Randy Moss refused to play for Packers, hung up on calls

[twoseven]

The way I read that, is if the Packers made Moss feel welcome and told him they'd love to have a spectacular talent like him on the team he'd be here. Instead they tried to tell him he was worse than Driver and better thank us for giving him a chance.

Yeah right. Moss might be the greatest offensive weapon to ever play the game.

We only got RM's side of the phone call, but if it's remotely true our guys need some work on their salemenship/wooing skills. I too love to be reminded of my shortcomings and have people suggest I toe the line as someone is negotiating that I come and work with them.

I totally agree. I don't think that if we pursue guys like Ricky Williams, Viking RB (fake urine), Odell Thurman, etc. that we should ever talk with them about their past, how they will fit in, team chemistry, etc. That is just stupid.

Just sign them and be done with it.

What was I thinking, if anyone could convince Rickey Williams to give up his weed it would be TT and the GBP.

TT: Rickey?
RW:Yeah TT?
TT: We want your abilities at RB but you can't smoke weed in GB.
RW: But everyone knows I smoke and can't quit, why bring it up?
TT: Yeah, I know, but we haven't given you OUR lecture yet.
RW: I suppose.
TT: I'll make it easy, do you promise to give it up as long as you are in GB?
RW: Hmm. Sure.
TT: Scout's honor?
RW: Huh, waddaya mean? Um, I bought weed from a scout once I think.
TT: Jamboree, I bet, they have these fundraisers every year.
RW: Cool.
TT: Umm, forget the scouts, pinky swear?
RW: Sure, pinky swear.
TT: One more thing Rickey
RW: Uh huh?
TT: Ryan Grant is our RB, oustanding kid, great season he just had!
RW: Uh huh..
TT: Don't step on his toes, Ok? He's the man here.
RW: Ok, but won't that settle itself on the field?
TT: Probably, but I feel like I need to tell you upfront, ya know?
RW: Put me in my place even though I might have more talent?
TT: Exactly! By the way..
RW: Yes?
TT: Nobody else on this team smokes weed either.
RW: Ok?
TT: Just don't want you, ya know, being a bad influence on teammates.
RW: But they're grown men and professionals..
TT: I know, but I'm kind of like their dad, you understand.
RW: Got it. Do you handle all your FAs like this?
TT: Only the troublemakers.
RW: How's it working out so far?
TT: We've only signed four FAs in three years, but no troublemakers.
RW: Great, great.
TT: Yep, and we've got a great feeling about you.
RW: Right, right..
TT: I hear you have a wonderful pregame ritual..meditation or something?
RW: Uh, yeah, it's meditation, that's what it is.
TT: Sounds fabulous, you'll have to show me sometime.
RW: (snickers) I just might do that. Do you like Cheetohs?
TT: I'm an Old Dutch man, myself.
RW: Old school cat, I'm feelin' ya.
TT: So, Rickey.. big guy.. my man..... no more weed, riggggght?
RW: I haven't been able to shake it anywhere else, but GB seems different.
TT: Spectacular, Rickey, glad that's settled (walks away)
RW: Me too..(chuckles to himself as he rolls one)

[Scott Campbell]

Your boreing me.

I will endeavour to be more entertaining. Count on it.

[Scott Campbell]

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Edited for more appropriate Koren Robinson reference.

What was I thinking, if anyone could convince Koren Robinson to give up his booze it would be TT and the GBP.

TT: Koren?
KR:Yeah TT?
TT: We want your abilities at WR but you can't drink booze in GB.
KR: But everyone knows I drink and can't quit, why bring it up?
TT: Yeah, I know, but we haven't given you OUR lecture yet.
KR: I suppose.
TT: I'll make it easy, do you promise to give it up as long as you are in GB?
KR: Hmm. Sure.
TT: Scout's honor?
KR: Huh, waddaya mean? Um, I bought booze from a scout once I think.
TT: Jamboree, I bet, they have these fundraisers every year.
KR: Cool.
TT: Umm, forget the scouts, pinky swear?
KR: Sure, pinky swear.
TT: One more thing Koren.
KR: Uh huh?
TT: Greg Jennings is our #2 WR, oustanding kid, great season he just had!
KR: Uh huh..
TT: Don't step on his toes, Ok? He's the man here.
KR: Ok, but won't that settle itself on the field?
TT: Probably, but I feel like I need to tell you upfront, ya know?
KR: Put me in my place even though I might have more talent?
TT: Exactly! By the way..
KR: Yes?
TT: Nobody else on this team has multiple DUI's either.
KR: Ok?
TT: Just don't want you, ya know, being a bad influence on teammates.
KR: But they're grown men and professionals..
TT: I know, but I'm kind of like their dad, you understand.
KR: Got it. Do you handle all your FAs like this?
TT: Only the troublemakers.
KR: How's it working out so far?
TT: We're going to the NFC Championship game. Do you want in or not?
KR: Great, great.
TT: Yep, and we've got a great feeling about you.
KR: Right, right..
TT: I hear you have a wonderful pregame ritual..meditation or something?
KR: Uh, yeah, it's meditation, that's what it is.
TT: Sounds fabulous, you'll have to show me sometime.
KR: (snickers) I just might do that. Do you like Cheetohs?
TT: I'm an Old Dutch man, myself.
KR: Old school cat, I'm feelin' ya.
TT: So, Koren.. big guy.. my man..... no more booze, riggggght?
KR: I haven't been able to shake it anywhere else, but GB seems different.
TT: Spectacular, Koren, glad that's settled.
KR: Me too. Thanks for taking a chance on me Ted. Where do I sign?

[the_idle_threat]

The article is here:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=713137

Read it, and you might notice something. For any of you who are using this story to bash TT over the head, the guy Moss actually talked to was McCarthy, not TT. Now, surely TT was involved in negotiations with the agent and he had the ultimate responsibility, but it sounds like it was M3's tough, no nonsense style that really turned Randy off. It's known that the same style had a similar effect on Charles Woodson at first.

Anybody who reads this story as a failure on TT's part without sharing the "blame" liberally with M3 is just reading an agenda into it and ignoring the facts.

I don't have a problem with how it turned out. As Patler pointed out, everybody won. The Raiders were as happy as they could have been given the situation in getting something for Moss. Moss went to the team he preferred. The Packers ended up with an outstanding WR corps anyway and no looming locker room cancer on a young team with a young coach.

[woodbuck27]

Your boreing me.

I will endeavour to be more entertaining. Count on it.

If your ability to entertain 10% equaled your obsession ** to stalk I'd refer you to Vegas Scott.

** What is it about that anyway Scottie? Did you find a Pic of me on the Net and get turned on?

You sassy boy!

[Scott Campbell]

Did you find a Pic of me on the Net and get turned on?

You got me. I have a fetish for grumpy old men in diapers.

[Partial]

The point is they felt him out and Moss wasn't into it. That's not a failure imo. There's no room for a Rodger Clements on this team. No one should get special treatment. Not even Brett.

[cpk1994]

The point is they felt him out and Moss wasn't into it. That's not a failure imo. There's no room for a Rodger Clements on this team. No one should get special treatment. Not even Brett.

Who is Rodger Clements? Roger Clemens, I know, but Rodger Clements?

[woodbuck27]

The article is here:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=713137

Read it, and you might notice something. For any of you who are using this story to bash TT over the head, the guy Moss actually talked to was McCarthy, not TT. Now, surely TT was involved in negotiations with the agent and he had the ultimate responsibility, but it sounds like it was M3's tough, no nonsense style that really turned Randy off. It's known that the same style had a similar effect on Charles Woodson at first.

Anybody who reads this story as a failure on TT's part without sharing the "blame" liberally with M3 is just reading an agenda into it and ignoring the facts.

I don't have a problem with how it turned out. As Patler pointed out, everybody won. The Raiders were as happy as they could have been given the situation in getting something for Moss. Moss went to the team he preferred. The Packers ended up with an outstanding WR corps anyway and no looming locker room cancer on a young team with a young coach.

I'll lay the meat of it down here:

Were things a little bit different nine months ago, Moss might have been doing his winning in Green Bay.

The Packers reached a tentative agreement with the Oakland Raiders to send a fifth-round draft choice for Moss and were given permission to negotiate a new contract with him. Under the terms of his deal with the Raiders, Moss was scheduled to make base salaries of $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008.

The Packers wanted to cut his salary down to less than $3 million.

On the Friday before the draft, Moss' agent arranged for his client to speak to coach Mike McCarthy on the telephone.

Moss didn't like what he heard.

Asked what he considered the "wrong things" the Packers were talking about, Moss said, "It was like they were telling me that they're going to take a chance on me, but if you do come here these are the things you have to work out:

'Be on your best behavior; Donald Driver is the top receiver here so don't come in there trying to step on his toes.' Things like that.

"I didn't think that was right because my whole career things have been taken out of (context) at times, but at the end of the day all I wanted to do was win games. I don't feel they (the Packers) really wanted me. Brett wanted me, but I don't think the Packers' organization wanted me."

The Packers, in fact, were interested in Moss, but McCarthy had a young team and didn't want the mercurial receiver disrupting his clubhouse and setting a bad example the way he had through various stages of his time in Minnesota and Oakland.

"Is it too much to ask a guy to be a good citizen?" McCarthy said.

"I think that's reasonable. He and I talked about fit. I said,

'I think No. 1, is this a good fit for you and a good fit for us?' We talked about how we would use him, the starting point once he got here. But I don't recall ever having a conversation where we gave him conditions ."

Contrary to reports that Favre had spoken to Moss in an attempt to recruit him, Moss said he and Favre never talked.

At the same time all of that was going on, the Patriots were reconsidering their interest in Moss and decided on Saturday of the draft to up the ante to a fourth-round pick. They offered Moss a one-year, $3 million deal that unlike the Packers' offer wasn't tied to meeting various performance levels.

Before the Packers knew it, Moss was a New England Patriot.

After reportedly talking to quarterback Tom Brady several times, Moss became convinced he had found the right team.

"I'm still loving what I do and being here, being a New England Patriot. I think this is were I do want to be," Moss said.

"Hopefully, we can work something out after this season is over. "The sky is the limit. I would love to retire a Patriot."

OK.

It's all about '' The facts Mame, Just the facts.''

PACKERS FOREVER!

[woodbuck27]

Did you find a Pic of me on the Net and get turned on?

You got me. I have a fetish for grumpy old men in diapers.

Hey Junior!

I can always get YOU. Set you up easily with just YOU Scott.

[Scott Campbell]

I can always get YOU. Set you up easily with just YOU Scott.

Once again, I'm not quite sure what the hell you're rambling about. I'm sure it was quite devestating in your own mind. But your efforts are somewhat wasted unless other people can interpret your "writing".

Complete sentences are your friend Woody.

[woodbuck27]

I can always get YOU. Set you up easily with just YOU Scott.

Once again, I'm not quite sure what the hell you're rambling about. I'm sure it was quite devestating in your own mind. But your efforts are somewhat wasted unless other people can interpret your "writing".

Complete sentences are your friend Woody.

Scott isn't that just your way. Like a snake slides under the rock.

Take a break poor fella. Don't you get tired trying to pull down my pants with the left hand with boot polish in the right?

Relax sonny. Rest your small mind.

Maybe you have a barnraising or maybe an ice in to attend tomorrow? Give the wives a hand with those pies. Be useful.

[woodbuck27]

The article is here:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=713137

Read it, and you might notice something. For any of you who are using this story to bash TT over the head, the guy Moss actually talked to was McCarthy, not TT. Now, surely TT was involved in negotiations with the agent and he had the ultimate responsibility, but it sounds like it was M3's tough, no nonsense style that really turned Randy off. It's known that the same style had a similar effect on Charles Woodson at first.

Anybody who reads this story as a failure on TT's part without sharing the "blame" liberally with M3 is just reading an agenda into it and ignoring the facts.

I don't have a problem with how it turned out. As Patler pointed out, everybody won. The Raiders were as happy as they could have been given the situation in getting something for Moss. Moss went to the team he preferred. The Packers ended up with an outstanding WR corps anyway and no looming locker room cancer on a young team with a young coach.

Well with that the_idle_threat, I'm outta here!

[Bossman641]

I can always get YOU. Set you up easily with just YOU Scott.

Once again, I'm not quite sure what the hell you're rambling about. I'm sure it was quite devestating in your own mind. But your efforts are somewhat wasted unless other people can interpret your "writing".

Complete sentences are your friend Woody.

Scott isn't that just your way. Like a snake slides under the rock.

Take a break poor fella. Don't you get tired trying to pull down my pants with the left hand with boot polish in the right?

Relax sonny. Rest your small mind.

Maybe you have a barnraising or maybe an ice in to attend tomorrow? Give the wives a hand with those pies. Be useful.

????

[MadtownPacker]

So does every fucking thread have to evolve into a Woody/Campbell bitchfest?