Belichick Voted Coach of the Year

[MJZiggy]

To my mind he'll always be a cheater. This season for him will always be tarnished. However, to my mind he starts with a clean slate next year. If he earns the award next year when he hasn't cheated for it, so be it. But there will always be the wonder in the back of my mind as to how much of his genius this season was learned by watching the tapes he made of defensive calls from last year.

And I can pretty much guarantee you that this Randy Moss discussion will not go on for decades unless that is how long you intend to keep bringing it up.

[MOBB DEEP]

the world is going to hell in a hand crate...and sports are merely a microcosm

we're in the age of "anything goes..."

how can that possibly be good in the grand scheme o things?

he's arrogant, dismissive, and says screw the unwritten rules predicated on morality; whereas dungy promotes "doin it the right way" (i know MANY in the nfl would do what BB did, but can u see dungy advocating that?)

it's a no-brainer for thoughtful folk..either MM or.....

GET ROMEO..............!!!!!!!!!

[Scott Campbell]

I told you it was like reading ransom notes.

[woodbuck27]

I told you it was like reading ransom notes.

READ this Pokey.

Offseason both quiet and noisy

The Packers added just one free agent during the offseason — backup cornerback Frank Walker — which generated criticism of Thompson by fans and media. But the most controversial decision came when Thompson failed to trade for Oakland Raiders receiver Randy Moss, who instead was shipped to the New England Patriots on draft weekend.

Thompson's failure to give the Packers' offense a boost drew criticism from an unlikely source — Favre.

However, Thompson and Favre patched up their differences, and the Packers boasted one of the deepest receiving corps in the league with holdovers Donald Driver and Greg Jennings and the addition of Koren Robinson and rookie James Jones.

Some still wonder how much better the Packers might be with Moss, who posted a record-breaking season with the Patriots.

As usual Scott:

I win !!

[woodbuck27]

I told you it was like reading ransom notes.

READ this Pokey. I'm not the only Packer fan disappointed in TT's performancwe over this past season.

Offseason both quiet and noisy Borrowed fer. another thread

The Packers added just one free agent during the offseason — backup cornerback Frank Walker — which generated criticism of Thompson by fans and media. But the most controversial decision came when Thompson failed to trade for Oakland Raiders receiver Randy Moss, who instead was shipped to the New England Patriots on draft weekend.

Thompson's failure to give the Packers' offense a boost drew criticism from an unlikely source — Favre.

However, Thompson and Favre patched up their differences, and the Packers boasted one of the deepest receiving corps in the league with holdovers Donald Driver and Greg Jennings and the addition of Koren Robinson and rookie James Jones.

Some still wonder how much better the Packers might be with Moss, who posted a record-breaking season with the Patriots.

As usual Scott:

I . . .well you know

[Cheesehead Craig]

If he is ours we go to and win the Super Bowl or not but our chances are really enhanced. That's the one that slipped under the radar of TT's foresight.

He and everyone here should be reminded of what a dumbass move that was to allow NE to have Randy Moss so DAM cheap. Forget the real chance that having that talent would have given us as really serious contenders, and NOT that we're right out of it either as we have a shot.

Allowing NE to get Randy Moss so cheap is just sick!!!!

Oooooo. . . is this one of those deja vous moments? I think it is.

This is all you ever talk about. We get it. We know how you feel about it. Move on. Say something different for a change.

No, I'm not some "TT apologist" or anything like that. Your constant railing on this issue is beyond annoying.

Oooooo. . . is this one of those deja vous moments? I think it is.

[Bretsky]

Anyone surprised?

Nobody should have been. Anybody paying attention to when most of the votes are taken would know anybody on the border between MM and BB probably chose BB after the Bears disaster.

[Bretsky]

Some of you need to just let it go, his team went 16-0 for god's sake. When was the last time it was done? I remember a lot of teams going 13-3.

[Bretsky]

BB is not that great of a coach folks. HE has the talent around him to be great. Look at his years as a browns head coach I dont think he did anything that great there...

Come on; BB stunk in Cleveland. People learn. BB is the best coach in the NFL. His past three Super Bowl titles speak volumes to that. He's beaten teams with equal of better talent plenty of times in the past. His game planning is amazing. He belongs with the best of the best.

[Bretsky]

My older brother and I were having a friendly argument/discussion the other day about Belichick and Spygate, and he defended the position that there was too much made of the whole thing and Belichick was punished well enough. I strongly disagreed with him, and called him a Belichick apologist. We were watching the Giants/Patriots game and I was rooting for the Pats to lose because I didn't want to see the 'Cheat go undefeated. He said it was fun to watch them play, and while I can't disagree that they are a great team, it doesn't change the taste in my mouth over what someone would do against the rules to try and win. I think the NFL wanted everyone to think that they came hard after BB, but really the punishment was light. Robert Kraft probably paid his 500K fine out of some other business he has and he told his accountant to try and deduct it or write it off the books, and as for the losing the draft pick, yeah, that's tough, but thanks to the over-exuberant 49'ers thinking this was their year and giving away their 2008 first round pick (#7 as it's turning out), to get the Patriots 2007 #28 pick, the Patriots have an even better first round pick to more than make up for the loss, plus the Patriots smartly used the 4th rounder that the 49'ers also included in the draft day deal last year to give to Oakland for Randy Moss before TT could give his 4th to Al Davis. How did BB and NE suffer? It's ridiculous to insist that they suffered for what they did.

They should have had to forfeit that game against the Jets, which would have tarnished the perfect record, and BB should have been suspended 4 games and fined as well. Hell, Wade Wilson, the Dallas QB's coach was suspended at least that many games for taking HGH under a doctor's orders, not even enhancing anything, while BB openly goes against the rules, cheats, never shows contrition and gets a light punishment. Then the league destroys the evidence as quickly as it can and levies the punishment because they want the issue to go away very quickly and not hurt the league's image, and the image of one of the best teams. It stinks.

[/soapbox]

This is still my favorite thing after the scandal....

I know I'm in the minority when I say this; I agree with your brother.

[Bretsky]

I've tried to stay out of this, but I just cant.

In baseball there are people trying to steal signals during the game all the time. Watch a hitters eyes look back and down while getting into his stance. There is waaaaay too much being made about this video taping.

If you think that no one has ever cheated fine, but thats just not reality. The Pats just happened to get caught. 16-0 has never been done and it had little to do with attempting to lip-read a defensive coordinator IMO.

[Bretsky]

I was taking it to an extreme. I'm trying to point out that cheating in the NFL happens all the time. Every play. Holding is cheating. Roughing the passer is cheating. If you think no Packers have ever used HGH you're fooling yourself.

Its just not a big deal to me. Its a sport for entertainment. I have a hard time getting worked up over it I guess.

STOP being a wuss in your argument. What BB did had little effects on much of anything and other teams try it. The Jets were caught doing it last year but it was wiped under the table because they suck. Mangini hates BB and got him. This is much ado about nothing and the fair punishments have been handed out. It's a great topic for the Patriot haters; that's about it. Now fight with me and stop backing down

[b bulldog]

16-0, it is a nobrainer although I wish MM would have won the award.

[Bretsky]

I tend to look at it as this is a sport that a lot of kids are addicted to. They watch, follow and learn. In baseball they're trying to steal signals, but you don't see the third base coach with a video camera trying to get a better shot of the catcher...

The Pats got caught, more than once and tried to play it off. This season should be toast for them as far as getting rewards and honors go. Maybe it wasn't a big deal to you but millions of kids just saw the known cheater get the biggest honor the coach can get for it. (besides winning the SB)

Down with the only cheater in the world; if coaches are role models these days than we are all in trouble.

[MJZiggy]

Then we are all in trouble.