NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[Tarlam!]

Favre is such a complete idiot.

No, he's a really emotional Southern Gentleman that has been terribley let down by his advisors. And, they are continuing to let him down, IMHO.

Somebody should have told BF back in February to keep his options open by stating he would return. Nobody seems to have.

Somebody leaked he was being shopped.

Somebody leaked he was having second thoughts.

Somebody leaked he had contact to Packer people on at least 3 different occsaions.

Somebody told him to sue for a release, publicly.

Somebody let him be interviewed last night, further widening the division.

Brett is not the idiot. He is following advice. Oh, no doubt he want to play, but he really let his emotions dictate every little step. His people should have been protecting his legacy more.

[The Leaper]

There is no way this ends up nice if he comes to camp and TT/MM don't intend on starting him. Even if Brett does everything nicely - teammates/fans will be going crazy and it doesn't end well.

I think there is truth in this comment. If Favre truly feels the Packers don't want him (and he does) then showing up at camp and causing a ruckus...that ain't Favre's deal. He just wants to play...he doesn't want the circus act.

[packers11]

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FAVRE SLAMS THOMPSON IN PART TWO OF INTERVIEW
Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2008, 10:52 a.m.
Packers G.M. Ted Thompson might have been feeling neglected while he watched on Monday night Part One of the Brett Favre interview. After all, it was coach Mike McCarthy and not Thompson who was mentioned most often by Brett, primarily with respect to the perceived effort to force him to decide whether to retire in March and then with respect to the attempt to persuade him not to press for a chance to return with another team in June.

But Thompson gets his share of attention, in Part Two.

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Favre slams Thompson in the segment that will air Tuesday night on Fox News, and Favre points to three incidents that caused him to not trust Thompson.

First was Favre’s desire that the team add receiver Randy Moss in 2007. We reported, numerous times, that Favre was actively lobbying the team to acquire Moss after two failed seasons with the Raiders. There was also a rumor that the team’s failure to try to land the star receiver, who revived his career in a big way with the Patriots last season, prompted Favre to make noise about leaving the team. Though it’s still unclear whether the latter proposition is accurate, it’s now obvious that Favre wanted Moss — and that Favre didn’t appreciate Thompson’s decision not to be honest about that fact with the public.

“I worked my butt off . . . to try to get them to sign Randy Moss,” Favre told Fox News.

Second, Favre says he tried to get Thompson to re-sign guards Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, both of whom left via free agency.

Third, Favre pushed hard for Thompson to consider hiring former 49ers and Lions coach Steve Mariucci, but Thompson rebuffed Brett, hiring Mike McCarthy instead.

“[N]one of those had anything to do with me retiring once again,” Favre says, “but, you know, it’s hard for me to trust, you know, this guy when I — either I’m told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he’s telling the public one thing and telling me another. And so — and that’s part of the reason for the [request for a] release.”

So Favre didn’t retire from the Packers because of mistrust for Thompson, but now Favre wants out in part because he doesn’t trust Thompson.

But, Brett, didn’t you say you want out because the Packers told you that they don’t want you to play?

More importantly, Brett, when did you become the quarterback/General Manager of the Packers?

Maybe we finally understand why Favre kept quiet for so long on this topic. Now that he’s opening his mouth, he’s sounding like an idiot.

Regarding this apparent effort to smear Thompson by dredging up outdated and irrelevant pisses and/or moans, Favre needs to realize that he hasn’t always been truthful, either. On July 2, for example, he said that the talk of his desire to return is “rumor” and that there’s “[n]o reason for it.”

So before Brett says “you know, it’s hard for me to trust, you know, this guy when I — either I’m told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he’s telling the public one thing and telling me another,” Favre should ask “this guy” in the mirror whether he has been doing the very same thing.

[The Leaper]

Brett is not the idiot. He is following advice. Oh, no doubt he want to play, but he really let his emotions dictate every little step. His people should have been protecting his legacy more.

True. Brett's advisors and family don't seem to be real bright when it comes to how to handle this stuff.

However, that is on Brett. He is responsible for acquiring good talent to run his business interests...especially when he clearly isn't bright enough to do so himself.

[motife]

Have you ever listened to a Brett Favre press conference, even in the best of times?

It's excruciating.

He is so long winded it's torture to listen to him. And in sort of a mock very serious monotone. McCarthy said once a 5 minute call to Favre turns into 3 hours.

Favre's long winded, un-focussed, irrelevant going nowhere BS does not work well with no-nonsense guys like Ted or Mike McCarthy. One of the reasons Favre has played well under McCarthy is he is not a "Favre enabler".

I am so sick of Favre leaving the Packer's hanging with his maddening indecision and his constant blather. Using his mom, his brother, his wife, Greta van Susteren to communicate long irrelevancies when all ANYONE wants to know is are you retired or arent you?

[sharpe1027]

“I worked my butt off . . . to try to get them to sign Randy Moss,” Favre told Fox News.
...
More importantly, Brett, when did you become the quarterback/General Manager of the Packers?

Favre is not the GM, even so, it wasn't like TT didn't try for Moss, the Pats just out-smarted him. Brett needs to shutup and play.

[Bossman641]

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FAVRE SLAMS THOMPSON IN PART TWO OF INTERVIEW
Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2008, 10:52 a.m.
Packers G.M. Ted Thompson might have been feeling neglected while he watched on Monday night Part One of the Brett Favre interview. After all, it was coach Mike McCarthy and not Thompson who was mentioned most often by Brett, primarily with respect to the perceived effort to force him to decide whether to retire in March and then with respect to the attempt to persuade him not to press for a chance to return with another team in June.

But Thompson gets his share of attention, in Part Two.

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Favre slams Thompson in the segment that will air Tuesday night on Fox News, and Favre points to three incidents that caused him to not trust Thompson.

First was Favre’s desire that the team add receiver Randy Moss in 2007. We reported, numerous times, that Favre was actively lobbying the team to acquire Moss after two failed seasons with the Raiders. There was also a rumor that the team’s failure to try to land the star receiver, who revived his career in a big way with the Patriots last season, prompted Favre to make noise about leaving the team. Though it’s still unclear whether the latter proposition is accurate, it’s now obvious that Favre wanted Moss — and that Favre didn’t appreciate Thompson’s decision not to be honest about that fact with the public.

“I worked my butt off . . . to try to get them to sign Randy Moss,” Favre told Fox News.

Second, Favre says he tried to get Thompson to re-sign guards Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, both of whom left via free agency.

Third, Favre pushed hard for Thompson to consider hiring former 49ers and Lions coach Steve Mariucci, but Thompson rebuffed Brett, hiring Mike McCarthy instead.

“[N]one of those had anything to do with me retiring once again,” Favre says, “but, you know, it’s hard for me to trust, you know, this guy when I — either I’m told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he’s telling the public one thing and telling me another. And so — and that’s part of the reason for the [request for a] release.”

So Favre didn’t retire from the Packers because of mistrust for Thompson, but now Favre wants out in part because he doesn’t trust Thompson.

But, Brett, didn’t you say you want out because the Packers told you that they don’t want you to play?

More importantly, Brett, when did you become the quarterback/General Manager of the Packers?

Maybe we finally understand why Favre kept quiet for so long on this topic. Now that he’s opening his mouth, he’s sounding like an idiot.

Regarding this apparent effort to smear Thompson by dredging up outdated and irrelevant pisses and/or moans, Favre needs to realize that he hasn’t always been truthful, either. On July 2, for example, he said that the talk of his desire to return is “rumor” and that there’s “[n]o reason for it.”

So before Brett says “you know, it’s hard for me to trust, you know, this guy when I — either I’m told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he’s telling the public one thing and telling me another,” Favre should ask “this guy” in the mirror whether he has been doing the very same thing.

Brett needs to STFU. You're not the GM. Looks real smart to bitch about moves that weren't made when the team was 13-3 last year, they have a very young team, and one of the emerging coaches in the league.

Damn, McCarthy sucks. Is there anyone that would rather have Mooch over MM?

It's apparent what Brett wants. He wants things HIS way. He wants to be coddled and surrounded by people who make it easier on him.

[PackerTimer]

I think he comes off really whiney in those excerpts and rather like a petulant kid who didn't get his way.

I also did not like how he kept bringing up the back up thing in the first part. TT never said that and everybody knows it. What he said was taken way out of context and he cleared it up. It's just another example of the half-truths and deceptions that are out there. Unlike some, I don't see those half-truths as coming from the Packers. I think he's a great QB and a genuinely good guy who is taking a completely horrible position. He messed up. He should just own up to it and either show up or shut up.

[Sparkey]

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FAVRE SLAMS THOMPSON IN PART TWO OF INTERVIEW
Posted by Mike Florio on July 15, 2008, 10:52 a.m.
Packers G.M. Ted Thompson might have been feeling neglected while he watched on Monday night Part One of the Brett Favre interview. After all, it was coach Mike McCarthy and not Thompson who was mentioned most often by Brett, primarily with respect to the perceived effort to force him to decide whether to retire in March and then with respect to the attempt to persuade him not to press for a chance to return with another team in June.

But Thompson gets his share of attention, in Part Two.

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Favre slams Thompson in the segment that will air Tuesday night on Fox News, and Favre points to three incidents that caused him to not trust Thompson.

First was Favre’s desire that the team add receiver Randy Moss in 2007. We reported, numerous times, that Favre was actively lobbying the team to acquire Moss after two failed seasons with the Raiders. There was also a rumor that the team’s failure to try to land the star receiver, who revived his career in a big way with the Patriots last season, prompted Favre to make noise about leaving the team. Though it’s still unclear whether the latter proposition is accurate, it’s now obvious that Favre wanted Moss — and that Favre didn’t appreciate Thompson’s decision not to be honest about that fact with the public.

“I worked my butt off . . . to try to get them to sign Randy Moss,” Favre told Fox News.

Second, Favre says he tried to get Thompson to re-sign guards Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle, both of whom left via free agency.

Third, Favre pushed hard for Thompson to consider hiring former 49ers and Lions coach Steve Mariucci, but Thompson rebuffed Brett, hiring Mike McCarthy instead.

“[N]one of those had anything to do with me retiring once again,” Favre says, “but, you know, it’s hard for me to trust, you know, this guy when I — either I’m told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he’s telling the public one thing and telling me another. And so — and that’s part of the reason for the [request for a] release.”

So Favre didn’t retire from the Packers because of mistrust for Thompson, but now Favre wants out in part because he doesn’t trust Thompson.

But, Brett, didn’t you say you want out because the Packers told you that they don’t want you to play?

More importantly, Brett, when did you become the quarterback/General Manager of the Packers?

Maybe we finally understand why Favre kept quiet for so long on this topic. Now that he’s opening his mouth, he’s sounding like an idiot.

Regarding this apparent effort to smear Thompson by dredging up outdated and irrelevant pisses and/or moans, Favre needs to realize that he hasn’t always been truthful, either. On July 2, for example, he said that the talk of his desire to return is “rumor” and that there’s “[n]o reason for it.”

So before Brett says “you know, it’s hard for me to trust, you know, this guy when I — either I’m told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he’s telling the public one thing and telling me another,” Favre should ask “this guy” in the mirror whether he has been doing the very same thing.

Wow,

Reading all this reminds me of a kid that doesn't get what he wants and starts to pout and whine and scream until he gets his way. Thank goodness that MM and TT are good "parents" and wont bow down to the pressure.

Who the hell does Favre think he is ?

[Tarlam!]

Who the hell does Favre think he is ?

Er, Brett Favre?

[Deputy Nutz]

After last night, and the speculation about what is said tonight, I think Brett realizes his career, at least in Green Bay is finished. He is simply putting together his laundry list of complaints and letting them rip. Foolish pride, and bitterness.

Seriously, sign Marco and Wahle? Where were the Packers going to get that kind of money at the time? Brett cough up some of the cash he was making? How did Dallas do with Riveria? Oh he injured his back, played for a half of season and then retired. Wahle? Cut midway through his contract in Carolina.

Mooch? No other team has hired him as of yet, and the last thing the GM needs to here is his QB giving him advice who should be the new coach. Maybe Favre realized how much Sherman needed help running the franchise, and he was just cutting the new GM off at the pass, who knows.

Favre is really losing this battle with the media. I don't think any of us here question his ability to still play the game at a high level, it is one of the things that makes this a very difficult situation for a lot of us fans, but this bickering, and "he said, he said " business is getting ugly and pointless. It is pretty simple trust the fact that the GM is going to pay your salary and you have absolutely nothing else to worry about. Thompson has done a fine job building this roster, I wonder if Favre can even recognize that.

At the same time all these little quotes from the interview that are released ahead of time are taken out of context, and are slanted at making Favre look like a spiteful old man.

[Harlan Huckleby]

However, I agree that the Packers have created a situation that is to their advantage. They won't release Favre...and probably won't trade him either, as no team is going to give up anything of real value for him except for a couple teams in the NFC that Thompson

Just a minor quibble: you've said here and in the past that the Packers need to get a good deal in order to make a trade, you said a first rounder before. No way. The Packers would and should take a conditional 2020 7th rounder if some AFC team will have him. They first and foremost have to unload their problem. Unfortunately, according to John Clayton, there are no AFC teams with any interest.

[Merlin]

Not a one of us knows what Ted Thompson told Brett. I agree that Favre is going a bit out there with these comments, but Thompson also left some questionable comments out there. Since I don't know what Favre was told about any of these issues by Thompson, I can only make one assumption: Somewhere in the middle is the truth. Favre is partially right and Thompson is partially right. What we are hearing from both are one sided opinions. If you are bashing Favre over his comments or bashing Thompson over his comments then I am afraid you really don't understand disputes very well. I think Thompson's choice of words to date has been very telling, I think Favre's choice of words are very telling. There is something(s) in there that we don't know about and neither one of them is going to drop the bomb on the other unless it gets downright ugly.

As I aid before, if Thompson & Favre can come to middle ground, which I still see as a possibility, then Favre will be in camp. If they cannot then Thompson & Favre need to part ways. Notice I didn't say the Packers and Favre. If the Packers are greater then Favre, they are certainly greater than Thompson. It may be an issue where someone above Thompson has to step in although I don't see that happening. It's fairly clear to me that McCarthy is caught in the middle and has to maintain an alliance with Thompson, which he should. But it would be interesting to hear McCarthy "unplugged" so to speak about everything.

Let's see if the "Packers" and by that I mean Thompson, release anything today or tomorrow after the 2nd part of the interview. I would think Thompson would be trying very hard to speak with Brett if his intentions were to "protect his legacy" and to "welcome him back", which I seriously doubt they are....Stay tuned...

[Harlan Huckleby]

After last night,

you are on my permanent shit list. your performance last night was disgraceful - questioning my manhood and JustinHarrel's intelligence. Not unlike Brett Favre's pathetic display last night, I think you have now soiled your nest here at packerrats. Leave.

[motife]