Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

[cpk1994]

Protect the legacy that both the Packers and Brett have built together and bring Brett back based on his reputation, his past performance, including last year's accomplishment, and let him play. A-Rod can wait to build his own legacy. If Brett is reinstated, sit him down, tell him you want him back and you want to win and that you are sorry this situation has deteriorated, but if you are willing to come back and be our guy, let's just put this all in the past and go out and win football games this year.

I'm hoping that's not just a dream. Brett is a talker, says lots of stuff; can't take it all to heart. The Packers should love him despite the annoyance/situation he has helped to cause. He's not just the best QB you have, he's your legacy QB that means a lot to fans everywhere. Even if you do it for capitalist/legacy/brand reasons, it's still smarter than drawing a false line in the sand and making the guy feel unwanted. Sure he's indecisive, but so are many when they are trying to decide to play still. I don't think he's trying to run the team, just make up his freakin' mind. Still can win, this still can happen, I hope the management see's the big, big picture and is too focused in on 2008 or the next few years. It doesn't need to go down this way! It can be mended.

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

Carolina threw down a well thought out post with ways of working things out and all you can do is repeat you tired ass BS and tell him to stick his head in someones ass???

I told him to get it OUT of Brett's ass not stick it in. And its only tired to those who believe "Lord Favre' can do no wrong and worship at his altar and sniff his jock.

I don't do dudes, dude. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I've never said Brett was blameless, and yeah, it is annoying to go into off-seasons and wonder if you're going to have him there or not. He's the one who pays the price and puts in all the time and sacrifices his body, and I'm sure that every year that you get closer to the end of your career it's that much harder to decide because your brain may say, don't do it, but your heart might be more into it. Unfortunately it's taken him longer this year to make up his mind. I'm sure there was no malice, like, "let's see how much I can piss off the Packers and make them wait." I presume that TT and MM still think he can play, so that hasn't changed. The only thing that really has is his commitment level. So, are we really going to have Brett out the door over something that didn't have to rise to the level of Brett possibly being unceremoniously dumped? Nobody is immune from blame here; it all could have been handled better, however, we are where we are, and if the front office wants to keep the impasse going, they have to live with whatever backlash and results they receive, and the legacy that they are the ones who were at the helm when he was traded/released (I hope it never comes to pass). Find a way, TT, forgive your prodigal hilbilly and bring him back as the starter and let's not let things end this way.

Brett is the one who has to make the next move and sign his reinstatement papers. TT won't forgive him becuase he doens't want to put up with Favre's diva shit anymore. Bravo to TT for that.

[mraynrand]

PLease. Sit him down and tell them you are sorry while making him the starter? You basically just condoned Brett's divish behavior and convey to the rest of the team that Brett is is above them. You do that and he will pull hte same shit next year. Get you're head out of Favre's ass and back to reality.

Well, Green Bay is more than able to welcome him back under the condition that 2008 is the last hurrah, so there would be no need to have to go through this next year.

Also, the rest of the team already knows that Favre is above them. Are they on the cover of Madden? Are they going to have their number retired inside of Lambeau? The notion that this is some communist system in the NFL where everyone is viewed the same is bullshit. Favre is a legend...and with that comes a level of respect and privilege that others guys probably won't get.

It is the same in any other professional profession...it isn't like football is any different from being a doctor or a police man. There are always people at the bottom of the totem pole and people at the top.

Life ain't fair. Get used to it.

Good post. Favre will get treated differently. He knows it too. a certain amount of prima donna behaviour is to be expected. I think a threshold was crossed - the benefits of Favre no longer outweighed the negatives, IT SEEMS, in the eyes of TT and MM. I disagree, but I don't get to work with Rodgers every single day in the off season like they do. TT has been right about a lot of draft picks, and he's drafted 3 QBs now. MM has a solid history of making QBs better, including Favre. TT and MM are banking on their own abilities to coach up Rodgers and Brohm and whatshisface from LSU. I hope they're right - but if you look at their successes and the success of the team, they've good reason to believe they will be right.

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

You wouldn't agree that Grant's lack of production was because they loaded up to stop the run, and Favre couldn't take advantage?

No I wouldn't.

Go back and watch the damn game again Tex! The Giants were not loading up to stuff the run. They were primarily using their DL to stuff the run (they weren't going after Favre with their pass rush full bore all the time) and consistently dropped 6 guys into coverage. WRs could not get ANY separation...even the big TD by Driver was almost an INT because the Giant secondary was in our WRs jock straps. Our OL played miserably...which is why the coaching staff eventually gave up on the run altogether.

Agreed, the defense wasn't up to standard that day, but that had happened a few other times and we won anyway with Grant, Favre, the receivers, and the O Line outgunning opponents.

Doing it against Oakland or Detroit is pointless. You have to be able to do it against title contenders if you want to win a title.

Our defense did not play up to par that game...they did not adjust to help on Burress nearly fast enough and Harris was exposed. The defense could not get a key stop against the run game when it was needed, and put very little pressure on Manning...Eli sat back there all day.

That loss can hardly be pinned exclusively on Favre. He deserves his share of blame...but that share is quite a bit less than some on here would like to imagine. There is a ton of blame to go around. Hey...the team was VERY YOUNG and hadn't been there before. Chalk it up to a learning experience, and they probably will be better the next time...if there is a next time.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Ahhh Patler? Come now. Do you really expect a Rookie (edit) starting QB will get this year to where Favre could.? I don't.

Favre looks amazingly ready to me after seeing him and his outstanding spirit, movement arm and conditioning on the local late night sports last night. He's in absoloutly great looking condition by the reports and I verify that based on my brief witness. Brett Favre looks very ready and strong. Rested too. He will win again somewhere. I want it to be leading OUR team for another season.

Favre wants to get it on with us man deep down but no way for that now. Not any other NFL team but he has been handcuffed. He should simply stay retired as a final outcome of this lousy mess.

Try hard to reach inside of YOU for 'that fact' Patler. Yet realistically all we're aware of today is 'the man' is Aaron Rodgers. That will likely not change and many here wish it would. I certainly do.

Favre is ready Patler. Just not for Green Bay ever again. So any posts of the Favre Vs Rodgers nature are mute to the reality of life now in Green Bay. A tough one for too many Packer fans but reality.

[The Leaper]

I think a threshold was crossed - the benefits of Favre no longer outweighed the negatives, IT SEEMS, in the eyes of TT and MM.

Yep, I'm guessing you are right. I'm guessing Favre's little stunt where he wanted to come back the first time and backed out was too much for them. I can sort of understand that...Favre handled this like a dumbass for the most part.

Still, when the team is THIS CLOSE to having all the pieces in place, to go to an inexperienced QB is such a huge risk...no matter how great he has looked in practice or preseason.

[mission]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Ahhh Patler? Come now. Do you really expect a Rookie QB will get this year to where Favre could.? I don't.

Favre looks amazingly ready to me after seeing him and his outstanding spirit, movement arm and conditioning on the local late night sports last night. He's in absoloutly great looking condition by the reports and I verify that based on my brief witness. Brett Favre looks very ready and strong. Rested too. He will win again somewhere. I want it to be leading OUR team for another season.

Favre wants to get it on with us man. Not any other NFL team b ut he has been handcuffed.

Try hard to reach inside of YOU for 'that fact' Patler. Yet realistically all we're aware of today is 'the man' is Aaron Rodgers. That will likely not change and many here wish it would. I certainly do.

Favre is ready Patler.

Are you fucking retarded? He looks very ready and strong? Looks rested? His arm LOOKS good?

What are you? Have you ever played a sport before? Do you wear pink ballerina outfits while you post on PR?

Rodgers is NOT a rookie. A Rookie means you are months removed from college keg parties and orgies with STD-ridden women...

Not where Rodgers is... I have no idea how you can extrapolate Favre's ability to play an ENTIRE season based on that interview. Shit, what's his record in the cold playoffs?

Of course he's fucking rested.

HE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING.

jesus, i thought you were *ok* despite scott always bashing on you but man... you're just like 7 fries short of a happy meal.




now this is where you tell me that im sick and you feel sorry for me and that i need jesus and all of that since you don't have anything to really say to me.

[cpk1994]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Ahhh Patler? Come now. Do you really expect a Rookie QB will get this year to where Favre could.? I don't.

Favre looks amazingly ready to me after seeing him and his outstanding spirit, movement arm and conditioning on the local late night sports last night. He's in absoloutly great looking condition by the reports and I verify that based on my brief witness. Brett Favre looks very ready and strong. Rested too. He will win again somewhere. I want it to be leading OUR team for another season.

Favre wants to get it on with us man. Not any other NFL team b ut he has been handcuffed.

Try hard to reach inside of YOU for 'that fact' Patler. Yet realistically all we're aware of today is 'the man' is Aaron Rodgers. That will likely not change and many here wish it would. I certainly do.

Favre is ready Patler.

Are you fucking retarded? He looks very ready and strong? Looks rested? His arm LOOKS good?

What are you? Have you ever played a sport before? Do you wear pink ballerina outfits while you post on PR?

Rodgers is NOT a rookie. A Rookie means you are months removed from college keg parties and orgies with STD-ridden women...

Not where Rodgers is... I have no idea how you can extrapolate Favre's ability to play an ENTIRE season based on that interview. Shit, what's his record in the cold playoffs?

Of course he's fucking rested.

HE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING.

jesus, i thought you were *ok* despite scott always bashing on you but man... you're just like 7 fries short of a happy meal.




now this is where you tell me that im sick and you feel sorry for me and that i need jesus and all of that since you don't have anything to really say to me.

Woody's ramblings are inspiring. They inspire people to "Just Say NO to Drugs".

[The Leaper]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

A Rookie means you are months removed from college keg parties and orgies with STD-ridden women...

Ah...something to make me laugh.

[sheepshead]

That canker sore that appears every 3 months or so?? Damn

[Partial]

I think you might be onto something, Patler. However, until Rodgers proves he can stay healthy for 16 games, it's a tough opinion to agree with. With Favre, you knew that he'd be there every game--giving you a chance to win. Favre's mannerisms in many of his recent cold weather games had me worried. He used to own cold weather. Recently, it looked like he'd rather be somewhere else.

I didn't see anyone else look like they really wanted to be there either. Those were some super cold games. I'm not convinced Favre is a liability in cold weather.

Agreed.

Those were what the coldest and third coldest games ever? The wind was wicked. Does anyone remember Coughlin's face and how it pretty much peeled off onto the tundra of lambeau?!?

They lost to a team of destiny.

[woodbuck27]

Could go ethier way. Brett's shit sure isn't helping the situation though.

Yup. Take ' the nails ' and hammer away from Brett NOW! That hole is dark and deep.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Ahhh Patler? Come now. Do you really expect a Rookie QB will get this year to where Favre could.? I don't.

Favre looks amazingly ready to me after seeing him and his outstanding spirit, movement arm and conditioning on the local late night sports last night. He's in absoloutly great looking condition by the reports and I verify that based on my brief witness. Brett Favre looks very ready and strong. Rested too. He will win again somewhere. I want it to be leading OUR team for another season.

Favre wants to get it on with us man. Not any other NFL team b ut he has been handcuffed.

Try hard to reach inside of YOU for 'that fact' Patler. Yet realistically all we're aware of today is 'the man' is Aaron Rodgers. That will likely not change and many here wish it would. I certainly do.

Favre is ready Patler.

Are you fucking retarded? He looks very ready and strong? Looks rested? His arm LOOKS good?

What are you? Have you ever played a sport before? Do you wear pink ballerina outfits while you post on PR?

Rodgers is NOT a rookie. A Rookie means you are months removed from college keg parties and orgies with STD-ridden women...

Not where Rodgers is... I have no idea how you can extrapolate Favre's ability to play an ENTIRE season based on that interview. Shit, what's his record in the cold playoffs?

Of course he's fucking rested.

HE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING.

jesus, i thought you were *ok* despite scott always bashing on you but man... you're just like 7 fries short of a happy meal.




now this is where you tell me that im sick and you feel sorry for me and that i need jesus and all of that since you don't have anything to really say to me.

Woody's ramblings are inspiring. They inspire people to "Just Say NO to Drugs".

It is actually the opposite. His posts inspire our other senior members to stay on their meds.

[woodbuck27]

Re: Have many reached the wrong conclusion in Favre/Rodgers?

The predominant opinion seems to be that the Packers chance of winning THIS YEAR is better with Favre than Rodgers. Could it be that Thompson and McCarthy are of the opinion that their chances of ultimate success are no less with Rodgers than with Favre? Do they perhaps think that at the end of a long, long season the physical strain on a 39-year-old Favre,and the chance of playing in bone chilling weather at Lambeau Field makes Rodgers a better option than Favre for success in the playoffs?

Ahhh Patler? Come now. Do you really expect a Rookie QB will get this year to where Favre could.? I don't.

Favre looks amazingly ready to me after seeing him and his outstanding spirit, movement arm and conditioning on the local late night sports last night. He's in absoloutly great looking condition by the reports and I verify that based on my brief witness. Brett Favre looks very ready and strong. Rested too. He will win again somewhere. I want it to be leading OUR team for another season.

Favre wants to get it on with us man. Not any other NFL team but he has been handcuffed.

Try hard to reach inside of YOU for 'that fact' Patler. Yet realistically all we're aware of today is 'the man' is Aaron Rodgers. That will likely not change and many here wish it would. I certainly do.

Favre is ready Patler.

Are you fucking retarded? He looks very ready and strong? Looks rested? His arm LOOKS good?

What are you? Have you ever played a sport before? Do you wear pink ballerina outfits while you post on PR?

Rodgers is NOT a rookie. A Rookie means you are months removed from college keg parties and orgies with STD-ridden women...

Not where Rodgers is... I have no idea how you can extrapolate Favre's ability to play an ENTIRE season based on that interview. Shit, what's his record in the cold playoffs?

Of course he's fucking rested.

HE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING.

jesus, i thought you were *ok* despite scott always bashing on you but man... you're just like 7 fries short of a happy meal.




now this is where you tell me that im sick and you feel sorry for me and that i need jesus and all of that since you don't have anything to really say to me.

I revised that post to Rookie starter mission.

As far as the rest of your response. Take it 'to hell' with YOU. What's with all the crap coming at me when I've never attacked you?

Attack the post NOT the poster.

[Zool]

yup

[gex]

mission=favre hater, TT salad tosser, your too young too even know what Favre has done for this orginization, or to probably think of anybody else but yourself, maybe TT's smooth nutsack