Belichick Voted Coach of the Year

[esoxx]

My older brother and I were having a friendly argument/discussion the other day about Belichick and Spygate, and he defended the position that there was too much made of the whole thing and Belichick was punished well enough. I strongly disagreed with him, and called him a Belichick apologist. We were watching the Giants/Patriots game and I was rooting for the Pats to lose because I didn't want to see the 'Cheat go undefeated. He said it was fun to watch them play, and while I can't disagree that they are a great team, it doesn't change the taste in my mouth over what someone would do against the rules to try and win. I think the NFL wanted everyone to think that they came hard after BB, but really the punishment was light. Robert Kraft probably paid his 500K fine out of some other business he has and he told his accountant to try and deduct it or write it off the books, and as for the losing the draft pick, yeah, that's tough, but thanks to the over-exuberant 49'ers thinking this was their year and giving away their 2008 first round pick (#7 as it's turning out), to get the Patriots 2007 #28 pick, the Patriots have an even better first round pick to more than make up for the loss, plus the Patriots smartly used the 4th rounder that the 49'ers also included in the draft day deal last year to give to Oakland for Randy Moss before TT could give his 4th to Al Davis. How did BB and NE suffer? It's ridiculous to insist that they suffered for what they did.

They should have had to forfeit that game against the Jets, which would have tarnished the perfect record, and BB should have been suspended 4 games and fined as well. Hell, Wade Wilson, the Dallas QB's coach was suspended at least that many games for taking HGH under a doctor's orders, not even enhancing anything, while BB openly goes against the rules, cheats, never shows contrition and gets a light punishment. Then the league destroys the evidence as quickly as it can and levies the punishment because they want the issue to go away very quickly and not hurt the league's image, and the image of one of the best teams. It stinks.

[/soapbox]

This is still my favorite thing after the scandal....

I know I'm in the minority when I say this; I agree with your brother.

I would disagree with his brother.

This is one of the few things we disagree on. Part of it could be fogged by your manlove for the Patriots and part of it could be fogged by my manhate for the Patriots.

You know I've long favored a more harsh punishment, such as disbanding the team after the season with a dispersal draft.

Maybe that's a bit harsh.

I would settle for a public caning, 50 lashes.

[Bretsky]

Then I really don't understand...why did you cheat if it didn't help you any (and by the way, like I said in my post, I was just tossing questions)?

Maybe I cheated thinking it would give me an advantage and it didn't one d@m bit ?

[Bretsky]

My older brother and I were having a friendly argument/discussion the other day about Belichick and Spygate, and he defended the position that there was too much made of the whole thing and Belichick was punished well enough. I strongly disagreed with him, and called him a Belichick apologist. We were watching the Giants/Patriots game and I was rooting for the Pats to lose because I didn't want to see the 'Cheat go undefeated. He said it was fun to watch them play, and while I can't disagree that they are a great team, it doesn't change the taste in my mouth over what someone would do against the rules to try and win. I think the NFL wanted everyone to think that they came hard after BB, but really the punishment was light. Robert Kraft probably paid his 500K fine out of some other business he has and he told his accountant to try and deduct it or write it off the books, and as for the losing the draft pick, yeah, that's tough, but thanks to the over-exuberant 49'ers thinking this was their year and giving away their 2008 first round pick (#7 as it's turning out), to get the Patriots 2007 #28 pick, the Patriots have an even better first round pick to more than make up for the loss, plus the Patriots smartly used the 4th rounder that the 49'ers also included in the draft day deal last year to give to Oakland for Randy Moss before TT could give his 4th to Al Davis. How did BB and NE suffer? It's ridiculous to insist that they suffered for what they did.

They should have had to forfeit that game against the Jets, which would have tarnished the perfect record, and BB should have been suspended 4 games and fined as well. Hell, Wade Wilson, the Dallas QB's coach was suspended at least that many games for taking HGH under a doctor's orders, not even enhancing anything, while BB openly goes against the rules, cheats, never shows contrition and gets a light punishment. Then the league destroys the evidence as quickly as it can and levies the punishment because they want the issue to go away very quickly and not hurt the league's image, and the image of one of the best teams. It stinks.

[/soapbox]

This is still my favorite thing after the scandal....

I know I'm in the minority when I say this; I agree with your brother.

I would disagree with his brother.

This is one of the few things we disagree on. Part of it could be fogged by your manlove for the Patriots and part of it could be fogged by my manhate for the Patriots.

You know I've long favored a more harsh punishment, such as disbanding the team after the season with a dispersal draft.

Maybe that's a bit harsh.

I would settle for a public caning, 50 lashes.

50 lashes

I'd be happier if they took the Pats 1st of the two 1st round picks so they don't get to add another great player.

I don't condone this one bit; but I don't buy that it gave NE much...if any...competitive advantage

[packinpatland]

MJZiggy says, and makes a good point:

"so cheating's ok as long as you're a professional and other teams might be trying to cheat too? Whatever happened to just dominating the other team? And if they weren't getting any benefit out of the cheating why bother? And if they were able to dominate everyone else like they have this season why bother? Unless it did help them somehow? Unless their domination this season is in part because of what they learned watching the defensive signals from last season? "

So.........why did they spy, I mean film, the Packers last season? They couldn't have known GB would be 13-3 this year and there'd be a possible match-up.
Why? Because it's what they do, they used those signals during the game...or at least until their cameraman got his behind carted out of the stadium.


It really is a shame. There's little doubt that the Patriots are a really, really good team. But for this 'breaking of a written rule' their Perfect Season' will always come under some degree scrutiny.

I've cheated before and it didn't help me one bit; this logic is FULL of ASSUMptions

Did one of their of the videographer/cameramen get removed from Lambeau or not? I'm not making this stuff up. It happened.

[MJZiggy]

Then I really don't understand...why did you cheat if it didn't help you any (and by the way, like I said in my post, I was just tossing questions)?

Maybe I cheated thinking it would give me an advantage and it didn't one d@m bit ?

Then you cheated and it didn't help you at all...did you do it again the following season?

[b bulldog]

He did get removed but as far as this scandal goes, they were caught in week one than they went 15-0 after that and for those of you who say that they could have used the terminology ect that they got before, all a team would have to do is change their calls ect to compensate for this advantage the Pats had. It is time for people to admit their jealousy and move on.

[MJZiggy]

Actually, I'm not jealous. Right now I'm curious as to B's logic and his thinking on this (because it seems to be in conflict with what I know of him so far).

I did not dislike the Pats this past offseason. Let me qualify that. Belichick's arrogance was starting to bug me a bit. Then I find out that the arrogant one has been cheating, and if that's not bad enough, he take the "FU attitude" because he got caught. He spreads it to his team (who no longer seem to have any fun playing the game) and begins acting like a total prick (and I don't use that word often) disrespecting his opponents, the media and the fans. That's why I don't like him.

Mike McCarthy may not have won EVERY game this season, but he's won enough and he ALWAYS shows respect for the people he deals with and if I'm not mistaken his team has a helluva lot of fun out there which makes them a helluva lot of fun to watch.

[Bretsky]

MJZiggy says, and makes a good point:

"so cheating's ok as long as you're a professional and other teams might be trying to cheat too? Whatever happened to just dominating the other team? And if they weren't getting any benefit out of the cheating why bother? And if they were able to dominate everyone else like they have this season why bother? Unless it did help them somehow? Unless their domination this season is in part because of what they learned watching the defensive signals from last season? "

So.........why did they spy, I mean film, the Packers last season? They couldn't have known GB would be 13-3 this year and there'd be a possible match-up.
Why? Because it's what they do, they used those signals during the game...or at least until their cameraman got his behind carted out of the stadium.


It really is a shame. There's little doubt that the Patriots are a really, really good team. But for this 'breaking of a written rule' their Perfect Season' will always come under some degree scrutiny.

I've cheated before and it didn't help me one bit; this logic is FULL of ASSUMptions

Did one of their of the videographer/cameramen get removed from Lambeau or not? I'm not making this stuff up. It happened.

Now are you talking about when the Pats guy got removed or the Jets guy got removed ? Why again does everybody ignore the Jets guy ...oh right...because they suck

[Bretsky]

Then I really don't understand...why did you cheat if it didn't help you any (and by the way, like I said in my post, I was just tossing questions)?

Maybe I cheated thinking it would give me an advantage and it didn't one d@m bit ?

Then you cheated and it didn't help you at all...did you do it again the following season?

YUP; Spelling tests in grade school. I'd copy words from people who didn't spell as well as I did. Stupid me !

[Bretsky]

Actually, I'm not jealous. Right now I'm curious as to B's logic and his thinking on this (because it seems to be in conflict with what I know of him so far).

I did not dislike the Pats this past offseason. Let me qualify that. Belichick's arrogance was starting to bug me a bit. Then I find out that the arrogant one has been cheating, and if that's not bad enough, he take the "FU attitude" because he got caught. He spreads it to his team (who no longer seem to have any fun playing the game) and begins acting like a total prick (and I don't use that word often) disrespecting his opponents, the media and the fans. That's why I don't like him.

Mike McCarthy may not have won EVERY game this season, but he's won enough and he ALWAYS shows respect for the people he deals with and if I'm not mistaken his team has a helluva lot of fun out there which makes them a helluva lot of fun to watch.

Bellickek has always acted like a prick as a coach; that didn't start anytime this year. His arrogance has been around for a long time now. No different this year from last and that's why many coaches around the league do not like the guy. To argue Spygate made BB any worse or better is just using an excuse to show more hate.

Have you seen the Pats interviews ? I'm confused as to how you can even make the point his players do not like the game. They are just focused in winning; other than that they seem to enjoy things as much as anybody.....and in the locker room they also seem as unified as anybody

[Scott Campbell]

As usual Scott:

I win !!

Perhaps its just some of that "false pride" you keep preaching about.