NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[GrnBay007]

Favre has had his ass kissed for far too long.

Your opinion.
I will admit that it did appear he got special treatment during the Sherman years, but other than that, no.

Now, he's encountered a GM with the cajones to stand up for the team concept - and he's pouting.

Have any ideas what this big cajones-loaded GM will do IF Rodgers doesn't pan out?

Or are you like some of the others......it doesn't really matter as long at the big cajones GM made a stand? Is anyone even looking at this anymore as who is the best QB?

[Bossman641]

I had a hard time with Brett, but I know he's told by everyone close to him that he's earned this right and noboyd needs him there. His dad would have laid into him and told him to show up because if fucking teammates were there and that is what football players do, but his dad is dead and with him left Favres better judgement.

I really think this is going to make Favre a better person and I hope for the best, but at the same time I think the organization made a very tough but very right decision and they have to stick to it. I don't know why I care about this so much but it would seem so wrong for me to strip Aaron of what he worked so hard for and give it to a guy who ddin't even know if he wanted it. If they think Aaron is good and he killed himself to be the starter, you have to give him the chance. IF you think he stinks then I think you might tell him he's just not good enough but I think they think he is good enough and they want to give him the job after all he's done to earn it.

Lets have a serious discussion without any name calling here. First Aaron Rodgers was given the starting job in Green Bay when Favre left. Rodgers didn't beat Favre out for the job. I am not saying he hasn't worked hard at becoming a starting quarterback, I am sure he has, but he hasn't proven that he deserves the job yet. three quarters against Dallas doesn't prove anything at this point.

Rodgers hasn't done anything wrong, but at the same time, I would respect Rodgers and the Packers much, much more if they put an end to this situation with simply inviting Favre back to Green Bay to compete against Aaron Rodgers for the starting QB job. It is simple if Rodgers can defeat Brett Favre in training camp for the starting position then he deserves everything the Packers give him. I personally would back Rodgers, and I think it will actually help his career. It would be like the younger brother finally beating his older brother in competition.

If the Packers maintain their current course of action Aaron Rodgers will have a very tough time ever winning over the majority of Packer fans, simply because he was being protected by the Packers organization from Brett Favre. Simple if Aaron Rodgers can't beat out a 38 year old, soon to be 39 year old Brett Favre, then he simply doesn't deserve to be the Packers starting QB.

Never gonna happen. Even if Rodgers won, do you think most Favre fans would see it as a fair competition? Hell no, they'd be complaining and booing Rodgers every chance they get. It would just create another "Rodgers is TT's pet" situation.

Not to mention Favre. How kindly do you think he'd take to being a backup QB? Do you think he'd be doing the little things a good backup is supposed to be doing: looking over pictures, giving advice, and supporting the starter? Something tells me No.

[GrnBay007]

If McCarthy wants Rodgers as his QB, that's his call.

True he's the HC but the fact is the Packers are still owned by the fans....the shareholders. Maybe they should take a vote in all this.

[Deputy Nutz]

But why is it Rodgers job to lose? He never took it from Favre to begin with. Sorry I don't buy the whole regeared offense the Packers have been feeding to the media. Sure they made adjustments, or tweaks for a younger QB, maybe one that is a little more mobile, but maybe one that isn't as aware in the pocket.

If McCarthy wants Rodgers as his QB, that's his call.

And if Favre is such a sure thing, why isn't it easy to trade him?

Whats your fucking point?

McCarthy at this point thinks Rodgers is his starting quarterback, duh!!! Otherwise we wouldn't have 129 different Brett Favre threads.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Never gonna happen. Even if Rodgers won, do you think most Favre fans would see it as a fair competition? Hell no, they'd be complaining and booing Rodgers every chance they get. It would just create another "Rodgers is TT's pet" situation.

Not to mention Favre. How kindly do you think he'd take to being a backup QB? Do you think he'd be doing the little things a good backup is supposed to be doing: looking over pictures, giving advice, and supporting the starter? Something tells me No.

You're right.

I think Thompson wants to trade Favre but can't.

Favre is going to be the starter for GB on opening day.

In the world of second choices, I guess that ain't so bad.

[RashanGary]

Nutz, I know it's hard for you to fathom, but a part of the Packers decision here is a football decision. I know you're stubborn as fuck and you don't wnat to ever admit you missed something but I really believe the Packers actions speak to their confidence in Rodgers and Rodgers play backs it up. He kicks ass every time he's given a chance. I think they're smart people as it relates to football, smarter than you (no insult intended).

I think you're going to be suprised at how little drop off there is from Favre to Rodgers and when you see this offense kicking ass, just remember I told you so because I know you won't want to here it when it happens.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If McCarthy wants Rodgers as his QB, that's his call.

True he's the HC but the fact is the Packers are still owned by the fans....the shareholders. Maybe they should take a vote in all this.

I think McCarthy wants to go with Rodgers. That's obvious from the response that Favre got from him.

I think the fans should respect that choice, its not an easy decision, and MM has earned the right to make it.

However, I sense that the practical realities are going to lead to the Packers going with Favre as their starter.

[The Shadow]

If McCarthy wants Rodgers as his QB, that's his call.

True he's the HC but the fact is the Packers are still owned by the fans....the shareholders. Maybe they should take a vote in all this.

If you were going in for an operation, would you ask the doctor to take a vote amongst all hospital staff on how to proceed?
How about an airline pilot who takes a vote among passengers on how best to fly the plane?
I think Packer Nation should let the people hired for the job DO their job. After all, their livelihoods depend on results - I really don't think they are trying to 'ruin' the Green Bay Packers.

[Deputy Nutz]

I had a hard time with Brett, but I know he's told by everyone close to him that he's earned this right and noboyd needs him there. His dad would have laid into him and told him to show up because if fucking teammates were there and that is what football players do, but his dad is dead and with him left Favres better judgement.

I really think this is going to make Favre a better person and I hope for the best, but at the same time I think the organization made a very tough but very right decision and they have to stick to it. I don't know why I care about this so much but it would seem so wrong for me to strip Aaron of what he worked so hard for and give it to a guy who ddin't even know if he wanted it. If they think Aaron is good and he killed himself to be the starter, you have to give him the chance. IF you think he stinks then I think you might tell him he's just not good enough but I think they think he is good enough and they want to give him the job after all he's done to earn it.

Lets have a serious discussion without any name calling here. First Aaron Rodgers was given the starting job in Green Bay when Favre left. Rodgers didn't beat Favre out for the job. I am not saying he hasn't worked hard at becoming a starting quarterback, I am sure he has, but he hasn't proven that he deserves the job yet. three quarters against Dallas doesn't prove anything at this point.

Rodgers hasn't done anything wrong, but at the same time, I would respect Rodgers and the Packers much, much more if they put an end to this situation with simply inviting Favre back to Green Bay to compete against Aaron Rodgers for the starting QB job. It is simple if Rodgers can defeat Brett Favre in training camp for the starting position then he deserves everything the Packers give him. I personally would back Rodgers, and I think it will actually help his career. It would be like the younger brother finally beating his older brother in competition.

If the Packers maintain their current course of action Aaron Rodgers will have a very tough time ever winning over the majority of Packer fans, simply because he was being protected by the Packers organization from Brett Favre. Simple if Aaron Rodgers can't beat out a 38 year old, soon to be 39 year old Brett Favre, then he simply doesn't deserve to be the Packers starting QB.

Never gonna happen. Even if Rodgers won, do you think most Favre fans would see it as a fair competition? Hell no, they'd be complaining and booing Rodgers every chance they get. It would just create another "Rodgers is TT's pet" situation.

Not to mention Favre. How kindly do you think he'd take to being a backup QB? Do you think he'd be doing the little things a good backup is supposed to be doing: looking over pictures, giving advice, and supporting the starter? Something tells me No.

Well I guess you have all the answers and regardless for at least the next year Rodgers is in a lose/lose situation. Anything he does, Favre could have done better, at least in my grand scheme Thompson won't lose his job if Rodgers completely fails or gets injured.

Like I said, Rodgers needs to be able to beat Favre head to head, especially now since Favre has dramatically stated that he wanted to return to Green Bay and has been turned away by the head coach.

Rodgers is already the protected son of Thompson, that much is now evident after Brett's interview.

[Carolina_Packer]

At some point, a person has to take responsibility for their actions and accept the consequences and deal with it from there. Favre retired because that was his honest answer at that point. If he felt pressured to do so, and needed more time, he should have named a time-table to the team and delayed retirement knowing that he was still up in the air about playing.

Now that he has come around to the idea of playing again a month before training camp, and after a few attempts to find out if he is really, really, really retired, and with no 100 commitment from him until recently, who would really expect that someone wouldn't move on? Why doesn't he see the position he put the team in with is his indecision enough to say, well, if I do come back, I gotta accept what they say and the best I can hope for is to compete for my job back? Did he honestly just EXPECT that once he was ready they would not only welcome him back, but name him as the starter.

The biggest thing that needs to get hammered out here (once he is formally reinstated) is for them to go over the terms of his return and to let him know if there is a chance of him becoming the starter again. If they play it cool and won't commit to letting him compete for the starters job, then I think it becomes a big headache, and that's where I would start to think, why bring him back at all if you're not going to let him compete for the starter's job? Once camp starts, let all the focus and energy be on getting ready for the season, not dealing with frustration from both sides. Iron it out ASAP, and move forward either way.

[RashanGary]

Rodgers doesn't have a ton of opportunities, but every time he was given a chance last preseason and season he outperformed Brett.

He put up better numbers in the preseason and then played much better than Favre in Dallas.

Favre is so accomplished that it's hard for people to imagine Rodgers can be better but Favre is also 39 and he was playing with a pretty damn talented group of players last year and a pretty damn clever offensive coach. The Packers obviously believe very strongly in Rodgers. I think he can play as well as Favre did last year and I know that was a big year, but I believe that the Packers know how to make decisions and they would not cut off their nose to spite their face. The Packers are making this move because their roster is ready not because they love drama and love losing.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz, I know it's hard for you to fathom, but a part of the Packers decision here is a football decision. I know you're stubborn as fuck and you don't wnat to ever admit you missed something but I really believe the Packers actions speak to their confidence in Rodgers and Rodgers play backs it up. He kicks ass every time he's given a chance. I think they're smart people as it relates to football, smarter than you (no insult intended).

I think you're going to be suprised at how little drop off there is from Favre to Rodgers and when you see this offense kicking ass, just remember I told you so because I know you won't want to here it when it happens.

He has kicked ass when? Really when? One regular season game, and in the 2007 preseason he finally looked like he could play in the NFL. Outside of that he looked absolutely miserable in his previous two preseasons, and he did nothing but get hurt in his second year against the Pats. What else am I missing. He did play sparingly his first season against Balitmore, and that was pretty poor, not that anyone has remembered.

Again I am not trying to hate on Rodgers, I hope he really does play well, and I think he has the talent to do so, but your above post is so way off it is not even funny. If the Packers actually opened up the competition with Favre and Rodgers it would be much closer than many would think.

So again what did I miss? Rodgers has played what I call reasonably well in one regular season game.

[Bossman641]

I had a hard time with Brett, but I know he's told by everyone close to him that he's earned this right and noboyd needs him there. His dad would have laid into him and told him to show up because if fucking teammates were there and that is what football players do, but his dad is dead and with him left Favres better judgement.

I really think this is going to make Favre a better person and I hope for the best, but at the same time I think the organization made a very tough but very right decision and they have to stick to it. I don't know why I care about this so much but it would seem so wrong for me to strip Aaron of what he worked so hard for and give it to a guy who ddin't even know if he wanted it. If they think Aaron is good and he killed himself to be the starter, you have to give him the chance. IF you think he stinks then I think you might tell him he's just not good enough but I think they think he is good enough and they want to give him the job after all he's done to earn it.

Lets have a serious discussion without any name calling here. First Aaron Rodgers was given the starting job in Green Bay when Favre left. Rodgers didn't beat Favre out for the job. I am not saying he hasn't worked hard at becoming a starting quarterback, I am sure he has, but he hasn't proven that he deserves the job yet. three quarters against Dallas doesn't prove anything at this point.

Rodgers hasn't done anything wrong, but at the same time, I would respect Rodgers and the Packers much, much more if they put an end to this situation with simply inviting Favre back to Green Bay to compete against Aaron Rodgers for the starting QB job. It is simple if Rodgers can defeat Brett Favre in training camp for the starting position then he deserves everything the Packers give him. I personally would back Rodgers, and I think it will actually help his career. It would be like the younger brother finally beating his older brother in competition.

If the Packers maintain their current course of action Aaron Rodgers will have a very tough time ever winning over the majority of Packer fans, simply because he was being protected by the Packers organization from Brett Favre. Simple if Aaron Rodgers can't beat out a 38 year old, soon to be 39 year old Brett Favre, then he simply doesn't deserve to be the Packers starting QB.

Never gonna happen. Even if Rodgers won, do you think most Favre fans would see it as a fair competition? Hell no, they'd be complaining and booing Rodgers every chance they get. It would just create another "Rodgers is TT's pet" situation.

Not to mention Favre. How kindly do you think he'd take to being a backup QB? Do you think he'd be doing the little things a good backup is supposed to be doing: looking over pictures, giving advice, and supporting the starter? Something tells me No.

Well I guess you have all the answers and regardless for at least the next year Rodgers is in a lose/lose situation. Anything he does, Favre could have done better, at least in my grand scheme Thompson won't lose his job if Rodgers completely fails or gets injured.

Like I said, Rodgers needs to be able to beat Favre head to head, especially now since Favre has dramatically stated that he wanted to return to Green Bay and has been turned away by the head coach.

Rodgers is already the protected son of Thompson, that much is now evident after Brett's interview.

I don't have all the answers.

I'm just saying, it's not as easy as : Favre comes back and wins back his job and plays, or loses his job and either retires or happily backs up Rodgers. Maybe in a Disney movie that would work, but there's no way Favre and his rabid fan base would let that happen.

[GrnBay007]

If you were going in for an operation, would you ask the doctor to take a vote amongst all hospital staff on how to proceed?

No, but if I had doubts, I'd surely ask for a second or maybe third opinion. Why are so many convinced the Packers are taking the right path in this situation? Like I said before, from what we've heard so far what camp has the most to win or lose from what's been said? There are huge salaries and egos at stake.

[Deputy Nutz]

I had a hard time with Brett, but I know he's told by everyone close to him that he's earned this right and noboyd needs him there. His dad would have laid into him and told him to show up because if fucking teammates were there and that is what football players do, but his dad is dead and with him left Favres better judgement.

I really think this is going to make Favre a better person and I hope for the best, but at the same time I think the organization made a very tough but very right decision and they have to stick to it. I don't know why I care about this so much but it would seem so wrong for me to strip Aaron of what he worked so hard for and give it to a guy who ddin't even know if he wanted it. If they think Aaron is good and he killed himself to be the starter, you have to give him the chance. IF you think he stinks then I think you might tell him he's just not good enough but I think they think he is good enough and they want to give him the job after all he's done to earn it.

Lets have a serious discussion without any name calling here. First Aaron Rodgers was given the starting job in Green Bay when Favre left. Rodgers didn't beat Favre out for the job. I am not saying he hasn't worked hard at becoming a starting quarterback, I am sure he has, but he hasn't proven that he deserves the job yet. three quarters against Dallas doesn't prove anything at this point.

Rodgers hasn't done anything wrong, but at the same time, I would respect Rodgers and the Packers much, much more if they put an end to this situation with simply inviting Favre back to Green Bay to compete against Aaron Rodgers for the starting QB job. It is simple if Rodgers can defeat Brett Favre in training camp for the starting position then he deserves everything the Packers give him. I personally would back Rodgers, and I think it will actually help his career. It would be like the younger brother finally beating his older brother in competition.

If the Packers maintain their current course of action Aaron Rodgers will have a very tough time ever winning over the majority of Packer fans, simply because he was being protected by the Packers organization from Brett Favre. Simple if Aaron Rodgers can't beat out a 38 year old, soon to be 39 year old Brett Favre, then he simply doesn't deserve to be the Packers starting QB.

Never gonna happen. Even if Rodgers won, do you think most Favre fans would see it as a fair competition? Hell no, they'd be complaining and booing Rodgers every chance they get. It would just create another "Rodgers is TT's pet" situation.

Not to mention Favre. How kindly do you think he'd take to being a backup QB? Do you think he'd be doing the little things a good backup is supposed to be doing: looking over pictures, giving advice, and supporting the starter? Something tells me No.

Well I guess you have all the answers and regardless for at least the next year Rodgers is in a lose/lose situation. Anything he does, Favre could have done better, at least in my grand scheme Thompson won't lose his job if Rodgers completely fails or gets injured.

Like I said, Rodgers needs to be able to beat Favre head to head, especially now since Favre has dramatically stated that he wanted to return to Green Bay and has been turned away by the head coach.

Rodgers is already the protected son of Thompson, that much is now evident after Brett's interview.

I don't have all the answers.

I'm just saying, it's not as easy as : Favre comes back and wins back his job and plays, or loses his job and either retires or happily backs up Rodgers. Maybe in a Disney movie that would work, but there's no way Favre and his rabid fan base would let that happen.

So instead you black ball him from playing?