NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[RashanGary]

I had a hard time with Brett, but I know he's told by everyone close to him that he's earned this right and noboyd needs him there. His dad would have laid into him and told him to show up because if fucking teammates were there and that is what football players do, but his dad is dead and with him left Favres better judgement.

I really think this is going to make Favre a better person and I hope for the best, but at the same time I think the organization made a very tough but very right decision and they have to stick to it. I don't know why I care about this so much but it would seem so wrong for me to strip Aaron of what he worked so hard for and give it to a guy who ddin't even know if he wanted it. If they think Aaron is good and he killed himself to be the starter, you have to give him the chance. IF you think he stinks then I think you might tell him he's just not good enough but I think they think he is good enough and they want to give him the job after all he's done to earn it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

My gut tells me the team would welcome him back with open arms
My gut also tells me the team will welcome AROD if he's the starting QB..especially if we win

I think the team would be OK with him traded; they have to be a bit sick of it too

I agree with this, I don't think the team is a tenth as upset as the fans.

I was listening to an interview with John Clayton on the radio. His contacts tell him there is not a single team in the AFC with any interest in Favre whatsoever. I don't know if this will prove true, but it tells us two things:

1) Favre is not the hot commodity that fans see him as. Professional evaluators see him as risky because of his age and instability.

2) TT really is between a rock and hard place. This is more of a mess than I had been thinking. If Clayton is correct, I see a chance of Favre being on the team, either as a starter or frustrated backup, simply because it is the least bad option. Of course it could work out OK, but what a shotgun wedding.

[GrnBay007]

But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects.

Throughout this whole deal, this IS the best post I've read!!!! When you have two sides to a story you always look at which side has the most to gain OR lose. I think from what we've heard it's pretty obvious.

[Bossman641]

[quote="Packerarcher"]

Harv, I think the team wants the best QB possible back there taking snaps... the thing that cures all is winning and guess who's the winning'est qb of all time....

I really would hope that's what the team wants,but is what TT's ego want's bigger.[/quote]



Yes, a Super Bowl.

If he wants a Supre Bowl he had better start kissing Favres ASS.

You know who needs to kiss ass? Favre

About the only way I would let him on the team is if he PERSONALLY spoke to TT and MM and ackowledged how poorly he has acted in all of this. He needs to own up, and then also address the team and clear the air with them.

Is it gonna happen? No, because he's Favre and there's probably nobody around him to speak up to him about this.

I still can't believe there are people who believe TT and MM should be kissing Favre's ass and begging him to come back.

[Bossman641]

With all of the supposed lies going down on both sides no one knows who to beleive. I through all of this have sided with Brett,not just because he is arguably the best player to ever put on a Packer uni. Not because of all of his kick ass Qb stats or even his durability. Not even because he would give the Packers the best chance to win this season. But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects. If this whole deal were over money then brett might have something to lie about,but as I said Green Bay could/is loose money on this. So you all beleive who you want,but I know the Packers management have been far from truthful on this.

Question? When did he "WANT TO PLAY FOOTBALL" again? Late June?

Sorry, but I believe the Packers' organization. Favre and Co. have already been caught in lies. You don't see the detailed responses from Favre camp that you see from the organization. I'll take TT and MM's word.

[DannoMac21]

[quote="Bossman641"]

Harv, I think the team wants the best QB possible back there taking snaps... the thing that cures all is winning and guess who's the winning'est qb of all time....

I really would hope that's what the team wants,but is what TT's ego want's bigger.[/quote]



Yes, a Super Bowl.

If he wants a Supre Bowl he had better start kissing Favres ASS.

You know who needs to kiss ass? Favre

About the only way I would let him on the team is if he PERSONALLY spoke to TT and MM and ackowledged how poorly he has acted in all of this. He needs to own up, and then also address the team and clear the air with them.

Is it gonna happen? No, because he's Favre and there's probably nobody around him to speak up to him about this.

I still can't believe there are people who believe TT and MM should be kissing Favre's ass and begging him to come back.

Couldn't have said it better. Awesome statement.

Like Darren Woodson said "Packers should trade him so they don't have to deal with this same mess again in the future."

[Harlan Huckleby]

But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects.

Throughout this whole deal, this IS the best post I've read!!!! When you have two sides to a story you always look at which side has the most to gain OR lose. I think from what we've heard it's pretty obvious.

I might be missing something, but I didn't hear Favre say anything that really directly contradicted TT's statements. Favre said "they said they don't want me back", well undoubtably that was the team's attitude on June 20. (Favre convienently glosses over that they previously accepted him back, and he changed his mind.) TT's recent public statement is that they will accept him back on the team, but he's very cool and ambigous about the terms. The possibility of a trade or backup role is left open. Well, that also accurately reflects TT's positon.

FAvre truly has NOTHING to whine about. The team has been straight with him. I suspect if TT had an AFC team to trade Favre to, that would just happen. But TT is stuck, and FAvre put the team in this situation. AND FAVRE REFUSES TO TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR CREATING THE MESS.

[Deputy Nutz]

His interview just makes everything more fucked up.

Regardless of everything said, Favre has the right to play football. They either need to accept him in Green Bay, or trade his rights. I am selfish and I don't want to see him play for another team, but they can't just shut him down. Give him his helmet or trade him.

Outside of that, he was hurt, McCarthey told him he can't play in Green Bay, but they refuse to envision him playing somewhere else. If that is the case that is pretty low on the Packers end. According to Favre, McCarthey just kept trying to talk Favre out of returning, along with James Campen.

I guess I am trying to put words into feelings right now and nothing is seeming to fit. Brett is hurt and offended, and I understand what he is saying. On the other hand he easily pushes everything off on the Packers outside of his retiring early, but then states, there is a reason for that, they wanted a decision in March. They made him do it according to Favre,




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If Favre is accepted back to the Packers I don't for see him doing very well in 2008. I honestly don't see the commitment he is talking about. I see more bitterness and anger than I see a quarterback wanting to get to the Super Bowl.

[RashanGary]

YOu're right on, HH. They didn't contridict at all. The Packers told it in a very direct, easy to follow timeline way and Brett told it to fit what would make him look best in that he wasn't waffling but they didn't want him to begin with. What Favre said is what they said. They were willing to take him if he was committed and when he finially was committed, they had made a decision to move forward. It is tough. I'm sure it's hard as all hell on Favre, but it's not some conspiracy against him. It's just a really bad situation that he in large part brought on himself.

[Bretsky]

But because I BELIEVE him,he isn't doing this as a stunt to make money or for publicity. He JUST WANTS TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He really has nothing to gain by lying. The Packer management however have EVERYTHING to gain by putting thier spin on this. They CAN'T look bad in deals like this,already being in a small market a bad image costs them money with both fans and future player prospects.

Throughout this whole deal, this IS the best post I've read!!!! When you have two sides to a story you always look at which side has the most to gain OR lose. I think from what we've heard it's pretty obvious.

I might be missing something, but I didn't hear Favre say anything that really directly contradicted TT's statements. Favre said "they said they don't want me back", well undoubtably that was the team's attitude on June 20. (Favre convienently glosses over that they previously accepted him back, and he changed his mind.) TT's recent public statement is that they will accept him back on the team, but he's very cool and ambigous about the terms. The possibility of a trade or backup role is left open. Well, that also accurately reflects TT's positon.

FAvre truly has NOTHING to whine about. The team has been straight with him. I suspect if TT had an AFC team to trade Favre to, that would just happen. But TT is stuck, and FAvre put the team in this situation. AND FAVRE REFUSES TO TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR CREATING THE MESS.

I think the point was that the Packers told the media they will take him back but told him they will not.........well, my summation in a nutshell

[RashanGary]

The Packers were pretty much going through whta Nutz is. They're hoping he doesn't really want to play with someone else and trying to talk him into it a little. They probably don't want to face him and they definitly don't want to lose him as a permanent member of the Packers. I think they value their legacy adn he's a big part of it. He's stood for a lot of good things so I think they respect him as well.

That said, when push comes to shove I think they have to do the right thing and trade him if he really wants it. TT said anything is possible even if you never thought it was. I think that anything is FAvre being traded even though they never pictured doing that.

[RashanGary]

I think the point was that the Packers told the media they will take him back but told him they will not.........well, my summation in a nutshell

That's how Favre tried to make it look but nothing he said showed they were dishonest. He said June 20th was when he was told no. That is consistant with the whole waffling that the Packers described when they made their decision to move forward.

[Bossman641]

His interview just makes everything more fucked up.

Regardless of everything said, Favre has the right to play football. They either need to accept him in Green Bay, or trade his rights. I am selfish and I don't want to see him play for another team, but they can't just shut him down. Give him his helmet or trade him.

Outside of that, he was hurt, McCarthey told him he can't play in Green Bay, but they refuse to envision him playing somewhere else. If that is the case that is pretty low on the Packers end. According to Favre, McCarthey just kept trying to talk Favre out of returning, along with James Campen.

I guess I am trying to put words into feelings right now and nothing is seeming to fit. Brett is hurt and offended, and I understand what he is saying. On the other hand he easily pushes everything off on the Packers outside of his retiring early, but then states, there is a reason for that, they wanted a decision in March. They made him do it according to Favre,




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If Favre is accepted back to the Packers I don't for see him doing very well in 2008. I honestly don't see the commitment he is talking about. I see more bitterness and anger than I see a quarterback wanting to get to the Super Bowl.

What's conveniently left out here is any explanation of why he tried to come back and was welcomed and then backed out days later.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Outside of that, he was hurt, McCarthey told him he can't play in Green Bay, but they refuse to envision him playing somewhere else. If that is the case that is pretty low on the Packers end.

Oh come on, don't buy this BS. McCArthy may have said he didn't want to see him play elsewhere, but it is CLEARLY not the intent of the team to block him. TT asked Favre for a list of teams he wanted to play for. The team has no interest or ability to prevent Favre from playing football, a trade is in the team's interest too.

This was cheap propoganda on Favre's part.

[Deputy Nutz]

His interview just makes everything more fucked up.

Regardless of everything said, Favre has the right to play football. They either need to accept him in Green Bay, or trade his rights. I am selfish and I don't want to see him play for another team, but they can't just shut him down. Give him his helmet or trade him.

Outside of that, he was hurt, McCarthey told him he can't play in Green Bay, but they refuse to envision him playing somewhere else. If that is the case that is pretty low on the Packers end. According to Favre, McCarthey just kept trying to talk Favre out of returning, along with James Campen.

I guess I am trying to put words into feelings right now and nothing is seeming to fit. Brett is hurt and offended, and I understand what he is saying. On the other hand he easily pushes everything off on the Packers outside of his retiring early, but then states, there is a reason for that, they wanted a decision in March. They made him do it according to Favre,




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If Favre is accepted back to the Packers I don't for see him doing very well in 2008. I honestly don't see the commitment he is talking about. I see more bitterness and anger than I see a quarterback wanting to get to the Super Bowl.

What's conveniently left out here is any explanation of why he tried to come back and was welcomed and then backed out days later.

That comes in part two tomorrow night.