Belichick Voted Coach of the Year

[Carolina_Packer]

We weren't discussing Randy Moss, we were discussing whether someone who was caught cheating at the beginning of the year should be bestowed with the highest honor he could get in the year that he was caught cheating in an attempt to get ahead (thereby increasing his odds of winning said award). So by your last post is your stance that the cheater should be rewarded?

Belichick did a whole lot more that wasn't cheating mj. He did a lot of solid coaching, preparing and managing of his team. Again !

The man who took the heat for cheating against the Jets in game one got caught and was penalized along with the organization mj. It's done!

How long does he have to pay for that lack of good judgement mj when he's paid the price already?

How long before you forgive him mj? See how I am then with TT? Some things just too tough for us simple mortals to find forgiveness for.

When it's now obvious all those who count in deciding he deserved the HONOR of Coach of the year must have to vote him through.

Now the part about Randy Moss and Bill Belichick will be written about and dicussed for decades mj, as the acquisition of Moss is simply put HUGE in making the Pat's obviously the choice to win the Super Bowl.

Randy Moss is the difference maker. We've witnessed that for most of his awesome career havn't we mj? Just a flat out GREAT wide receiver that can dominate a game like few WR's ever have been capable of.

So the cheater gets a free pass from you because he shrewdly signed the player you wanted us to have, but TT, who didn't cheat, but just failed to sign Moss gets heaps of scorn from you? Where is your scorn for the cheater? Success covers all sins? I don't understand the way you think.

[Bretsky]

who just edited my post instead of using a quote? I didn't write that stuff lol

Dammit I'm trying to get tech fancy and then f'cked that up

I'm trying to redo something now

[GrnBay007]

who just edited my post instead of using a quote? I didn't write that stuff lol

Dammit I'm trying to get tech fancy and then f'cked that up

I'm trying to redo something now

Hacker! :P

[Bretsky]

You get a call from your kid's principle at school to come in for a parent meeting. Find out your kid was cheating on a big semester test. Are you going to sympathize then because your kid was under so much "pressure" to get things accomplished and to succeed so the might get a scholarship?

Does everybody cheat this way ? Because in the multi million dollar profession of football everybody bends/breaks the rules to get an edge. That's the detail everybody chooses to ignore. Comparing it to a high school test doesn't hold for me. I'd be disappointed in my daughter but it'd be a learning experience.

You are married to the "perfect" woman....wonderful wife/mother. One day you walk in and find her cheating on you with the mailman (sorry Joe ). The next Sunday you go to Church and find out some little committee nominated her for wife/mother of the year. Hmmm....you going to be sympathetic because she probably only did the mailman because she was under so much pressure and stress to succeed with you in the bedroom.....you know what they say, practice makes perfect!!!

Made up example; your kids would have to nominate you for mother of the year.......which could be separate from being a great spouse........and your husband isn't nominating you for wife of the year if you are banging Joe Mailman.

And those who voted for BB know everybody bends the rules; listen to the rants among the ESPN guys. The voting committee and nation wouldn't know Joe Mailman was banging my wife. Maybe if they were in a 3sum we'd be giving Joe Mailman some awards
:P
maybe time for us to agree to disagree.....but at least I got my rant in.

You are right; we should agree to disagree.

[Deputy Nutz]

I believe 16-0 is very worthy of coach of the year. I also believe a coach that was caught cheating should also not be in the running for the award....I don't care if it had been MM....I'd feel the same.

Your position on this surprises me B. You were in sports all those years and I'm betting you would like to see your kids in sports. Will a cheating coach not bother you then either?

Why is society becoming "OK" with letting wrong stuff slide?

I've also been a coach with the pressure to win in high school
My job has pressures to find loopholes to get things accomplished

I've always walked along the lines of using any loophole I can find to succeed.

The NFL has far greater pressures; they all do this in some sort of way; we are fooling ourselves if we think differently

To me this is no BFD

It is amazing that most don't understand this concept.

You get a call from your kid's principle at school to come in for a parent meeting. Find out your kid was cheating on a big semester test. Are you going to sympathize then because your kid was under so much "pressure" to get things accomplished and to succeed so the might get a scholarship?

You are married to the "perfect" woman....wonderful wife/mother. One day you walk in and find her cheating on you with the mailman (sorry Joe ). The next Sunday you go to Church and find out some little committee nominated her for wife/mother of the year. Hmmm....you going to be sympathetic because she probably only did the mailman because she was under so much pressure and stress to succeed with you in the bedroom.....you know what they say, practice makes perfect!!!

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maybe time for us to agree to disagree.....but at least I got my rant in.

If claim cheating is cheating regardless of circumstance and situation than your point is well, taken.

[MJZiggy]

You get a call from your kid's principle at school to come in for a parent meeting. Find out your kid was cheating on a big semester test. Are you going to sympathize then because your kid was under so much "pressure" to get things accomplished and to succeed so the might get a scholarship?

Does everybody cheat this way ? Because in the multi million dollar profession of football everybody bends/breaks the rules to get an edge. That's the detail everybody chooses to ignore. Comparing it to a high school test doesn't hold for me. I'd be disappointed in my daughter but it'd be a learning experience.

You are married to the "perfect" woman....wonderful wife/mother. One day you walk in and find her cheating on you with the mailman (sorry Joe ). The next Sunday you go to Church and find out some little committee nominated her for wife/mother of the year. Hmmm....you going to be sympathetic because she probably only did the mailman because she was under so much pressure and stress to succeed with you in the bedroom.....you know what they say, practice makes perfect!!!

Made up example; your kids would have to nominate you for mother of the year.......which could be separate from being a great spouse........and your husband isn't nominating you for wife of the year if you are banging Joe Mailman.

And those who voted for BB know everybody bends the rules; listen to the rants among the ESPN guys. The voting committee and nation wouldn't know Joe Mailman was banging my wife. Maybe if they were in a 3sum we'd be giving Joe Mailman some awards
:P
maybe time for us to agree to disagree.....but at least I got my rant in.

You are right; we should agree to disagree.

I can't wait til Joe reads this...so cheating's ok as long as you're a professional and other teams might be trying to cheat too? Whatever happened to just dominating the other team? And if they weren't getting any benefit out of the cheating why bother? And if they were able to dominate everyone else like they have this season why bother? Unless it did help them somehow? Unless their domination this season is in part because of what they learned watching the defensive signals from last season?

I don't know these answers I'm just tossing questions. Seems like a hell of a risk to take if you're getting such a marginal benefit from it. Either way it's cheating--regardless of the excuses or circumstances.

[Bretsky]

You get a call from your kid's principle at school to come in for a parent meeting. Find out your kid was cheating on a big semester test. Are you going to sympathize then because your kid was under so much "pressure" to get things accomplished and to succeed so the might get a scholarship?

Does everybody cheat this way ? Because in the multi million dollar profession of football everybody bends/breaks the rules to get an edge. That's the detail everybody chooses to ignore. Comparing it to a high school test doesn't hold for me. I'd be disappointed in my daughter but it'd be a learning experience.

You are married to the "perfect" woman....wonderful wife/mother. One day you walk in and find her cheating on you with the mailman (sorry Joe ). The next Sunday you go to Church and find out some little committee nominated her for wife/mother of the year. Hmmm....you going to be sympathetic because she probably only did the mailman because she was under so much pressure and stress to succeed with you in the bedroom.....you know what they say, practice makes perfect!!!

Made up example; your kids would have to nominate you for mother of the year.......which could be separate from being a great spouse........and your husband isn't nominating you for wife of the year if you are banging Joe Mailman.

And those who voted for BB know everybody bends the rules; listen to the rants among the ESPN guys. The voting committee and nation wouldn't know Joe Mailman was banging my wife. Maybe if they were in a 3sum we'd be giving Joe Mailman some awards
:P
maybe time for us to agree to disagree.....but at least I got my rant in.

You are right; we should agree to disagree.

I can't wait til Joe reads this...so cheating's ok as long as you're a professional and other teams might be trying to cheat too? Whatever happened to just dominating the other team? And if they weren't getting any benefit out of the cheating why bother? And if they were able to dominate everyone else like they have this season why bother? Unless it did help them somehow? Unless their domination this season is in part because of what they learned watching the defensive signals from last season?

I don't know these answers I'm just tossing questions. Seems like a hell of a risk to take if you're getting such a marginal benefit from it. Either way it's cheating--regardless of the excuses or circumstances.

I'd like to be the first to nominate Joe for

MAILMAN OF THE YEAR !!

[MJZiggy]

ROFL

[GrnBay007]

I'd like to be the first to nominate Joe for

MAILMAN OF THE YEAR !!

Poor Joe is over in RR trying to make sure the next President does a good job running our Country and here we are talking about him. :P :P

[Bretsky]

I'd like to be the first to nominate Joe for

MAILMAN OF THE YEAR !!

Poor Joe is over in RR trying to make sure the next President does a good job running our Country and here we are talking about him. :P :P

He's choosing to do the political BS over multiple chick grailism

[packinpatland]

MJZiggy says, and makes a good point:

"so cheating's ok as long as you're a professional and other teams might be trying to cheat too? Whatever happened to just dominating the other team? And if they weren't getting any benefit out of the cheating why bother? And if they were able to dominate everyone else like they have this season why bother? Unless it did help them somehow? Unless their domination this season is in part because of what they learned watching the defensive signals from last season? "

So.........why did they spy, I mean film, the Packers last season? They couldn't have known GB would be 13-3 this year and there'd be a possible match-up.
Why? Because it's what they do, they used those signals during the game...or at least until their cameraman got his behind carted out of the stadium.

It really is a shame. There's little doubt that the Patriots are a really, really good team. But for this 'breaking of a written rule' their Perfect Season' will always come under some degree scrutiny.

[Bretsky]

MJZiggy says, and makes a good point:

"so cheating's ok as long as you're a professional and other teams might be trying to cheat too? Whatever happened to just dominating the other team? And if they weren't getting any benefit out of the cheating why bother? And if they were able to dominate everyone else like they have this season why bother? Unless it did help them somehow? Unless their domination this season is in part because of what they learned watching the defensive signals from last season? "

So.........why did they spy, I mean film, the Packers last season? They couldn't have known GB would be 13-3 this year and there'd be a possible match-up.
Why? Because it's what they do, they used those signals during the game...or at least until their cameraman got his behind carted out of the stadium.


I've cheated before and it didn't help me one bit; this logic is FULL of ASSUMptions

It really is a shame. There's little doubt that the Patriots are a really, really good team. But for this 'breaking of a written rule' their Perfect Season' will always come under some degree scrutiny.

[Bretsky]

MJZiggy says, and makes a good point:

"so cheating's ok as long as you're a professional and other teams might be trying to cheat too? Whatever happened to just dominating the other team? And if they weren't getting any benefit out of the cheating why bother? And if they were able to dominate everyone else like they have this season why bother? Unless it did help them somehow? Unless their domination this season is in part because of what they learned watching the defensive signals from last season? "

So.........why did they spy, I mean film, the Packers last season? They couldn't have known GB would be 13-3 this year and there'd be a possible match-up.
Why? Because it's what they do, they used those signals during the game...or at least until their cameraman got his behind carted out of the stadium.


It really is a shame. There's little doubt that the Patriots are a really, really good team. But for this 'breaking of a written rule' their Perfect Season' will always come under some degree scrutiny.

I've cheated before and it didn't help me one bit; this logic is FULL of ASSUMptions

[MJZiggy]

Then I really don't understand...why did you cheat if it didn't help you any (and by the way, like I said in my post, I was just tossing questions)?

[esoxx]

Bill Belichick is a scum sucking cockroach. Still, it doesn't bother me that he won Coach of the Year. Just the fact that this raises the cheating scandal for conversation, and brings it back to life, is enough for me.
Actions have consequences. BB has lost some of his public standing in the eyes of many, not that he probably cares much.