Holy Crap! Favre'll show up for camp!

[Chevelle2]

If Favre were serious about playing with GB, his papers would be in by now.

His papers NOT being in, tells me he and TT are working on a trade that would appease him, and Favre is waiting to approve.

Thoughts?

[MJZiggy]

This was what I meant when I responded to Woodbuck somewhere around here about Favre being retired until he does the paperwork and all of the news being contradictory. The problem I can see so clearly brewing is that Favre shows up for camp without having submitted the papers and being cleared to play and then the Packers can't let him into camp, starting another media shitstorm.

[Badgerinmaine]

If Favre were serious about playing with GB, his papers would be in by now.

His papers NOT being in, tells me he and TT are working on a trade that would appease him, and Favre is waiting to approve.

Thoughts?

You may be right, and at this point it may be the best outcome, especially if they deal him out of the NFC.

[sheepshead]

If Favre were serious about playing with GB, his papers would be in by now.

His papers NOT being in, tells me he and TT are working on a trade that would appease him, and Favre is waiting to approve.

Thoughts?

You may be right, and at this point it may be the best outcome, especially if they deal him out of the NFC.

This appears to be the harsh reality of the situation.

[Gunakor]

There are two ways of looking at it. And its not at all certain which way is correct. But TT & MM have the right to make the choice.

Exactly. and I will support them if they make the right choice!

Will you support them if they make the right choice even if it isn't the one you agree with right now?

Will you support them even if they make the wrong choice because you support the Green Bay Packers?

As fans we have the right to criticize when GM's make the wrong decision. You can be a Packer fan and still ridicule...or glorify...a GM's decision

I can criticize the decisions our GM makes while remaining supportive of our GM himself. And it's not fair to judge TT's entire tenure as our GM on one single decision. He's made a helluva lot of good decisions that led to 13-3 last year. That can't be overlooked.

In any case, he won't get it wrong. If Favre comes back to Green Bay and starts then TT wins. If Rodgers starts and begins a new era of consistent winning then TT wins. If Favre leaves and Rodgers stinks and Brohm comes in as the savior in the coming seasons then TT wins. The only way TT loses is if Green Bay returns to the Siberia of the NFL that it was in the 70's and 80's. As stacked as he's made this team for Rodgers/Favre/Brohm/whoever, I don't see that as even a remote possibility.

OK this is too simple:

Factor this into your thinking. Your a Vegas odds maker and your reputation dictates all inegrity and common sense.

Packers odds of wining a NFC Championship for the 2008 season.

a) Better or worse With Favre at Starting QB over Aaron Rodgers?

Just to be sure or make it really clear.

b) Better or worse with Aaron Rodgers at Starting QB over Brett Favre?

What did YOU discover? I see what any media outlet and newspaper sports reporter and NFL expert and well, any sensable Packer or NFL fan will see. TT will see it too. TT won't blow this one. Will he?

hint: FAVRE !!!!

Well Woody, I can't really answer that right now. I haven't seen Aaron Rodgers as a starting QB yet, so I have no idea if he gives us a better chance than Favre. What I do know - and pay attention here - is that for as great of a regular season QB Favre is and has been, he has not been incredibly good in the playoffs over the last decade. He does not own the cold like he used to.

Rodgers will get us to the playoffs. And it is there that the two will be judged against one another. Can Rodgers handle the cold better than the greybeard? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet against him. In any case, do not state as fact that Favre gives us a better chance because you don't know either. You haven't seen Rodgers as a starter either, and neither of us have seen Rodgers take a snap in the postseason. So we'll see.

[Gunakor]

Aaron Rodgers over Favre to start. Gonna do a Tonya Harding on Favre Big Guy? Aaron Rodgers over Favre?? In your worst nightmares.

If I'm understanding MM correctly, that is exactly what is gonna happen. Your worst nightmare maybe. Not ours. Rodgers is the starter, Favre shows up and he's NOT the starter. Straight from MM's mouth. Regardless what TT and Favre's deal is, ultimately it is MM's decision and MM's decision alone whether Favre starts if he's on the roster. And from the sounds of things, he's already made that decision publicly.

[The Shadow]

[quote="woodbuck27"

Favre is a Packer first.[/quote]


I think Favre is strictly a Favre first.

[RashanGary]

Favre is a Packer first.

I think Favre is strictly a Favre first.

Understatement of the week.

[Joemailman]

Aaron Rodgers over Favre to start. Gonna do a Tonya Harding on Favre Big Guy? Aaron Rodgers over Favre?? In your worst nightmares.

If I'm understanding MM correctly, that is exactly what is gonna happen. Your worst nightmare maybe. Not ours. Rodgers is the starter, Favre shows up and he's NOT the starter. Straight from MM's mouth. Regardless what TT and Favre's deal is, ultimately it is MM's decision and MM's decision alone whether Favre starts if he's on the roster. And from the sounds of things, he's already made that decision publicly.

It's pretty clear from MM's comments that Arod would have to play himself out of the starting job to lose it. Even if Favre were to play lights out, Arod will still be the starter as long as he doesn't completely bomb. People who want Favre on the team, and I'm one of them, will have to accept the fact that Favre will be the backup barring a serious Arod injury.

[Packers4Ever]

In fact, if Rodgers can't win 3 playoff games within the next 5 years, let alone 10, he doesn't belong on this team.

To be honest I love debating this Favre stuff and enjoy rapping back and forth with a strong majority of the posters in here. Gunakor...Mailman....Vince...most in here....they are realistic enough where we can agree to disagree in a friendly matter.

But this continuous trashing of Favre and dwelling on his playoff record alone while ignoring his accomplishments IMO discredit you enough to make it hard to take your over the top views serious enough to debate.

Total agreement here, B.

[Packers4Ever]

Re: my first post on this whole dilema

i'm not going to type up here and call people names... i'll even try not to argue with other people b/c every one has their own opinions... opinions are like armpits... everybody has them and they all stink...

first of all i think with favre the packers are a solid super bowl contender... with rodgers i think we are a solid playoff team... now obviously both senarios depend on each man staying healthy the whole year...

secondly i wish favre wouldn't have retired in march... i wish he would have come back the first time (before the draft and OTAs) when TT and MM were going to let him be the starter... and i believe if he would keep his mouth shut and show up for training camp he could beat out AR and be the starter opening day '08... and i also believe its because of his wishy/washy antics that it has come down to that...

thirdly i am ultimately a GB Packer FAN!... as of now BF is my fav. player (and i have the bobble heads, jersey, signed mini helmet, etc... to prove it)... but i'll be a Packer fan whether brett suits up for the green and gold or not... at first i wasn't too sure about TT... he made moves i didn't understand and i questioned him... then he made a couple more moves i questioned... but as far as i'm concerned he has done a hell of a job building this team and putting young playmakers around the QB position... i will trust TT in the decision he makes about this absurd BF fiasco b/c i think he has shown he deserves it...

all i know is, i want this whole ordeal to end... i'd prefer to see brett come to training camp and try and win the starting job back... if not i'd like to see him come back and be a backup/mentor... after that i'd prefer he retire... and if those three senarios don't pan out, it would be really weird watching him in another jersey throwing rockets to other recievers... does he really want to put his original fans through that?... is coming back to play another year or two worth it to him that much? its not for me to say... i'll watch whoever is under center for my GB Packers every sunday/monday/or thursday... and live and die by my green and gold!!

Nice post, BZ, welcome to PackerRats, you make a lot of sense here. It's been a long spring and summer keeping up with and worrying about the Pack but we're almost there. We have to go along with the decision that's
being made - I don't always go along with TT but basically I think he's done a great job revamping the team, pulling in a lot of great young players, Haven't seen many 'bummers' yet ! He's the boss and we have to trust he knows what he's doing.

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's pretty clear from MM's comments that Arod would have to play himself out of the starting job to lose it. Even if Favre were to play lights out, Arod will still be the starter as long as he doesn't completely bomb. People who want Favre on the team, and I'm one of them, will have to accept the fact that Favre will be the backup barring a serious Arod injury.

I agree, the team is much better with Favre back on the team.

Sounds like the door has been slammed on that option, if Chris Mortenson-Favre can be believed.

Mortenson blames the Packers for not letting Favre compete. But on the other side, was Favre really willing to accept the backup job? Maybe the Packers are just being realistic.