reports say the exact opposite things about a guy. One report just posted says he's fast and plays fast, another says he was a disappointment at workouts and plays slow.

But at this point, every guy everybody picks is going to have some question marks. I'm mostly curious as to why he changed positions and at what position the Pack will play him.

At least we know we ought to have a damn good punt and kick returner, between Jennings, Rodgers, and this guy.

[Deputy Nutz]

I absolutely hate Omar Jacobs and there is a reason why he aint gonna go until the 5th round. He got no arm, he got no arm.

[CyclonePackFan]

There went the first Kicker....

[MJZiggy]

I love that you can go to Packers.com and watch them watch ESPNothing.

[Rastak]

Anyone know what the Vikings got for #115? Eagles turned it around and sent it to Green Bay

[Scott Campbell]

We only have one pick in the 7th round. Ted better get busy.

[Fritz]

I wonder if Sherman is disappointed the Texans wouldn't trade up to get him.

[outflow]

We only have one pick in the 7th round. Ted better get busy.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[OS PA]

they're talking about Blackmon? What, no commercial?

[Scott Campbell]

Anyone know when our next pick is? ESPN says 148.

[FritzDontBlitz]

I love that you can go to Packers.com and watch them watch ESPNothing.

the draft cam isn't working for me

[Tarlam!]

I love that you can go to Packers.com and watch them watch ESPNothing.

Ziggy, WHAT? WHERE??

[CyclonePackFan]

Anyone know when our next pick is? ESPN says 148.

I think 148 is the correct number

[Rastak]

Looks like Philly traded OT Artis Hicks for a 4th round swap....to Minnesota

[Guiness]

Blackmon - so a CB or a WR.

I'd be surprised they'd take another WR. That would be the 3rd, but I guess all these guys can compete for KR/PR, and maybe they want a few bodies to audition for the #4/5 WR spot.

[FritzDontBlitz]

lol cory rodgers is growing as the draft progresses. packers.com has him listed as 6'1" now. at this rate, by the time its over he will be the next harold carmichael

[Scott Campbell]

SUNDAY, April 30, 2006, 11:06 a.m.

By Cliff Christl
Packers go with versatility

With their second fourth-round choice, the 115th overall, the Packers selected Will Blackmon of Boston College. Blackmon has played both wide receiver and cornerback, and also returns kicks. Blackmon stands 6-foot-0 1/4 and weighs 198 pounds.

Blackmon played mostly wide receiver as a senior, but the Packers said they were projecting him as a cornerback.

Blackmon caught 51 passes for 763 yards, a 15.0 average, as a senior. He played corner in nickel and dime packages. Blackmon also returned 22 kickoffs for a 22.2 average and 15 punts for an 8.3 average. He returned one kickoff and one punt for touchdowns, both in his junior year. He also had eight interceptions from his freshman through his junior year, when he played cornerback.

[Deputy Nutz]

Well, Blackmon doesn't really fill a need, and that is why I like this pick. This is Thompson's first pick of the draft that doesn't fit a need, not that their is anything wrong with that.

[Rastak]

Ok....here's the trade...be nice if the idiots at espn reported trades....


Vikings-Eagles
Vikings get: No.127 overall pick and G Artis Hicks
Eagles get: No. 115 overall pick and No. 185 overall pick.

[outflow]

Are the Packers going to have enough lockers for all these rookies?

[Rastak]

Here is the Packers trade....


Packers-Eagles
Eagles get: No. 109 overall pick, selected WR Jason Avant
Packers get: No. 115 overall and No. 185 overall.

[Scott Campbell]

12 overall picks. That's enough guys for a 5 yard penalty.


SUNDAY, April 30, 2006, 10:49 a.m.

By Cliff Christl
Another trade

The Packers traded their second fourth-round draft pick, acquired previously from St. Louis, to Philadelphia for its fourth and a sixth-round choice. The Packers gave up the 109th pick and received the 115th and 185th picks in return.

That leaves the Packers with 12 overall picks.

The Eagles used the 109th choice to take wide receiver Jason Avant of Michigan.

[Rastak]

Basically, The Eagles sent the Packers the 2 Viking picks......

[KYPack]

The highlight package on Blackmon said he was a hell of an athlete who played inconsistently.

He played 3 yrs of corner then switched to WR this year.

He's a good ST guy and was listed as qa Corner on ESPN's board.

That really 3 guys with extensive ST skills.

Hope one of 'em's good.

Note to Nutz:

You chided me for drafting Bing real high in a mock.......

You were right, I was wrong, now we'll see how the kid plays

[FritzDontBlitz]

SUNDAY, April 30, 2006, 11:06 a.m.

By Cliff Christl
Packers go with versatility

With their second fourth-round choice, the 115th overall, the Packers selected Will Blackmon of Boston College. Blackmon has played both wide receiver and cornerback, and also returns kicks. Blackmon stands 6-foot-0 1/4 and weighs 198 pounds.

Blackmon played mostly wide receiver as a senior, but the Packers said they were projecting him as a cornerback.

Blackmon caught 51 passes for 763 yards, a 15.0 average, as a senior. He played corner in nickel and dime packages. Blackmon also returned 22 kickoffs for a 22.2 average and 15 punts for an 8.3 average. He returned one kickoff and one punt for touchdowns, both in his junior year. He also had eight interceptions from his freshman through his junior year, when he played cornerback.

drafting value in the lower rounds, not a bad idea. tt is building depth at maybe two positions: db and wr, with definite return help as well.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I think the Pack drafted Blackmon for DB/ST. If they intended on plugging him at WR, then I think they wouldn't have drafted Rodgers and Jennings.

I'm somewhat confused about what TT is doing, but, as always, I'm trying to be patient.

tyler

[Fritz]

Well, I like that. If he can make the team as a spare corner while he's a punt and/or kick returner, that would save a roster spot. He'll be competing with such monstrous talents as Jason Horton, Mike Hawkins and Patrick Dendy.

[CyclonePackFan]

I wouldn't be shocked if we took one more WR before the day is out. I'm sure TT remembers how thin we were last season, with David Martin having to play WR. We lost two WR's in Murphy and Walker, and we've picked up 2 for sure and 1 DB/WR. Depth at a skill position at WR is never a bad thing to have...

[Rastak]

I wonder when Bloom will go...he'd be a great return man.....

[MJZiggy]

I love that you can go to Packers.com and watch them watch ESPNothing.

Ziggy, WHAT? WHERE?? Go to packers.com and their draft page will come up. At the top of the page, click Mediacenter Video and you will get linked into the media room which had Nothing on a little while ago. They also offer the audio to the conference call with the player.

[OS PA]

Packers remaining picks

RD 5 - # 148
RD 5 - # 165
RD 6 - # 183
RD 6 - # 185
RD 7 - # 253

[Guiness]

So Rastak - hoping for anyone here? Or maybe just hoping they actually pick (as opposed to trading, not...you know)

[CyclonePackFan]

ESPN STFU about Marcus Vick PLZKTHX

[Rastak]

So Rastak - hoping for anyone here? Or maybe just hoping they actually pick (as opposed to trading, not...you know)

Well, they just traded for a gaurd so I guess WR is a need.....maybe Bloom, Devin Aromashodu
or Todd Watkins.....

[jack's smirking revenge]

Spitz looks like the biggest tard that I've ever seen in football...

http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/spitz_jason.jpg

tyler

[Tarlam!]

Spitz looks like the biggest tard that I've ever seen in football...



This is a good thing, no?

[Guiness]

shit, I forgot about Vick!

Although, I be he forgot about today. Probably stoned on crack, sitting in his underwear, playing ps2 on the 100" screen. Or watching pr0n on the same.

[Scott Campbell]

Spitz looks like the biggest tard that I've ever seen in football...

http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/spitz_jason.jpg

tyler


It looks like he could have been in the cast of Napoleon Dynamite.

[jack's smirking revenge]

The more I read about Rodgers, the more I'm puzzled by the pick. Looks like a HUGE project to me.

tyler

[Rastak]

shit, I forgot about Vick!

Although, I be he forgot about today. Probably stoned on crack, sitting in his underwear, playing ps2 on the 100" screen. Or watching pr0n on the same.

Those are pretty good options if you think about it.....

[packrulz]

How about RB Wali Lundy?

[jack's smirking revenge]

I think TT is just trying to stockpile worthless football players with the last name of Rodgers.

:lol:

tyler

[Tarlam!]

Spitz looks like the biggest tard that I've ever seen in football...

http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/spitz_jason.jpg

tyler
http://cardinalempire.com/Empire/images/stories/SrSpitz.jpg

[Fritz]

Five more picks? Wow. I'm kind of hoping now that TT trades a couple of those - maybe a fifth - for a fourth next year. Might as well start stocking up for next year.

And you know, with that many picks left, he can take a couple of flyers on guys. Maybe even a punter!

[Scott Campbell]

The more I read about Rodgers, the more I'm puzzled by the pick. Looks like a HUGE project to me.

tyler

I think that's the point of all these picks. Ted doesn't see that many ready made players, so he's throwing as many picks up there as he can to see who sticks.

[Fritz]

shit, I forgot about Vick!

Although, I be he forgot about today. Probably stoned on crack, sitting in his underwear, playing ps2 on the 100" screen. Or watching pr0n on the same.

I can't decide what's funnier - what you wrote or Spitz's picture. He looks like Sam from Lord of the Rings.

[Bretsky]

The more I read about Rodgers, the more I'm puzzled by the pick. Looks like a HUGE project to me.

tyler


TT seems to love projects, and he's filling our roster today with them. The last two picks are baffling. IMO we have plenty of sixth round draft projects on our roster.

[FritzDontBlitz]

mike stock is looking to move will blackmon back to db. "a physical bump and run corner" were his exact words in the press conference

[MadtownPacker]

The more I read about Rodgers, the more I'm puzzled by the pick. Looks like a HUGE project to me.

tyler


TT seems to love projects, and he's filling our roster today with them. The last two picks are baffling. IMO we have plenty of sixth round draft projects on our roster.

TT got plenty of potential studs yesterday, let him try to find the diamond in the ruff today!

[Bretsky]

The more I read about Rodgers, the more I'm puzzled by the pick. Looks like a HUGE project to me.

tyler

I think that's the point of all these picks. Ted doesn't see that many ready made players, so he's throwing as many picks up there as he can to see who sticks.


Tampa Bay just drafted a very good "ready made" prospect. TT seems to prefer long range wild care prospects over the ready made players. Maybe the wild cards turn out better 2-4 years from now. It's his game and we have to show the blind faith for him.

[Tarlam!]

I'll just keep sticking my neck out and say, TT is building a special ST UNIT. He is gonna needs some of these guys. Young, hungry and will to get killed....

[Guiness]

I can't decide what's funnier - what you wrote or Spitz's picture. He looks like Sam from Lord of the Rings.

Damn! Good call.

You've got to love that he's from Alaska though. I can just see him at a playoff game in January, being one of the guys with no shirt on, except he'd be on teh field!

I can't wait for him to say "Frozen Turndra? This ain't no stinkin' frozen tundra!"

[KYPack]

mike stock is looking to move will blackmon back to db. "a physical bump and run corner" were his exact words in the press conference

That's probably the best move.

He's a LONG way from beiong an NFL reciever and might get killed learning that job.

Reserve and/ or Nickle corner & ST will be just fine for his rookie year.

[Guiness]

Cory Bofield. I mean Barry Cofield. Drafted where John McCargo should've went. (sorry, still can't get over that pick)

[OS PA]

I can't decide what's funnier - what you wrote or Spitz's picture. He looks like Sam from Lord of the Rings.

Damn! Good call.

You've got to love that he's from Alaska though. I can just see him at a playoff game in January, being one of the guys with no shirt on, except he'd be on teh field!

I can't wait for him to say "Frozen Turndra? This ain't no stinkin' frozen tundra!"

Colledge is from Alaska, Spitz is from Florida, in January Spitz'll be wearing a parka under his pads. =).

[imscott72]

No Rb's drafted. A little surprising there. Whose the best kicker out there?

[swede]

Spitz looks like the biggest tard that I've ever seen in football...

http://images.nfl.com/images/draft/2006/mugs/spitz_jason.jpg

tyler

Wow. That kinda looks like my dick with a wig.

[OS PA]

No Rb's drafted. A little surprising there. Whose the best kicker out there?

Gostowski is gone, he's the only Impact Kicker I can see getting drafted, we'll bring in a couple UDFA's.

[Guiness]

Will Minny make it to the mike??????

Inquiring minds want to know.



Gawd that never gets tired :wink:

[OS PA]

Vikings get Ray Edwards =(

[Rastak]

Vikes take a DE......interesting...



Ray Edwards
DE, Purdue

War Room analysis
Strengths: Has good size and quickness. Explodes at the point of attack. Rolls hips to create leverage against larger opponents. Despite lean frame, can contain outside runs and plays with wide enough base to hold up at the point of attack. Beats most offensive tackles with a great first step. Uses long frame to create separation. Shows fluid pass-rush moves to keep opponents off-balance. Uses speed to set up bull rush, which has steadily improved. Takes good angles in pursuit. Shows the speed to chase down plays from the backside. Is a good open-field tackler.

Weaknesses: Must bulk up. Sometimes plays upright, becoming vulnerable against the run. Tends to fire off the snap out of control when anticipating passes, and gets caught out of position if the play is a run. Must improve at dissecting plays. Is slow to find the ball. Uses athleticism to compensate for mental mistakes. Doesn't always hustle in pursuit.

Bottom line: Edwards, a junior, surprised some with his decision to turn pro because he regressed after a breakout sophomore season. His combination of size and speed make him attractive as a 4-3 end or 3-4 outside linebacker, but he must work hard to mature into a complete NFL end. His physical attributes and upside should earn him a mid- to late-Round 2 pick.

Dan Pompei analysis
Has a nice combination of size and athleticism. Is one of the better speed rushers in the draft. Has the body control to work the edge. Had a really good workout. Doesn't always find the ball. Must add some moves. Is not stout against the run. Didn't get along with his coaches. Scouts wonder if he's competitive enough.
No. 14 on Pompei's DE rankings

[packrulz]

There goes Elvis Dumervil, I'd like to grab a DE yet too.

[Fritz]

If that's true you're one happy dick!

[Guiness]

R Edwards eh? Doesn't he play a lot like KGB? That wouldn't be a bad thing for Minn.

Ok, I'm going out to roll my lawn. Be back in an hour.

[OS PA]

Look for Mike Kudla in the 6th or 7th, he's the guy who benched 225 45 times at the combine.

One report:
Strengths:
Has outstanding strength...Tough and competitive...Very intense with a non-stop motor...Has solid speed and quickness...Powerful at the point...Versatile and can drop into coverage...Hard worker with top intangibles...Had a great senior year.

Weaknesses:
Is undersized and lacks the height and bulk you look for...Has short arms...Didn't break into the starting lineup until about half way through his junior year...Has dealt with some injuries and durability is a concern...Probably can't get bigger.

Notes:
Tied a Scouting Combine record with 45 reps of 225 lbs. in the bench press...Could potentially move to outside linebacker...Notched 9.5 sacks in 2005...Stock is really on the rise and he is drawing a lot of positive attention.


I said last night that he is Aaron Kampman, Jr. i'm sticking to my word!

[Rastak]

R Edwards eh? Doesn't he play a lot like KGB? That wouldn't be a bad thing for Minn.

Ok, I'm going out to roll my lawn. Be back in an hour.


yea, pass rush end.....I guess that's also a need with Johnstone leaving.....

[OS PA]

There goes Elvis Dumervil, I'd like to grab a DE yet too.

20.5 sacks last year. Why did he drop!?

[packrulz]

There goes Elvis Dumervil, I'd like to grab a DE yet too.

20.5 sacks last year. Why did he drop!?
I don't know, too small maybe?

[OS PA]

There goes Elvis Dumervil, I'd like to grab a DE yet too.

20.5 sacks last year. Why did he drop!?
I don't know, too small maybe?

Hmm... ESPN said that the only reason he dropped was that he only put one sack up in his last five games. Sounds like the whole Packers team. =(.

[CyclonePackFan]

There goes Elvis Dumervil, I'd like to grab a DE yet too.

20.5 sacks last year. Why did he drop!?
I don't know, too small maybe?

Kiper was saying it was because he got 15 sacks in the first couple games, a grand total of 1 in his last 5 games.

[Bretsky]

Bad combine as well; considered undersized and one dimensional.

[swede]

Yeah, when I first heard about Dumerville he seemed like a big deal. The clips I saw showed that he played really fast with a huge motor. Maybe an OLB in a 3-4 defense?

[packrulz]

Jason Hatcher out of grambling sounds lik a good project DE.

[OS PA]

Orien Harris gone, he ranged between a top 2nd and bottom 6th on boards.

[Rastak]

I see Eslinger and Matua are still around......and Setterstrom.

[Merlin]

With a few WR's left that may actually produce this next season, TT gets one that can't catch over the middle (Rodgers) and another one who isn't strong enough to play in te NFL (Blackmon). I am sorry here but if you are going to trade your #1 receiver for ONE 2nd rounder then trade that selection away for two more later round picks, you had BETTER come up with two starters with those picks. Right now the only pick I see that "may" contribute is Hawk and I don't think he is an upgrade over anyone we already have. TT had the chance to help the team THIS YEAR, as well as in subsequent years. Instead he is looking 2-3 years down the road and using very HIGH picks on what could arguably be considered "mediocre" at best NFL players. 1 Starter..........1, way to waste the picks...

[FritzDontBlitz]

With a few WR's left that may actually produce this next season, TT gets one that can't catch over the middle (Rodgers) and another one who isn't strong enough to play in te NFL (Blackmon). I am sorry here but if you are going to trade your #1 receiver for ONE 2nd rounder then trade that selection away for two more later round picks, you had BETTER come up with two starters with those picks. Right now the only pick I see that "may" contribute is Hawk and I don't think he is an upgrade over anyone we already have. TT had the chance to help the team THIS YEAR, as well as in subsequent years. Instead he is looking 2-3 years down the road and using very HIGH picks on what could arguably be considered "mediocre" at best NFL players. 1 Starter..........1, way to waste the picks...

wow, try not to sound so optimistic.

[swede]

With a few WR's left that may actually produce this next season, TT gets one that can't catch over the middle (Rodgers) and another one who isn't strong enough to play in te NFL (Blackmon). I am sorry here but if you are going to trade your #1 receiver for ONE 2nd rounder then trade that selection away for two more later round picks, you had BETTER come up with two starters with those picks. Right now the only pick I see that "may" contribute is Hawk and I don't think he is an upgrade over anyone we already have. TT had the chance to help the team THIS YEAR, as well as in subsequent years. Instead he is looking 2-3 years down the road and using very HIGH picks on what could arguably be considered "mediocre" at best NFL players. 1 Starter..........1, way to waste the picks...

Merlin, glad you're here! Every point of view is welcome, even POV's that sound like they could come from Tank's (Anti-Polar Bear) more polite twin brother. :lol:

Last year I ripped on Collins. That pick showed me something about TT. He is, believe it or not, smarter than I am about football. This year I think TT is acquiring picks like crazy in order to pick up athletes that can for sure bolster special teams and may learn fast enough to bring depth to DB and WR. Optimistic Realists are now available to take your call.

[MateoInMex]

The WR's in this draft wasn't very strong according to "experts." I am not backing TT's every pick...nor am I hangin' on his juevo sack.

I think his track record in Seattle proves he is capable of finding middle and late round contributors.

Remember there will be vet cuts and waiver wire signings..with the Packers being well under the salary cap.

Good thing Ted Thompson didn't GIVE AWAY picks to move up to the third and draft a pinche punter!!!! A PUNTER IN THE THIRD ROUND!!!!! ROFL!!

I am more excited about this year than any year with Ray Rhodes or Charmin.

[Merlin]

Optimistic? Pulease.... Last year it was the BPA theory. This year it's not Need, it's not Want and it's definitely not BPA. The only thing I see here is accumulating picks and taking LONG TERM gambles. He better be smart about the contracts he offers these guys because I see no one special in this group and that includes Hawk. Hawk is going to command a #5 salary when we could have picked someone with immediate impact for that money. He wasn't even at the friggin draft and this is HIS future. I believe that shows the disrespect he has for the NFL. If saomeone is going to offere you millions of dollars before you even play 1 down for them, YOU SHOW UP. When he said he wasn't attending I thought to myself, there is a personality we don't want.

[Rivers Rutherford]

Kudla's an interesting guy--strong as a tank--reportedly could've one more reps as 225 but was told he already broke record.

This is a guy that was on his deathbed, literally, only a few years ago after OSU had just beat Miami in the Fiesta bowl, with a mysterious virus/ailment. The preacher man read him his last rights or whatever its called, he somehow pulled through put back on the 50ish pounds he lost and 4 years later sets combine record. Character and personality wise he is AK. Not a bad round 5 or 6 pick, can be a rotation guy at end.

[Rastak]

Optimistic? Pulease.... Last year it was the BPA theory. This year it's not Need, it's not Want and it's definitely not BPA. The only thing I see here is accumulating picks and taking LONG TERM gambles. He better be smart about the contracts he offers these guys because I see no one special in this group and that includes Hawk. Hawk is going to command a #5 salary when we could have picked someone with immediate impact for that money. He wasn't even at the friggin draft and this is HIS future. I believe that shows the disrespect he has for the NFL. If saomeone is going to offere you millions of dollars before you even play 1 down for them, YOU SHOW UP. When he said he wasn't attending I thought to myself, there is a personality we don't want.

Who did you want at #5?

[Scott Campbell]

SUNDAY, April 30, 2006, 11:44 a.m.

By Cliff Christl
Return game

The Packers are clearly excited about Cory Rodgers' potential as a return man. "Cory Rodgers probably is the one who would step up to the forefront," said special teams coach Mike Stock. The Packers have drafted three return men so far. The other two are wide receiver Greg Jennings and cornerback Will Blackmon.

Stock said Rodgerd figures in his plans as both a punt and kickoff return man. Jennings and Blackmon are viewed more as kickoff return men.

Stock said he liked Rodgers' hands, toughness and recklessness. "He's a North-South runner," said Stock. Although Rodgers weighs under 200 pounds, he may be able to handle both duties, according to Stock. Then again, Stock said it wasn't important that the same player handle both kickoffs and punts.

Stock made it clear that the Packers are hoping their draft picks will fill their needs in the return game. At this point, he suggested he wasn't banking on any of the veteran players.

[Scott Campbell]

Optimistic? Pulease.... Last year it was the BPA theory. This year it's not Need, it's not Want and it's definitely not BPA. The only thing I see here is accumulating picks and taking LONG TERM gambles. He better be smart about the contracts he offers these guys because I see no one special in this group and that includes Hawk. Hawk is going to command a #5 salary when we could have picked someone with immediate impact for that money. He wasn't even at the friggin draft and this is HIS future. I believe that shows the disrespect he has for the NFL. If saomeone is going to offere you millions of dollars before you even play 1 down for them, YOU SHOW UP. When he said he wasn't attending I thought to myself, there is a personality we don't want.

I think the league likes to parade it's top picks around like a bunch of trained monkeys. I'd have stayed home too.

[Fosco33]

Is Orr available? What's left for the Packers based on need? Special Teams? O-Line? D-Line?

[Scott Campbell]

SUNDAY, April 30, 2006, 11:53 a.m.

By Cliff Christl
Blackmon: A promising project

Will Blackmon might have little experience in man-to-man coverage and some bad habits to break, including a tendency to peek into the backfield, but defensive backfield coach Kurt Schottenheimer likes his athletic ability.

Schottenheimer thinks Blackmon, at 6-foot-0 and close to 200 pounds, could become a physical, press corner. "He has a tremendous ability to drop his weight and get in and out of breaks," said Schottenheimer.

Blackmon played wide receiver as a senior at Boston College, but the Packers are projecting him as a kickoff return man.

[outflow]

Hawk I believe that shows the disrespect he has for the NFL. If saomeone is going to offere you millions of dollars before you even play 1 down for them, YOU SHOW UP. When he said he wasn't attending I thought to myself, there is a personality we don't want.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

SUNDAY, April 30, 2006, 11:57 a.m.

By Cliff Christl
Rodgers as a receiver

The Packers view Cory Rodgers as the leading candidate to take over the team's punt return duties and possibly the kickoff return duties. But wide receivers coach Jimmy Robinson also think Rodgers will compete for a spot as a wide receiver.

Robinson said Rodgers was both a good route runner and had displayed good ball skills. Robinson said second-round pick Greg Jennings was more advanced as a receiver, but that Rodgers wasn't far behind.

[Merlin]

There were 4 players worth taking in the top 5, Williams, Bush, Lineart & Young. Davis was a strong 5 and on the board when we picked. However, if you were going to take Hawk, you should have either traded down in the first or taken someone else and traded for Hawk if that's who you really wanted. He isn't Urlacher (taken 9th) or Lewis (taken 6th) and we took him at 5. As far as being a trained monkey, I agree with you. BUT don't tell me if someone was going to pay you 15-18 Million in guaranteed money that you wouldn't parade around like a monkey for it. Especialy when you haven't proven anything to them yet.

[swede]

Hawk I believe that shows the disrespect he has for the NFL. If saomeone is going to offere you millions of dollars before you even play 1 down for them, YOU SHOW UP. When he said he wasn't attending I thought to myself, there is a personality we don't want.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

What? Did you want him parading around like a pimp?

He stayed at home with his family and his gorgeous girlfriend. After he took the call from the Packers he shaved, put on a suit, flew to Green Bay and spoke of the privilege it was to be selected by one of the NFL's great teams.

[Scott Campbell]

I am sorry here but if you are going to trade your #1 receiver for ONE 2nd rounder then trade that selection away for two more later round picks, you had BETTER come up with two starters with those picks.


Newsflash. Our number 1 receiver was and is Driver. Walker wasn't going to play for us. He had something like 4 receptions for 29 yards last year. He wasn't our #1 receiver anymore than Mike McKenzie was our #1 cornerback.

Ted turned a lemon into lemonaide. I know some of you were holding out for more, but this is as much as we could realistically hope to get.

[pacfan]

Optimistic? Pulease.... Last year it was the BPA theory. This year it's not Need, it's not Want and it's definitely not BPA. The only thing I see here is accumulating picks and taking LONG TERM gambles. He better be smart about the contracts he offers these guys because I see no one special in this group and that includes Hawk. Hawk is going to command a #5 salary when we could have picked someone with immediate impact for that money. He wasn't even at the friggin draft and this is HIS future. I believe that shows the disrespect he has for the NFL. If saomeone is going to offere you millions of dollars before you even play 1 down for them, YOU SHOW UP. When he said he wasn't attending I thought to myself, there is a personality we don't want.

I disagree. The NFL Draft is over-hyped. These players are flown all over the nation being interviewed by the various teams that may or may not be interested. Hawk stayed home and watched it with his family. Thats a charactor move that I respect. Its shows a committment to the game, not the cameras.

I think the Colledge pick may be a reach, but I'm glad we have a potential PR guy that is taller than 6'0. I love the Hodge pick, and I think Spitz gives us depth at center/guard. Our special teams last year were horrible, now we have bigger players with more speed.

We have Driver, Gardner and maybe Ferguson at WR. We have Bubba and Donald Lee at TE. We have great tackles but huge questions marks at C and G. We have Green and Gado coming back from injury last year, wil they produce? I don't know. But we have the pieces for a good offense, its up the the coaches to make that work.

Last year we lost 5 games by 3 points or less, so we had some talent last year without Javon.

[Merlin]

For the #5 pick and 15-18 mil, you bet your ass he should have been there. The guy is a poly-sci major. He will give you all he has but his ego will not let you "own" him in his mind which is the same as "coach" him. You watch, he is going to be a project and an expensive one at that.

[Scott Campbell]

There were 4 players worth taking in the top 5, Williams, Bush, Lineart & Young. Davis was a strong 5 and on the board when we picked. However, if you were going to take Hawk, you should have either traded down in the first or taken someone else and traded for Hawk if that's who you really wanted. He isn't Urlacher (taken 9th) or Lewis (taken 6th) and we took him at 5. As far as being a trained monkey, I agree with you. BUT don't tell me if someone was going to pay you 15-18 Million in guaranteed money that you wouldn't parade around like a monkey for it. Especialy when you haven't proven anything to them yet.


I can't imagine how his participation in a nice suit in NY yesterday bears any relevence at all on his potential as a prospect.

[outflow]

Did anyone see the press conference last night and think Hawk's suit was too small? I did.

[swede]

I've given up on ESPN. How long until our next pick?

[Scott Campbell]

Did anyone see the press conference last night and think Hawk's suit was too small? I did.

Maybe his muscles were just too big.

:D

[Bretsky]

With a few WR's left that may actually produce this next season, TT gets one that can't catch over the middle (Rodgers) and another one who isn't strong enough to play in te NFL (Blackmon). I am sorry here but if you are going to trade your #1 receiver for ONE 2nd rounder then trade that selection away for two more later round picks, you had BETTER come up with two starters with those picks. Right now the only pick I see that "may" contribute is Hawk and I don't think he is an upgrade over anyone we already have. TT had the chance to help the team THIS YEAR, as well as in subsequent years. Instead he is looking 2-3 years down the road and using very HIGH picks on what could arguably be considered "mediocre" at best NFL players. 1 Starter..........1, way to waste the picks...

MERLIN,
Glad to see ya back; I was beginning to sound too negative as opposed to all the optomists in here. You are a bit more down on the draft than I am so I'm a good balance again.

Hawk is a HUGE upgrade over what we have. We have junk as options w/o this draft as Barnett is our only starter. Hodge should compete with Taylor and is a good LB as well. However, I too am disappointed by some of our 3rd and 4th round picks when more established/NFL ready players were availalbe, and I agree his draft seems to be more for 3 years down the road instead of this year.

[Merlin]

Of course the draft is over hyped, I think it's all crap. It's one of the few professions where a new employee gets to make more than current employees without ever having worked at that level. That's why a LB at #5 is a joke. How many points will that 15-20 Mil get you? Not as many, nor prevent as many as a WR, RB or QB will. You need a good defense, we have one. Points win games and as one poster said, we weren't that bad offesively without Walker. BUT we were still 3 pt less then we should have been...

[pacfan]

so far we have:

1 1st round
2 2nds
2 3rds
2 4ths
2 5ths
2 6ths
1 7th

Amazing, what is the standard for a good draft? 4 starting players or contributors??

[GrnBay007]

I disagree. The NFL Draft is over-hyped. These players are flown all over the nation being interviewed by the various teams that may or may not be interested. Hawk stayed home and watched it with his family. Thats a charactor move that I respect. Its shows a committment to the game, not the cameras.



I agree! More power to the guy that wants to spend the most important day of his life to date with his family and friends.....those that have supported him throughout this rather than those that want to exploit him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I liked the Blackmon pick. He'll play corner. I had him as 3rd round value. Great all-around athlete. I'm puzzled that they took a return man high in the 4th round--when guys like Demetrius Williams were available. That was a real buzzkill. It's been a pretty solid draft, so far--but we could have had Chad Jackson and Demetrius Williams (or Derek Hagan and Demetrius Williams) instead of Greg Jennings and Cory Rodgers.

How come ESPN's shows us drafting Isaac Sowells in the 4th round?

[Fosco33]

Ok, we're on the clock... any bold predictions?

[Scott Campbell]

Of course the draft is over hyped, I think it's all crap. It's one of the few professions where a new employee gets to make more than current employees without ever having worked at that level.

I totally agree here. I believe the NFL needs a NBA like rookie scale. If Mario doesn't pan out for Houston, they've guaranteed over $26M to him - they'd be hosed for years. It's just not right.

You have to believe the players association would vote for this. Less money for rooks means more money for vets.

[CyclonePackFan]

We're up, Philly just tabbed Bloom. Time to go DL anyway.

[HarveyWallbangers]

so far we have:

1 1st round
2 2nds
2 3rds
2 4ths
2 5ths
2 6ths
1 7th

Amazing, what is the standard for a good draft? 4 starting players or contributors??

According to Ron Wolf, 3 solid starters

[outflow]

In on Page 100.

[Scott Campbell]

According to Ron Wolf, 3 solid starters

And not necessarily right away - correct?

[Fosco33]

Martin QB - what's the scoop?

[pacfan]

Ingle Martin?

[Rastak]

Damn, Ingle Martin is gone!

Ingle Martin
QB, Furman

War Room analysis
Strengths: Has good size and a strong arm. Is a versatile athlete who also played receiver and kicked in the ’05 season. Has very good speed and mobility. Can throw on the run. Shows maturity with great poise and calmness under center.

Weaknesses: Played at the Division I-AA level, so lack of elite competition could be a concern. Must improve ability to make decisions. Will rely too much on his athleticism and arm.

Bottom line: A transfer from Florida, Martin started four games as a freshman for the Gators before being replaced by Chris Leak. Martin is a potential to be late-Day 2 pick or priority free agent with NFL potential based on his intangibles.

[HarveyWallbangers]

MERLIN,
Glad to see ya back; I was beginning to sound too negative as opposed to all the optomists in here. You are a bit more down on the draft than I am so I'm a good balance again.

Hawk is a HUGE upgrade over what we have. We have junk as options w/o this draft as Barnett is our only starter. Hodge should compete with Taylor and is a good LB as well. However, I too am disappointed by some of our 3rd and 4th round picks when more established/NFL ready players were availalbe, and I agree his draft seems to be more for 3 years down the road instead of this year.

I think saying "more established/NFL ready players were available" is overstating. We don't really know that. I'm disappointed in the fact that we took Cory Rodgers, but I can't say that he's less NFL ready. He's not a big name that we had high on our draft boards, so his selection was a shock.

Thompson turned 7 picks into 12 picks. That means he can have more misses than normal. Maybe he missed on Rodgers, but maybe he hit big on Blackmon. I like the philosophy.

[Bretsky]

I liked the Blackmon pick. He'll play corner. I had him as 3rd round value. Great all-around athlete. I'm puzzled that they took a return man high in the 4th round--when guys like Demetrius Williams were available. That was a real buzzkill. It's been a pretty solid draft, so far--but we could have had Chad Jackson and Demetrius Williams (or Derek Hagan and Demetrius Williams) instead of Greg Jennings and Cory Rodgers.

How come ESPN's shows us drafting Isaac Sowells in the 4th round?

Corey Rodgers over Demetrius Williams and Ko Simpson is mind boggling

[CyclonePackFan]

Ingle Martin
Height: 6-2
Weight: 219
40 Speed: 4.64*
Position: Quarterback
College: Furman

SUMMARY

Martin is a very interesting prospect because, other than the ideal height, he has all the physical tools to be a good starting quarterback in the NFL. He started his college career at Florida and transferred to Furman, where he became their starting quarterback (and starting punter) and carried their offense on his back. He is going to have to adjust to the huge jump in talent from Furman to the NFL, but will also need to get used to playing in more common NFL offenses where he will have to line up under center which he did not do at Furman very often. He has the quick feet to set-up and get rid of the ball quickly and, when he strides into his throws, he shows the ability to make deep throws with very good zip and accuracy. He is going to need time to make the adjustment to the NFL, but he is the perfect small-school prospect and will eventually develop into a good NFL starter. He will need at least a season or two as a backup, and may be best suited to going to NFL Europe for a season to get re-acquainted with playing in games when he has to lineup under center.

STRONG POINTS

Martin is a very athletic quarterback who has consistently shown the ability to avoid pressure/sacks, buy second chances and make plays on the move (with his arm or legs). He has very good arm strength and, when he strides into throws, he can make all the throws with very good zip and accuracy. He has a quick and compact release to get rid of the ball very quickly which helps him to hit his "Hot" receiver on quick passes vs. the blitz. When he gets out of the pocket, he has shown the ability to throw very accurately on the move when he puts zip on his throws.

WEAKNESSES

Martin produced at a much lower level of football after being unable to win a starting job at Florida, so you have to wonder about his ability to compete in the NFL. He has a tendency to lose focus and tries to rush his passes at times, and it leads to him not striding into passes, throwing flat footed and losing zip and accuracy on medium/deep routes. While he throws very accurate touch pass in the pocket, he is not as accurate on the move when he does not put zip on his throws.

[Rastak]

INGLE MARTIN MEASURABLES
Height: 6-2 Weight: 220
40-yard dash: 4.65 10-yard dash: 1.61
20-yard shuttle: 4.17 60-yard shuttle:
Broad jump: 9-3 225-lb. bench:
3-cone drill: 7.13 Vertical jump: 36
Wonderlic: 32 20-yard dash: 2.73

[Deputy Nutz]

I really like the Ingle Martin Pick. Reminds me of a Ron Wolf selection. Took him in the fifth round, and will trade him in 3 years for a 3rd round if everything works out.

[Bretsky]

Damn, Ingle Martin is gone!

Ingle Martin
QB, Furman

War Room analysis
Strengths: Has good size and a strong arm. Is a versatile athlete who also played receiver and kicked in the ’05 season. Has very good speed and mobility. Can throw on the run. Shows maturity with great poise and calmness under center.

Weaknesses: Played at the Division I-AA level, so lack of elite competition could be a concern. Must improve ability to make decisions. Will rely too much on his athleticism and arm.

Bottom line: A transfer from Florida, Martin started four games as a freshman for the Gators before being replaced by Chris Leak. Martin is a potential to be late-Day 2 pick or priority free agent with NFL potential based on his intangibles.


HELL YES, WE'VE GOT OUR KICKER :wink: :mrgreen: