Randy Moss refused to play for Packers, hung up on calls

[woodbuck27]

What would it have said to Donald Driver if the Packers fell all over Randy Moss to get him there? Some of you are concerned with not respecting Randy Moss, how about not respecting Donald Driver?

2004, 2005 2006 combined stats:

Moss- 42 games, 151 receptions, 1,825 yards.
Driver 48 games, 262 receptions, 3,724 yards.

Based on the last three seasons, you are going to tell Driver to step aside because Randy Moss is here? No, you tell Moss that he has to come here and earn his throws, just like everyone else, because Driver and Favre have a connection that has served both well for years.

It was much easier for NE to tell him that he could come in and be #1, because they had no established primary receiving threat.

Ohhh DAM! Here comes the heavy gun!!

No! No! No! No!

TT wasn't offering the DAM world to Oakland to get Randy Moss to Green Bay. Only a mid 4th rounder. If in fact, TT had gone into all that BS on the phone, just to allow Randy Moss full knowledge that he was wanted (sarcasm intended) in Green Bay, and a deal hopefully would be done? He (TT) was certainly down the wrong path fr. Randy Moss and that wsn't a good way to say to Randy Moss the Green Bay Packers welcome YOU.

TT should never have gotten into ANY DAM politics at that stage only made a deal with Oakland.

The next thing you fellas will argue is that TT would have wanted DD to be the Number 1 WR and QB for the Packers if he had to offer a third. We are talking an outstanding prospect at WR for a team that looked thin-thin really thin in April on 'O'. If you can get a Randy Moss for a third any of YOU are you going to grab him by the balls over the phone and read him the riot act?

Why why why are all you intelligent and supposedly sensable people here defending Ted Thompson on this one? It's way beyond ridiculous in any manner of sense I can possible conjure up. I'm just astounded at how foolish a defense of TT here is!!

Again only if Randy Moss is giving the accurte account of evdents bet. him and Packer people responsible to recruit him. Now maybe that wasn't Ted Thompson? I'll read the article another time. I want to be really fair here.

Otherwise come on Ladies and gentleman.

Good grief for all that is HOLY allow this one to fall all over Ted Thompson as he blew it out of the water, if this account of the story by Randy Moss is accurate.

In other words.

If this article is accurate or the TRUTH? Then Ted Thompson acted incompetent. If after that sort of recruiting style he really felt that Randy was aboard . .

''I thought we had a deal with Oakland for Randy Moss for that 4th when I went to bed'' paraphrasing Ted Thompson on Draft Sunday.

Then Ted Thompson was sorely deluded. That's way too nice.

In fact. What we have, is just a real example of his BULLSHIT!!

PACKERS FOREVER!

[Patler]

None of us have any idea what was REALLY said, or how it was said. Egomaniac athletes, who feel DISRESPECTED by the slightest little thing, who pout when not enough throws come their way, or when their $10 million salary is surpassed by someone's $11 million salary are hardly an objective source for the reasonableness of a verbal comment or two.

TT may have said very innocently that Moss needed to come to GB and fit in with the team, and with another Pro-Bowl receiver in Driver. To Moss, the mere mention of Driver, or for that matter anyone other than Randy Moss, may have been an insult, a blatant show of DISRESPECT.

[Patler]

TT wasn't offering the DAM world to Oakland to get Randy Moss to Green Bay. Only a mid 4th rounder. If in fact, TT had gone into all that BS on the phone, just to allow Randy Moss full knowledge that he was wanted (sarcasm intended) in Green Bay, and a deal hopefully would be done? He (TT) was certainly down the wrong path fr. Randy Moss and that wsn't a good way to say to Randy Moss the Green Bay Packers welcome YOU.

TT should never have gotten into ANY DAM politics at that stage only made a deal with Oakland.

The next thing you fellas will argue is that TT would have wanted DD to be the Number 1 WR and QB for the Packers if he had to offer a third. We are talking an outstanding prospect at WR for a team that looked thin-thin really thin in April on 'O'. If you can get a Randy Moss for a third any of YOU are you going to grab him by the balls over the phone and read him the riot act?

Why why why are all you intelligent and supposedly sensable people here defending Ted Thompson on this one? It's way beyond ridiculous in any manner of sense I can possible conjure up. I'm just astounded at how foolish a defense of TT here is!!

Again only if Randy Moss is giving the accurte account of evdents bet. him and Packer people responsible to recruit him. Now maybe that wasn't Ted Thompson? I'll read the article another time. I want to be really fair here.

Otherwise come on Ladies and gentleman.

Good grief for all that is HOLY allow this one to fall all over Ted Thompson as he blew it out of the water, if this account of the story by Randy Moss is accurate.

In other words.

If this article is accurate or the TRUTH? Then Ted Thompson acted incompetent. If after that sort of recruiting style he really felt that Randy was aboard . .

''I thought we had a deal with Oakland for Randy Moss for that 4th when I went to bed'' paraphrasing Ted Thompson on Draft Sunday.

Then Ted Thompson was sorely deluded. That's way too nice.

In fact. What we have, is just a real example of his BULLSHIT!!

PACKERS FOREVER!

I believe Moss had a no trade clause, or something to the effect. At any rate it was commonly expressed that Moss had final say about what teams he would or would not go to. TT had to "play politics" and couldn't have just "made a deal with Oakland" as you expressed.

Perhaps the team "looked thin-thin really thin in April" only to us on the outside. Perhaps TT knew his receiving corp was in better shape than we thought it was. Perhaps that is why he did not view Moss as a necessity.

Defending Thompson? There is nothing to defend. It is simply a deal that never finalized. There are many, many, many deals that are discussed, that reach various levels, but are never finalized for various reasons. This was one stupid deal and you make such a big issue over it. The only thing absurd about this discussion is your belief that some how this was a defining moment in Packer history and the TT administration.

Even if TT said exactly what Moss implied he did, it was an honest statement of fact. Since you think that was an incompetent act, it paints a not so nice picture for me about you.

[Carolina_Packer]

What does anyone take from his statement that he never really wanted to come to Green Bay anyway? Doesn't that kind of say it all, regardless of how he thought he was treated? The other question I would have is, how would a team be able to legally speak with a player under contract with another team who is potential trade-bait? It's one thing if they are an UFA, but another thing if they are property of another team. I'm not sure what the rules are, but I would think it would be a no-no for any team to have contact with a guy who belongs to another team. Perhaps they didn't directly speak with him, but relayed messages through Oakland to Moss' representatives.

Bottom line is, this issue has been beaten to death and if you are still hanging onto it, you need to let it go and move on. If you want to use it as ammo to villify TT, go ahead. It will do you about as good as someone still wishing Randy was coming to Green Bay. The ship has sailed long ago. Move on!

[Patler]

The other question I would have is, how would a team be able to legally speak with a player under contract with another team who is potential trade-bait? It's one thing if they are an UFA, but another thing if they are property of another team. I'm not sure what the rules are, but I would think it would be a no-no for any team to have contact with a guy who belongs to another team. Perhaps they didn't directly speak with him, but relayed messages through Oakland to Moss' representatives.

When a team and player under contract recognize that a trade is in the interest of both parties, the team might allow a limited window for the player to seek a trade. This usually occurs when the player has a "no trade" clause, which gives him final approval anyway, or when the trade would require the player to revise his contract to make it work. It is not uncommon. The trade ends up involving both teams and the player to make it work.

[Bretsky]

Both Briggs and Hayensworth have had issues......

Not on the field they haven't. Randy's problems were greater on the field than anywhere else.

Haynesworth spiked a guy in the head with his shoes requiring stitches; doesn't that qualify with on the field issues

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The way I read that, is if the Packers made Moss feel welcome and told him they'd love to have a spectacular talent like him on the team he'd be here. Instead they tried to tell him he was worse than Driver and better thank us for giving him a chance.

Yeah right. Moss might be the greatest offensive weapon to ever play the game.

We only got RM's side of the phone call, but if it's remotely true our guys need some work on their salemenship/wooing skills. I too love to be reminded of my shortcomings and have people suggest I toe the line as someone is negotiating that I come and work with them.

I totally agree. I don't think that if we pursue guys like Ricky Williams, Viking RB (fake urine), Odell Thurman, etc. that we should ever talk with them about their past, how they will fit in, team chemistry, etc. That is just stupid.

Just sign them and be done with it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As usual we got more ridiculous out of Woody.

This is the bottom line. Moss said the "organization," not TT. Do you not think he woulda said the name of the person that pissed him off? Yep, that Moss is shy and retiring.

But, more to the point, we did nothing wrong. We talked to him about Randy and we talked about our team. That is what you do when you are INTERVIEWING a potential employee. I'm sorry, but the employee has less "rights" than the company. We do the same for everybody. Now, we have to make a special exemption for Moss. Great, we are already caving.

Just as randy is bitching so could we have signed a troubled player and he coulda turned his life around. We would be talking about what a great guy he is, newspaper articles, etc. How coming to GB was the best thing for his career.

Oh, wait. I guess we already did that with some other WR.

[Bretsky]

One point I will definitely agree with JH on.

If you want the guy you need to learn how to set the tone for getting him here.

In sales people often have to balance getting the deal with saying anything that will scare the buyer away or setting a negative tone before the deal is sealed.

This is just one bloated ego's view in RM, but if true it sounds like GB should have considered that more

[packers11]

"Among other things, the Packers wanted part of Moss’ $3 million pay for this season to come in the form of weekly bonuses that required him to be on the 45-man game-day roster. With the Patriots, Moss made the same $3 million in signing bonus and base salary, without the weekly roster bonuses. He reportedly has earned another $2 million in playing incentives — incentives similar to what the Packers are believed to have offered.

“I think Brett wanted to talk to me,” Moss said. “I think the time that he wanted to talk to me I was a little tied up. I forgot what I was doing, but I was a little tied up and was unable to talk to him. Green Bay was in the picture, but the things that was told to me about maneuvering money around and making it a good fit, the Packers were really talking a lot about the wrong things and not the right things. "

Didn't Favre state that he would give up 3 mill in his contract to acquire Moss...

Is Moss blatantly lying???

[KYPack]

Moss and his agent were given the negotiation window that Patler describes. Moss had not performed for the Raiders and they wanted out of his deal and some compensation for him. They gave Moss the shot to work a trade with other teams.

My take is the whole thing worked out for all parties.

We kept the roster room for jennings and Jones to operate in.

NE got a star reciever to help their offense,

Al Davis got more money to by that great styling gel he uses.


Let's all move on.

[woodbuck27]

I was one who advocated for signing Moss last offseason, and obviously he has produced like no other receiver in history over the course of this regular season. However, Moss's upside potential was clearly not without an equal potential for a cancerous presence if things didn't go the way he wanted them to. His continuing personal problems are also a negative weight to the team.

I think the approach taken by the organization was justified, particularly when you look at the fact that they've put together a potent receiving group without the potential cancerous presence. With the production and depth we now have, it's hard to argue we'd really be much better off with him. Someone already mentioned it, but Moss would not likely have made a big difference against the G-Men.

You can second guess every decision a GM makes. You obviously have to look at the overall body of work and the actual results.

We keep sidestepping the real issue here and turn the argument to PRO Randy Moss or not. To lay the judgement on Randy Moss based in his past. By doing this we miss the right bus out of town. We get on the wrong journey.

The real issue is.

If we wanted Randy Moss on our roster (specifically if TT did)? Then how did he slip away to NE after we are aware that TT thought that he had him on our side before retiring to bed Draft weekend - Sat. night ?

TT thought he had him? What's that about?

TT isn't paid to think he had's but to know he had's.

Now we have this reveas;ling article on TT"s method of recruitinfg that is nothing short of being purely Juvenile and an insult to the Packer Organization if it"s true.

This article on Randy Moss and why not the Green Bay Packers places the ball straight into the corner of TT's court and will be a difficult return for him. He may in his way even decide to ignore or sidestep it.

I see that as a serious error to only compound recruitment strategy's and give us the experienced talent we do need in specific positions or we just wait and wait. I hate to wait. I've waited another ten years. Favre hates to wait and the time is short in his hour glass.

The question now that any NFL player will have is:

''What kind of a person (personality) in Ted Thompson, am I going to have to deal with, if I consider Green Bay as my future team?''

[BallHawk]

The question now that any NFL player will have is:

''What kind of a person (personality) in Ted Thompson, am I going to have to deal with, if I consider Green Bay as my future team?''

Quick! Let's get our pitchforks and run the bastard out of town.

[Bretsky]

I might question TT's ability to compete and convince a big time player to come here over other teams

But he has made some good PR moves....like giving guys like Harris and Driver raises that should also be positive PR to players considering GB

[RashanGary]

I don't cast a ton of blame on TT for this. I will say, his weakest ability seems to be communication. He seems to have no clue what people want to hear (as evident by his "we'll win some games" quotes). He's just not a shmoozer. I respect that, but not everyone appreciates it.


There will be oppertunities to bring players in. I think it's important to talk them up, make them feel good about themselves and about the Packers. I'm not big on getting too many, but I would have loved to of gotten Moss. I hope TT learns because he's been pretty good in almost every other department and he's got this team on the doorstep. I'm not saying he HAS to do something this off season, but if it's there, I hope we don't miss it because the player feels underappreciated.