NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[woodbuck27]

This is clearly still a sore spot with him. But as was pointed out before, Brett is not the GM and its not his call.

I agree. He looks like an idiot getting all frustrated over Thompson ignoring his suggestions. Thompson's record the last 4 years have been incredibly solid and there should be no question regarding Thompson's desire and ability to improve the Packer roster from top to bottom.

Even if Favre was frustrated, he should be able to sit back at this point and realize that Thompson has a far better understanding of how to run a team than he does.

Your certainly correct. TT just moves too slow to meet Favre's timeline.

[pbmax]

This argument is a non-starter. Even Favre says McCarthy told him he could have asked for more time in the Spring. He didn't mention he wanted until training camp until June, after his "retirement".

How is it possible that Favre, who has withstood tremendous pressure and scrutiny in his career, suddenly folds like a card table on one of the most important issues of his career? The team has said a decision before Free Agency would be nice. Before the draft would be OK. Our shrinking violet of a QB couldn't pipe up that he needed more time?

His answer was that he couldn't commit 100%. McCarthy answered in the only practicable way, take a few more days and make sure you're sure.

And he still didn't ask for more time. He started to waffle less than one month after his retirement but never asked back. He didn't ask for anything until the Packers told him is was late to reinstall him over Rodgers prior to training camp.

Then he asked to be released. These are not the actions of a man wronged, these are the actions of a man who has had his agent testing the waters and has been gunning for his release since March.

First, it isn't complicated at all. The Packers likely did put pressure on Favre to make a decision...so Favre made the only decision he could in March. I don't necessarily fault Green Bay for pressing Favre on the issue, but they can't sit back now and plead ignorance.

[The Leaper]

Too bad for Ted Thompson as he can't win. Favre outplayed him and we'll all see this sooner or later.

I can't agree with that.

Thompson can easily win if he goes on to win a Super Bowl with Rodgers or Brohm in a few years. He can also lose if Rodgers turns out to be a dud. However, he can still go either way at this point.

Favre is the one who can't win. The guy has been pushed away from the team where he is a legend, and has no real chance of playing anywhere else either...even though he wants to.

[The Leaper]

This argument is a non-starter. Even Favre says McCarthy told him he could have asked for more time in the Spring. He didn't mention he wanted until training camp until June, after his "retirement".

What does "more time" mean? If the Packers wanted a decision by the draft...which is what I'm assuming they wanted...then Favre felt he would not have the opportunity to make a real decision.

Who cares if McCarthy offered him a few more weeks to decide? The bottom line is that the Packers clearly were putting a DEADLINE on Favre. Putting a deadline on a 38 year old QB legend coming off an MVP caliber season when you have his replacement already waiting in the wings regardless of Favre's decision is a bad idea if you ask me.

[pbmax]

Favre was 13-3 last year with Thompson's timeline. No other GM got him there that fast. Favre has no qualifications to be GM. Moss, Wahle and Riveria won zero Super Bowls after they moved.

If your argument comes down to who is the better GM, the answer is that Thompson has gotten his job done better than Brett.

Your certainly correct. TT just moves too slow to meet Favre's timeline.

[GBRulz]

Re: NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

[/quote]But Charles was, I guess that was who I was thinking of and just lumped Al in with him. This is what happens when you deal with Merlin and Woody. You become just a dumb as they are.[/quote]

Wouldn't it be nice if who did and didn't attend mini-camp this year was our biggest off-season problem??

[RIPackerFan]

Sorry - but Favre can make this season a fiasco.

He could come to camp (as 2nd string) - and cause a serious media circus at camp.

There is no doubt in my mind - if he were to come to camp - there would be a divided lockerroom - more pressure on Rogers - fans chanting Favre every day in practice - and overall distractions that will cause this team to self-destruct.

He knows this - which is why he is asking for his release. There is no way this ends up nice if he comes to camp and TT/MM don't intend on starting him. Even if Brett does everything nicely - teammates/fans will be going crazy and it doesn't end well.

[pbmax]

Marino was always more demonstrative on the field than Favre when it came to communicating frustration with teammates. At the end of his career, it seemed he was always glaring at someone after a play failed.

At the end of his tenure, there was tension with his coach/GM (Jimmy Johnson) and the direction of the team (more running, less wide open).

By the end of Johnson's tenure and into Wannestat's, the news out of Miami seemed to be all about when the union of team and Marino would break apart. He seemed separate from the rest of the team and frustrated.

Favre has different complaints and he has rarely shown up teammates. But the public airing of grievances, QB vs. team is reminiscent of Marino's end.

The end of Joe Montana's tenure in San Fran was equally fraught, but it was a shorter time frame and one of the seasons Montana was out of the picture after an injury. Before it was public every day, they traded him to the Chiefs.

"going Marino on the team"

For those younger, what did Marino do?

[woodbuck27]

Re: NAIL IS IN THE COFFIN

I hate to break it to you Merlin, buit they have made all OTA's this year so your argument is garbage.

Not that it really matters, but no they didn't. I was there for four practices this year, only saw Al at one of them. He wasn't there at all for the first week.

But Charles was, I guess that was who I was thinking of and just lumped Al in with him. This is what happens when you deal with Merlin and Woody. You become just a dumb as they are.

YOUR NOT ONLY A PUNK WITH A BAD ASS WAY YOUR AN ARROGANT FOOL cpk1994.

Merlin and I would rip you a new one in a debate JUNIOR.

[pbmax]

Shouldn't working out and being physically prepared be more important to an older player than a younger one?

Besides Favre working out with a High School football team, how has he prepared to play? Has he done anything to staunch late season slides? Not even Favre at 39 can turn it on and off. He maybe more physically prepared than the young guys, we don't know. But the evidence of a lower level of play late in the season (mostly one week up another down) makes me doubt it.

BTW

I am so fucking tired of people harping on Favre for missing the OTAs. That is a load of crock. OTAs for a guy like Favre are virtually meaningless.

[pbmax]

No one said deadline. No one said we HAVE to know. No one said if you don't decide we will retire your jersey and put you on the inactive list.

Before FA would be great, before the draft would be good. If he needed more time, even McCarthy wondered why he didn't ask!

There are two separate issues here. Why does it take this long to decide? Did he just want to miss the minicamps?

The second is why would Favre feel pressure on this one issue when it has failed to move him on other occasions this offseason. You can say he blinked, I think it suited his purpose.

This argument is a non-starter. Even Favre says McCarthy told him he could have asked for more time in the Spring. He didn't mention he wanted until training camp until June, after his "retirement".

What does "more time" mean? If the Packers wanted a decision by the draft...which is what I'm assuming they wanted...then Favre felt he would not have the opportunity to make a real decision.

Who cares if McCarthy offered him a few more weeks to decide? The bottom line is that the Packers clearly were putting a DEADLINE on Favre. Putting a deadline on a 38 year old QB legend coming off an MVP caliber season when you have his replacement already waiting in the wings regardless of Favre's decision is a bad idea if you ask me.

[The Leaper]

Shouldn't working out and being physically prepared be more important to an older player than a younger one?

C'mon Max. OTAs have very little to do with being physically prepared to play...and you damn well know it. Mentally prepared, yes. Physically prepared, NO!

They aren't two-a-days designed to get people into playing shape. They are out there practicing in shorts without pads. It is far more about drilling fundamentals about the system into the heads of the young guys who need to learn it...which obviously is not true of Favre.

Peyton Manning is going to miss all of training camp and preseason this year...DAMN!!! I guess the Colts are screwed. How the fuck is Manning ever going to be able to be ready to play???

[Tarlam!]

Leaper, I think you are right. But the Favre camp started a propaganda war that forces management to react.

All Brett had to do was unretire. Tell TT and Goodell he was back on the roster. Instead, it has turned into a pissing contest.

[motife]

Favre is such a complete idiot.

If you want to play, stop dithering, unretire and STFU.

Who cares about your long winded explanations?

[The Leaper]

Favre is such a complete idiot.

If you want to play, stop dithering, unretire and STFU.

Who cares about your long winded explanations?

I would agree with that. If he wants to play, ask for reinstatement and come to play. If Favre is in camp, there is no way in hell that Rodgers is named the starter on week one. I can't see ANY coach or GM that would play Rodgers over Favre at this point...unless you held a gun to their head.

I wish Greta would ask him that question...why not just shut up, ask for reinstatement, and go to camp...but she won't.