What Kiper wrote about Favre

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I feel like the standards for quarterbacks have changed a lot since then. If you re-watch Favre's first game they all talk about him like he's a monster... Now Favre's size is prototypical for a quarterback.

Favre is small for a quarterback. Prototypical is like 6'5" 250. A more appropriate word is standard.

There is Partial again, sniffen glue. Prototypical for a tight end?

Sporting News's 2007 Draft Guide lists optimum NFL QBs at 6-3 225 pounds. Minimum Stanards lists at 6-0 195.

Prototypical means the best possible build. Why would you want someone shorter and less weight??

I'm at work so I can't look up the stats, but I believe Peyton is 6'5", Leinart is 6'5", Eli is 6'4", Palmer is 6'5", Culpeppers was great before he blew out a knee and was 6'6", I believe Vince Young is up there as well and he has had some success. Dave G down in Jax is a big dude and he has had success. Big Ben is huge, so is Derek Anderson from Cleveland. Hasselback is a tall guy as well.

I would say 6'2" is probably about average for NFL qbs. Average is not prototypical imo.

Convenient for you to leave out the 250. Not one of the QBs you mentioned is even close. LOL

You can't pick just one side of your equation and now claim you are right. If this was math..you failed half the problem.

BTW, garrard is 6'1". Culpepper was 6'4"..and the only QB to be over 250.

You are wrong, accept it.

No, I'm not wrong. I want my QBs to be as tall and big as possible. I am sure every GM in the NFL salivates over the size of Cuilpeppers and Russel. I'm not saying that every NFL QB is that big, I am saying if there was a quarterback factory, that's what they'd be pumping out.

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Carson Palmer - 6'5" and 230. My guess is he's heavier than that, though.

Quinn - 6'2" and 240

Anderson - 6'6" and "230". Like Palmer, I believe he is bigger than this.

Roethlisberger - 6'5" 241 - Probably heavier as well.

Manning - 6'5" 230

Garrard - 6'1" 245 after fasting for a week or so.

Vince Young - 6'5", 235

Byron Leftwich - 6'5", 250 great player until injuries caught up

Manning - 6'4" 230

Brady - 6'4" 225

McNabb - 6'2" 240

Collins - 6'4" 230

Campbell - 6'5" 235

Cutler - 6'3" 235

Leinart - 6'5" 235

Alex Smith 6'4" 210

Rusell - 6'6" 265

Hasselback - 6'4" 225

Rivers - 6'5" 230

Bulger - 6'3" 215

Romo - 6'2" 225

Brees - 6'0" 210

Culpepper - 6'5" 260

These are the guys that have been premiere prospects or have had tremendous seasons the past couple of years. As you can see, the weight is probably a little lower than 250 and the height is probably about 6'4". If I was building quarterbacks for a living, I'd add some size to them from 225 and make a thicker, better, player.

[Deputy Nutz]

Oh Partial how you hate to be wrong.

You see the listed weight on some these guys and you claim they are actually bigger, but funny how you don't question their height? Usually if players smudge their weight, they fudge on their height as well.

Tall is good, I am not questioning that. Big and strong, still good, but very rarely are QBs both tall, big, and strong. Culpepper is the one that I can think of that was legit 6-4 265 and was athletic. He paid the price.

And I am sure if you were a GM you would want size, because you sure wouldn't know about anything else that makes a good QB, how would you judge their release? What about arm strength? How about their 3 step, 5 step drop?

Prototypical is most likely Todd Marinovich.

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Oh Partial how you hate to be wrong.

You see the listed weight on some these guys and you claim they are actually bigger, but funny how you don't question their height? Usually if players smudge their weight, they fudge on their height as well.

Tall is good, I am not questioning that. Big and strong, still good, but very rarely are QBs both tall, big, and strong. Culpepper is the one that I can think of that was legit 6-4 265 and was athletic. He paid the price.

And I am sure if you were a GM you would want size, because you sure wouldn't know about anything else that makes a good QB, how would you judge their release? What about arm strength? How about their 3 step, 5 step drop?

Prototypical is most likely Todd Marinovich.

So they're being under quoted on weight but overquoted on height?!? That doesn't add up imo.

He paid the price? What does that mean? I don't understand how you can equate having all the physical tools to getting injured. I'd call it really unfortunate and bad luck, not paying the price.

I am not saying be a big guy and you'll be a good quarterback. I'm saying if I am making the picture perfect quarterback, I'm having him be a big guy. On one hand I feel like they'd absorb punishment better, but on the other I can see their bodies wearing down faster and having some knee problems.

I however don't equate being a big guy and tearing three ligaments in your knee to be "paying the price". I think its horribly unlucky.

As for my ability to judge a quarterback, I don't claim to be an NFL scout, but at least I know enough to know that Tim Tebow won't be an NFL quarterback let alone a #1 overall pick.

I don't think any of us have the know how to do what the pros do, thats why you and I are sitting at home and not visiting college campuses.. (campaii, if you will).

[KYPack]

Oh Partial how you hate to be wrong.

You see the listed weight on some these guys and you claim they are actually bigger, but funny how you don't question their height? Usually if players smudge their weight, they fudge on their height as well.

Tall is good, I am not questioning that. Big and strong, still good, but very rarely are QBs both tall, big, and strong. Culpepper is the one that I can think of that was legit 6-4 265 and was athletic. He paid the price.

And I am sure if you were a GM you would want size, because you sure wouldn't know about anything else that makes a good QB, how would you judge their release? What about arm strength? How about their 3 step, 5 step drop?

Prototypical is most likely Todd Marinovich.

Two Todd Marinovich mentions in the same day.

Height is nice & all, but it ain't that big a factor in scouting a QB. 6'0" hurt Brees fer instance. Ryan Leaf fits the Partial sterotype, but all that shit is meaningless. There are a million factors in picking a QB & huge is pretty far down on the list. Enough size & sturdy to be sure, but this "prototype" stuff is pure bullshit.

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He paid the price? What does that mean? I don't understand how you can equate having all the physical tools to getting injured. I'd call it really unfortunate and bad luck, not paying the price.

So you don't think that carrying around that extra baggage had anything to do with his injuries and decline of performance the last few years?

As for my ability to judge a quarterback, I don't claim to be an NFL scout, but at least I know enough to know that Tim Tebow won't be an NFL quarterback let alone a #1 overall pick.

And at least you know enough to know that Ike won't be a top 10 pick, right?

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He paid the price? What does that mean? I don't understand how you can equate having all the physical tools to getting injured. I'd call it really unfortunate and bad luck, not paying the price.

So you don't think that carrying around that extra baggage had anything to do with his injuries and decline of performance the last few years?

As for my ability to judge a quarterback, I don't claim to be an NFL scout, but at least I know enough to know that Tim Tebow won't be an NFL quarterback let alone a #1 overall pick.

And at least you know enough to know that Ike won't be a top 10 pick, right?

I think the weight equates to more severe sprains, bumps, bruises, etc. It's not like these guys were big fatties. Culpeppers was built and in shape. He got really unlucky. I am not going to say it had nothing to do with him tearing up his knee, but he was pretty healthy before he did that, and has never been the same since tearing the three tendons.

I think the injuries of those big guys is probably much more prevalent after their playing career. Sprinting at 250 pounds cannot be good for the knees.

[BallHawk]

Ben Roethlisberger is on track to be the next Daunte Culpepper in a few years. The Steelers are really going to regret that contract.

[Deputy Nutz]

Oh Partial how you hate to be wrong.

You see the listed weight on some these guys and you claim they are actually bigger, but funny how you don't question their height? Usually if players smudge their weight, they fudge on their height as well.

Tall is good, I am not questioning that. Big and strong, still good, but very rarely are QBs both tall, big, and strong. Culpepper is the one that I can think of that was legit 6-4 265 and was athletic. He paid the price.

And I am sure if you were a GM you would want size, because you sure wouldn't know about anything else that makes a good QB, how would you judge their release? What about arm strength? How about their 3 step, 5 step drop?

Prototypical is most likely Todd Marinovich.

So they're being under quoted on weight but overquoted on height?!? That doesn't add up imo.

He paid the price? What does that mean? I don't understand how you can equate having all the physical tools to getting injured. I'd call it really unfortunate and bad luck, not paying the price.

I am not saying be a big guy and you'll be a good quarterback. I'm saying if I am making the picture perfect quarterback, I'm having him be a big guy. On one hand I feel like they'd absorb punishment better, but on the other I can see their bodies wearing down faster and having some knee problems.

I however don't equate being a big guy and tearing three ligaments in your knee to be "paying the price". I think its horribly unlucky.

As for my ability to judge a quarterback, I don't claim to be an NFL scout, but at least I know enough to know that Tim Tebow won't be an NFL quarterback let alone a #1 overall pick.

I don't think any of us have the know how to do what the pros do, thats why you and I are sitting at home and not visiting college campuses.. (campaii, if you will).

Do you even follow football? QBs that scramble, run for yards eventually put themselves in position to suffer serious injuries. Culpepper is just another in a long list of can't miss athletic QBs that loses a knee, gets several concussions, blows out a shoulder. It is not horrible unlucky like you claim, just ask Randall Cunningham about luck, or ask Steve Young about it.

How do you know Tim Tebow won't be the number one pick? He sure fits your prototypical standards for big QBs. Remember if you were a GM he has the physical stature that you demand!

[Deputy Nutz]

Yes Partial teams and players do fudge on their height, in fact I remember you telling a little white lie about how tall you think you are.

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Oh Partial how you hate to be wrong.

You see the listed weight on some these guys and you claim they are actually bigger, but funny how you don't question their height? Usually if players smudge their weight, they fudge on their height as well.

Tall is good, I am not questioning that. Big and strong, still good, but very rarely are QBs both tall, big, and strong. Culpepper is the one that I can think of that was legit 6-4 265 and was athletic. He paid the price.

And I am sure if you were a GM you would want size, because you sure wouldn't know about anything else that makes a good QB, how would you judge their release? What about arm strength? How about their 3 step, 5 step drop?

Prototypical is most likely Todd Marinovich.

So they're being under quoted on weight but overquoted on height?!? That doesn't add up imo.

He paid the price? What does that mean? I don't understand how you can equate having all the physical tools to getting injured. I'd call it really unfortunate and bad luck, not paying the price.

I am not saying be a big guy and you'll be a good quarterback. I'm saying if I am making the picture perfect quarterback, I'm having him be a big guy. On one hand I feel like they'd absorb punishment better, but on the other I can see their bodies wearing down faster and having some knee problems.

I however don't equate being a big guy and tearing three ligaments in your knee to be "paying the price". I think its horribly unlucky.

As for my ability to judge a quarterback, I don't claim to be an NFL scout, but at least I know enough to know that Tim Tebow won't be an NFL quarterback let alone a #1 overall pick.

I don't think any of us have the know how to do what the pros do, thats why you and I are sitting at home and not visiting college campuses.. (campaii, if you will).

Do you even follow football? QBs that scramble, run for yards eventually put themselves in position to suffer serious injuries. Culpepper is just another in a long list of can't miss athletic QBs that loses a knee, gets several concussions, blows out a shoulder. It is not horrible unlucky like you claim, just ask Randall Cunningham about luck, or ask Steve Young about it.

How do you know Tim Tebow won't be the number one pick? He sure fits your prototypical standards for big QBs. Remember if you were a GM he has the physical stature that you demand!

But I would also look at his bad passes and pass.

Who says anything about scrambling and getting into position to get hurt? Trent Green got hurt running and that was irrelevant of size.

I'm not saying that injuries don't happen, I'm saying its foolish to imply Culpepper's devestating injury was a result of how he played the game. Freak accident. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Ben Roethlisberger is on track to be the next Daunte Culpepper in a few years. The Steelers are really going to regret that contract.

Why do you say that? What evidence is there that he will blow out three ligs?

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When you run down the middle of the field standing straight up at 6-4 you're bound to be injured severely at some point. I really don't see why you don't understand it, it wasn't a freak accident, it was the law of averages when a QB thinks he is a running back or a wide receiver.

JaMarcus Russell may be the same size of Culpepper but he is more in the form of Leftwich, he is a pocket passers.

Leftwich has never been a good NFL QB. He has always been hurt.

[Deputy Nutz]

Was a freak accident that Steve Young had to retire from the game because he took to many hit to the noggin?

Was it a freak accident that Randall Cunningham blew his knee out as well?

Actually Trent Green's last concussion came when he tried to cut block a defensive end on a end a round.

His concussion before that was because he was trying to run with the football, late slide almost got him one body, and a separate head.

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OK, and you're right about Trent Green, but I still don't remember ever equating size to running down the field. I want a big guy, that doesn't mean I want a scrambling QB.