McCarthy: Favre's days as our starting QB are over

[Harlan Huckleby]

Regardless of my post count (don't get snippy with me, bub) you didn't answer my question.

back off, Nurse Ratchet. Nutz didn't answer your question because he does not have one.

Show a little grace. A little respect for the male ego.

[MJZiggy]

Nutz, if that's the true logic, why did they take him back the first time he unretired?

I guess I could have just said this. But why say something in 10 words when it can be done in 500?

Because you could have over 10,000 posts then.

Regardless of my post count (don't get snippy with me, bub) you didn't answer my question.

I answered Harlan's question because he showed better detail.

I'll remember that...

[boiga]

It's hard to say exactly what changed the minds of TT && MM.
Just like it's hard to say exactly what changed Favre's mind.

I think they liked what they saw from A-Rod is minicamps. And they decided to make a firm commitment. Its not a question of "banishing" Favre - he retired and the team went in a new direction.

I don't think it's anything that complicated. They just decided they couldn't wait for Favre to get over his waffling before deciding the direction of the team. They emphasized the OTA's, the team unity, and everything the team had to do to make the transition to a post Favre Packers as seamless as possible.

By the time Brett decided in July, they felt that the transition had already been made and going back would mean undoing all the progress that had been made that summer. So, they decided to keep "moving forward" as they like to say.

They think the transition has been made and to change that go back would make the team worse, not better. So, Favre got cut off.

I agree it sucks to be him, but it's a bed of his own making.

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz, if that's the true logic, why did they take him back the first time he unretired?

I guess I could have just said this. But why say something in 10 words when it can be done in 500?

Because you could have over 10,000 posts then.

Regardless of my post count (don't get snippy with me, bub) you didn't answer my question.

Who said they were going to take him back? They were going to meet with him. The idea of Favre coming back was agreeable with Thompson and McCarthy, but they might not have liked the terms Favre would have layed out for his return. They could have simply said, "thanks but no thanks". they never had that chance because Favre couldn't commit.

[MJZiggy]

What "terms" could he possibly have laid out that aren't in his contract? He comes back, they pay him piles of cash. M3 has always had him limited in practices, so it's not like they were gonna slave drive him...

[RIPackerFan]

Conspiracy Theory Alert:

Besides MM and TT saying they were going to welcome Brett back with open arms - how do we know that they weren't going to go down to convince him to stay retired in March. It certainly makes the Pack look good to say they were going to welcome him back, but what if they were going down to try to get him to stay retired? No one knows what they were going to really do - and I could see them just saying they would try to get him back (even if they weren't).

We are all assuming that they were going to welcome them back (heck - the Pack Mgmt said so). However, its tough for me to think in three months, that they would change their tune so dramatically that they don't want him in to compete, even with his waffling.

Something seems wrong with the fact that they were going to fly MM and TT down to welcome him back with open arms, but in three months....tell him to go fly a kite.

Yeah - I know that it is far-fetched, but it seems that Campen was the alert guy - that when Favre go the feeling to play, to set into motion actions to try to get him to reconsider.

I know, I know - conpiracy theory and I should get my tinfoil hat on.

[boiga]

You don't really charter a jet to convince somewhere to stay away. Also, Favre never denied the time line's validity.

Like I just said, in march they hadn't tried to transition the team yet. It was before the draft, before the OTA's, before everything. Nothing had been done that couldn't be undone by changing some plans.

By July, they'd drafted, talked, trained, and prepared. Now they think they can't go back.

[cpk1994]

Conspiracy Theory Alert:

Besides MM and TT saying they were going to welcome Brett back with open arms - how do we know that they weren't going to go down to convince him to stay retired in March. It certainly makes the Pack look good to say they were going to welcome him back, but what if they were going down to try to get him to stay retired? No one knows what they were going to really do - and I could see them just saying they would try to get him back (even if they weren't).

We are all assuming that they were going to welcome them back (heck - the Pack Mgmt said so). However, its tough for me to think in three months, that they would change their tune so dramatically that they don't want him in to compete, even with his waffling.

Something seems wrong with the fact that they were going to fly MM and TT down to welcome him back with open arms, but in three months....tell him to go fly a kite.

Yeah - I know that it is far-fetched, but it seems that Campen was the alert guy - that when Favre go the feeling to play, to set into motion actions to try to get him to reconsider.

I know, I know - conpiracy theory and I should get my tinfoil hat on.

The only one saying Favre isn't beiong allowed to compete is Favre. But he seems to forget that , HE retired, HE asked back and they said "yes, HE changed his mind and then stayed retired, HE asked back again and they said no, HE then threw the team under the bus, HE got all pissy when Greta asked him if he would go and compete for the job, basically saying no, and now he's mad they won't let him compete(HIS claim)? Gee, Brett if you can't figure out why they aren't giving you what you want, your brain is offically dead.

[RIPackerFan]

I think Favre is the only one who is coming out and saying it - but with MM saying - Arod will be our starting QB - we have moved on - he can play some other role" -- all those indicate he won't be able to compete.

If they were so willing - why don't they say, "Since he retired, we moved Arod to the starting QB. He is more than willing to compete for the starting position". That seems reaonable - however all they are saying is that they have moved on and Arod is the QB. In addition - they don't even want him in camp.

I don't disagree that Favre originally didn't want to compete - however, he has stated now he wants to and it seems that the Packers don't want him to.

[Joemailman]

We now know it is TT who won't let Favre play. MM is just a bystander.

http://www.packerpalace.com/rock08.html

[digitaldean]

Charles Schulz must be rolling over in his grave....

[boiga]

We now know it is TT who won't let Favre play. MM is just a bystander.
http://www.packerpalace.com/rock08.html

That's really not true. Ted has no ability to decide who is starting or not. That's all McCarthy, and Mac sounds more pissed at brett than anyone.

[Zool]

When did Favre win the other 2 trophies?