OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Gunakor]

Not a chance Favre wins more than 1 game in the playoffs, the Jets as a team are just not that good. I can tell a lot of you never played football because I see this brought up a lot. Football is a TEAM sport. It takes an entire team to win championships not just one man.

Brett's TEAM is good enough to beat anyone in this league. They have a good defense and they can run the ball real well. Add that with Brett being able to have a game where he can carry them on his back in the 4th quarter and theres no reason to think they couldn't win a super bowl.


Its fine that you don't like Brett anymore but come on dude. No one thought the Giants would win a game in last years post season, look how they did....


and if u played so much football... you would think that a person of your intelligence wouldn't make stupid ass comments like that one thats in bold

You must not watch many jets games. Their Defense is as bad as the packers, except, they don't get the turnover production the packers D gets. So, technically, they are worse. Yeah, the D "bailed" out Favre, but that same D also gave up 27 points in the game, and ton a of yards.

It was not a good game by the jets in general, they were just the better team and got a fluke play towards the end to win it.

The Jets have the ABILITY to beat any team in the NFL. Most teams do. Have you watched the Lions lately? They are losing, but not by much anymore. They can beat anyone on any given sunday. So can the pack. So can any team in the NFL.

The reason some feel the jets have a chance to win every game they walk into is because #4 is at QB. Say what you want, but every expert, analyst, etc. will all admit even at 39, if Brett is your QB your team automatically has the ability to beat any team you face. Doesn't mean you will, but it means that other areas can play like shit, but Brett can go off on you and win it pretty much on his own.

That is total confidence. He has it. AR doesn't. AR may get it, and I hope he does. As of now, Brett is still a better leader, and possibly abetter QB in general.

Wow, I never even realized that. My how the mighty have fallen. 3 weeks ago the Jets defense was top 10 in the NFL. Now they are down to #19. Weird.

Yet makes a funny kind of sense, considering the Jets are 1-2 over that time period.

[packerbacker1234]

Wow, I never even realized that. My how the mighty have fallen. 3 weeks ago the Jets defense was top 10 in the NFL. Now they are down to #19. Weird.

Yet makes a funny kind of sense, considering the Jets are 1-2 over that time period.

*sigh*, as I said, you clearly have not watched the jets all season. The defense they played against NE was not good, and yeah the jets dominated Tenn, who is a run first team (meaning, they are clock eaters, not big point scorers). At the time, the jets D just had a good gameplan, and Tenn gave up on running the ball. Heck, the packers D has a couple good games this season too. Don't you remember how they shut down the colts?

The Jets D isn't just bad because of the performances the last 3 weeks, they are bad in general over the entire season. The most consistent player they have is Kris Jenkins. Beyond him, they don't know what to expect game to game. Jets D is pretty much yuck. Talented, like ours, but for the most part has been a disapointment. Few good showings, one just happened to be against a undefeated team at the time. I didn't buy it for one second, nor did most jets fans. Jets fans already realize at this point the jets only make the playoffs, and only make noise in the playoffs at this point, based off how well Favre can play down the stretch, because the D wont be winning any games for them.

[Gunakor]

Wow, I never even realized that. My how the mighty have fallen. 3 weeks ago the Jets defense was top 10 in the NFL. Now they are down to #19. Weird.

Yet makes a funny kind of sense, considering the Jets are 1-2 over that time period.

*sigh*, as I said, you clearly have not watched the jets all season. The defense they played against NE was not good, and yeah the jets dominated Tenn, who is a run first team (meaning, they are clock eaters, not big point scorers). At the time, the jets D just had a good gameplan, and Tenn gave up on running the ball. Heck, the packers D has a couple good games this season too. Don't you remember how they shut down the colts?

The Jets D isn't just bad because of the performances the last 3 weeks, they are bad in general over the entire season. The most consistent player they have is Kris Jenkins. Beyond him, they don't know what to expect game to game. Jets D is pretty much yuck. Talented, like ours, but for the most part has been a disapointment. Few good showings, one just happened to be against a undefeated team at the time. I didn't buy it for one second, nor did most jets fans. Jets fans already realize at this point the jets only make the playoffs, and only make noise in the playoffs at this point, based off how well Favre can play down the stretch, because the D wont be winning any games for them.

Teams don't become top 10 in anything 12 weeks into the season by accident. And yes, I have seen some Jets games this year. Is there defense elite, no, but they are able to come up with a stop when they need to from time to time. With our defense, whenever the game is on the line the defense folds and gives up the winning score. Every single time. To that extent, the Jets defense is far better than ours.

Not to mention that much of Favre's success has been built off of defensive effort. Like the 6 TD's he threw against Arizona, even though he was given a short field every drive and had less than 300 yards for the day.

Or the couple games the Jets won where Brett threw 3 INT's.

This isn't meant to knock Favre at all, but you can't discount the defensive effort given all season. Again, 3/4 of the way through the season, if you are top 10 at anything it's no accident. You've earned it.

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jets had 7 players make pro bowl. thats an nfl best and team record

lord
alan faneca
leon washington
darrelle revis
nick mangold
thomas jones
kris BEAST jenkins

LETS GOOOOOO.....!!!

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I predict 3TD's by Brett this week. It's been awhile since he had a big game like that, he's due.

my sentiments today too

[packerbacker1234]

Not to mention that much of Favre's success has been built off of defensive effort. Like the 6 TD's he threw against Arizona, even though he was given a short field every drive and had less than 300 yards for the day.

Or the couple games the Jets won where Brett threw 3 INT's.

This isn't meant to knock Favre at all, but you can't discount the defensive effort given all season. Again, 3/4 of the way through the season, if you are top 10 at anything it's no accident. You've earned it.

No, Favre had 289yards on that 6 TD day. Whoops.

It's one game, count it, one game they won when Favre threw three picks. Oh, and who was throwing the GW TD pass at the end to win that three pick performance? The Defense gave up 20+ points that game.

top 10 3/4 through at what? Because, it wasn't in the only stat that matters: Points allowed. The jets D has been giving up tons of points this season. I'll admit, with Kris Jenkins fresh, they were stopping hte run pretty good, but stats can be decieving.

Remember the Bengals a few seasons back, with the record number of Int's and blah blah. They were also top 10, and also completely garbage. With the exact same palyers the next season, the defense finished at 29.

Just saying, WATCH the games, don't just sit back and look at stats. I mean, remember when with Jim Bates the packers were #5 at the end of a 4-12 season? If you watched the games, you knew our defense wasn't remotely as good as the statistics made it out to be. maybe top 20, not top 5 that season.

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favre ties johnny u for most probowl selections for a qb at 10

WHOA.....

[Pacopete4]

If this is it Brett, I wish it was for the Pack but fuck it... get on one of those hot streaks we see outta you every once and awhile and go for a run... get in the post season and do some damage... damn, I just wanna see the man who's given his all to a child's sport, get on a run and finish the way a guy like him is supposed to

[Freak Out]

December 17, 2008
Watching Favre From Baghdad Evokes Memories
By JAMES GLANZ

BAGHDAD — After nearly five years of covering the conflict here, I am leaving Iraq soon for a saner assignment. Having seen and felt more during those years than I can process or express for now, I am spending a lot of time trying to understand, really understand, why the Green Bay Packers let Brett Favre go to the Jets.

I am a Packers fan from birth, and my father covered some of the great Lombardi teams as a TV sports anchor out of Madison, Wis., when I was in grade school. Vince Lombardi had what now might be called a Favre-like ability to awe and charm at the same time. At Dad’s first news conference in Green Bay, before he knew anyone with the team, Lombardi noticed the new guy 10 rows deep in the gallery and stepped off the podium to offer his hand and that big grin. He said, “I’m Vince Lombardi.”

“Like I didn’t know,” Dad said Sunday, when I phoned him from Baghdad to catch up and talk a little football. “I almost had to take out my driver’s license to tell him what my name was.”

The news conference was a first lesson in genuine star power. There would be many more for my father, Irv Glanz, as well as a few for me. But I hadn’t called him to talk about the old days; I wanted to tell him I’d watched the Jets beat the Bills on Sunday after years of not being able to see regular-season football games on satellite television in Baghdad.

A colleague once likened reporting here to sending dispatches from Mars. Sunday was like watching the N.F.L. on Mars. Imagine sitting in a Mars lander on the endless dunes and watching Leon Washington take the ball from Favre and break off a 47-yard run for a touchdown as if he were the only player in a zero-gravity suit. At that moment, the remote and chilly reaches of the solar system all seemed to be friendly places, even if you were not really a Jets fan.

It was so much fun that I asked Mudhafer al-Husseini, an athletic young Iraqi in our newsroom, to stop by my office and watch some of the game. (As the Baghdad bureau chief for The Times, I run a compound of about 120 Iraqi translators, reporters, guards, drivers and other staff.) Mudhafer was at first distracted, because Sunday was the day an Iraqi journalist threw his shoes at President Bush, and our Western correspondents were continuously calling Mudhafer’s cellphone to ask what it all meant.

When his telephone had stopped ringing, Mudhafer said with classic Iraqi bluntness, “I never liked this game.” He looked blankly at the screen as Favre faked a handoff and threw deep to David Clowney, who made an astonishing one-handed catch. A few plays later, Favre made one of his wild heaves downfield and was intercepted. Unmoved, Mudhafer said, “I like soccer and I can understand it.”

But the truth is, Mudhafer is a sports fan in the transcendent sense. I explained the rules and what was happening as the game went along, and by the time J. P. Losman fumbled and Shaun Ellis scored — looking like a large man stumbling dangerously down a hill — Mudhafer was jumping and yelling with me.

“I like this game now, because it holds your breath!” he said.

Ignoring the broadcasters, Mudhafer also recognized immediately that the cameras were framing the game with Favre’s expressions: hands-on-hips chagrin when he threw the interception; lowered eyes on the sideline as Buffalo seemed close to running out the clock; and the leprechaun hops when Ellis lurched into the end zone.

That was another lesson of the Lombardi years, when his nervous pacing, plumes of agitated breath, Jovian scowls and big grin told you where the game stood. Stars on that scale could win you games, and they did, but they also gave you the characters you needed for your personal narrative of the contest. Those narratives, not the newspaper stories or the play by play, turn a team logo into an institution with a history and a right to belong in a certain time and place.

The distance from Mesopotamia to the Meadowlands, about 6,000 miles, brings with it a certain perspective. After Mudhafer left, the crawler at the bottom of the TV screen gave the last in a dismal progression of scores for the Packers-Jaguars game: a 20-16 Green Bay loss.

I know that for the analytical minds of my profession, a final judgment on the Favre trade must wait for a range of subtleties involving the impending showdown with Chad Pennington and the Dolphins; the relative passer ratings of Favre and Aaron Rodgers, who is now under center for the Packers; and a million other factors. But in the Book of Titletown, the only thing that could possibly have justified forcing someone of Favre’s stature to leave for New York is an immediate and obvious swing in wins or some other stirring improvement.

The Packers, who went to the National Football Conference title game last year, are 5-9 and out of the playoffs. The Jets, who had four wins last year, are 9-5 and still in the hunt. This tells me that the football bureaucrats who let Favre go, and whose names I cannot keep straight over here, will see the wrath of the Packers’ gods — Lombardi presiding — come down on their helmetless heads. Soon.

You can read Homer to see how that one ends. In a less epic vein, on Sunday, Dad retold the story of buying expensive golf shoes just before a tournament for Wisconsin sportscasters and Packers players, then shooting well and having his choice of the prizes laid out on a table. They included a nice pair of golf shoes for which he had no use. “Vince came up and put his arm around me and said, ‘Irv, take the golf shoes,’ ” Dad said.

“I took the golf shoes,” he said.

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with all those pro bowlers (nfl-leading 7!) the NY Bretts' confidence should be nearly as high as it was after whooping up on the titans

it should propel them to handle their biz the last 2 games and get 'er done

im going to that last game vs phins which should be for ALL the marbles!!!

gotham gunslinger...

LETS GOOOO....!!!

[Gunakor]

Not to mention that much of Favre's success has been built off of defensive effort. Like the 6 TD's he threw against Arizona, even though he was given a short field every drive and had less than 300 yards for the day.

Or the couple games the Jets won where Brett threw 3 INT's.

This isn't meant to knock Favre at all, but you can't discount the defensive effort given all season. Again, 3/4 of the way through the season, if you are top 10 at anything it's no accident. You've earned it.

No, Favre had 289yards on that 6 TD day. Whoops.

It's one game, count it, one game they won when Favre threw three picks. Oh, and who was throwing the GW TD pass at the end to win that three pick performance? The Defense gave up 20+ points that game.

top 10 3/4 through at what? Because, it wasn't in the only stat that matters: Points allowed. The jets D has been giving up tons of points this season. I'll admit, with Kris Jenkins fresh, they were stopping hte run pretty good, but stats can be decieving.

Remember the Bengals a few seasons back, with the record number of Int's and blah blah. They were also top 10, and also completely garbage. With the exact same palyers the next season, the defense finished at 29.

Just saying, WATCH the games, don't just sit back and look at stats. I mean, remember when with Jim Bates the packers were #5 at the end of a 4-12 season? If you watched the games, you knew our defense wasn't remotely as good as the statistics made it out to be. maybe top 20, not top 5 that season.

Did you go to math class? 289 < 300. Whoops.

I guess Favre really did have short fields that day all afternoon. QB's don't get short fields all afternoon if they have a poor defense. Maybe it is you who needs to watch that game again. Because I already have, and I know what I saw.

I know who threw the GW TD pass after throwing 3 picks, because I saw that game too, but that doesn't excuse the 3 picks he threw. The defense HELD the other team to JUST 20+ points. When your QB turns the ball over 3 times, your opponent better score at least that many. My point is that the defense didn't allow 30+ or 40+ points, which can very easily happen when your offense turns the ball over that many times. Teams that turn the ball over 3 or more times don't win very often, and when they do, it's a credit to the defense. Every time. Every single time.

[gex]

favre ties johnny u for most probowl selections for a qb at 10

WHOA.....

THE MAN, THE MYTH, THE LEGEND!

[GrnBay007]

Interesting article Freak Out, thanks for posting it.

[Freak Out]

Interesting article Freak Out, thanks for posting it.

I always love to hear/read stories like that about Packer "connections".

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quite AMAZN this cat makes pro bowl and is leadn jets on this run after missing camp and learning new offense/team...

wonder if thats EVER been done...hmmmm......

yeah, 13-3 DEF coulda been duplicated in packland with a full TC - DAYUM...

LORD