OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Bretsky]

HAppy New Year! The change of the calender is a time of refreshment. Out with the old, in with the new. Let bygones be bygones.

I wonder what the new hot topic will be for 2009.

Will the Turtle stay under his shell or stick his head out come free agency time ?

[packers11]

pft.com

FAVRE CRITICIZED BY JETS’ MVP

Posted by Aaron Wilson on January 1, 2009, 11:15 a.m.

New York Jets star quarterback Brett Favre recently caught some not-so-friendly fire from Jets running back Thomas Jones, who sharply criticized the veteran signal caller and suggested that Favre should have been benched during a three-interception meltdown against the Miami Dolphins to close the season.

During an interview with New York radio station Hot 97 FM, Jones took some shots at Favre, breaking the silence from a normally supportive locker room.

“We’re a team and we win together . . . but at the same time, you can’t turn the ball over and expect to win,” Jones said, via Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News. “The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that’s just reality. If I were to sit here and say, ‘Oh, man, it’s okay,’ that’s not reality.

“The reality is, you throw interceptions, I’m [ticked] off, I don’t like it. You know what I’m saying? I don’t like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn’t like it. . . .

“If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game. You’re jeopardizing the whole team because you’re having a bad day. To me, that’s not fair to everybody else. You’re not the only one on the team.”

Jones, who later accused Favre indirectly of “giving the game up,” became the first member of the organization to publicly criticize Favre. (Earlier this week, one teammate made critical comments about Favre without permitting the player’s name to be disclosed. For all we or anyone else knows, the player was Jones.)

It’s not known whether other players in the locker room share Jones’ feelings. But since the players voted Jones (and not Favre) the team’s MVP for 2008, anyone who previously had been on the fence might now feel the same way as Jones.

Obviously, it sets the stage for dysfunction next season, if Favre returns. But the wisdom (intentional or otherwise) of Jones’ words is that, if they spark an anti-Favre sentiment in the locker room, the prideful Lord Favre will surely not want to play for the team again in 2009.

[Bretsky]

Kind of some sad statements; I would point out to Thomas Jones that

1. Normally coaches bench players; they rarely bench themselves or take themselves out of the game.

2. The QB was doing what he thought was his best; Jones comments lack class


Of course I'm sure the cult is taking enjoyment in all of this

[Bretsky]

I find it a lot more disturbing that it appears Favre did not make enough effort to mesh with the Jets and rap with the players. As a new player at a key position, he should have focused on establishing more chemistry with his new team........it appears...........if he did this I doubt many of these quotes would be coming out

[The Shadow]

I already posted this on the other 'Favre hurt' thread.......

The 'raising' of Brett Favre is much like the raising of a child. Show me a kid who has been given everything, lacks for nothing, is the center of attention at every family function, has never been told 'NO'. And I'll show you a kid, who when given the chance, siblings, relatives, friends will dump on.

Now with Brett, he earned most of his accalades. Most of those records broken are his. But along the way, mostly in GB.........they made him into someone that was above the game, above the team. Maybe a 'NO', long time ago would have changed the course of things that came. Want a separate locker room, Brett? 'NO', Want to miss parts of early training? 'NO', The 'NO's' never came.
Just once, after a horrendous game had they benched him and played the backup, maybe he'd have gotten the idea that he was dispensable. Just maybe, if the GB organization hadn't made him the face of the Packers, he wouldn't have thought he was that face. Just maybe if the media hadn't done all those (too many) specials about him, long before he retired, he wouldn't have thought of himself as 'legend' before he became one.
Favre needs to retire, he needed to retire. It was good once. It's not anymore. It's painful. Anyone close to him, if they care, should be telling him that.
There is little doubt that Brett Favre was a one-of-a-kind player. I'm just not sure that that lasted 18 years.

This is one of the best summations of the whole topic that I've seen here.
Well done!

[Rastak]

I already posted this on the other 'Favre hurt' thread.......

The 'raising' of Brett Favre is much like the raising of a child. Show me a kid who has been given everything, lacks for nothing, is the center of attention at every family function, has never been told 'NO'. And I'll show you a kid, who when given the chance, siblings, relatives, friends will dump on.

Now with Brett, he earned most of his accalades. Most of those records broken are his. But along the way, mostly in GB.........they made him into someone that was above the game, above the team. Maybe a 'NO', long time ago would have changed the course of things that came. Want a separate locker room, Brett? 'NO', Want to miss parts of early training? 'NO', The 'NO's' never came.
Just once, after a horrendous game had they benched him and played the backup, maybe he'd have gotten the idea that he was dispensable. Just maybe, if the GB organization hadn't made him the face of the Packers, he wouldn't have thought he was that face. Just maybe if the media hadn't done all those (too many) specials about him, long before he retired, he wouldn't have thought of himself as 'legend' before he became one.
Favre needs to retire, he needed to retire. It was good once. It's not anymore. It's painful. Anyone close to him, if they care, should be telling him that.
There is little doubt that Brett Favre was a one-of-a-kind player. I'm just not sure that that lasted 18 years.

This is one of the best summations of the whole topic that I've seen here.
Well done!

Yea, that was really well stated. Bravo PIP.

[The Shadow]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090101/PKR07/90101031/1058/PKR01

[b bulldog]

Jones' comment lacks class, what a bunch of crap. it is real funny how the masses, now that they can't blame a lack of a running game, wr's running wrong routes, or a bad Oline, still stick up for a player that was a major cuase in his teams failure when the games counted the most. I applaud Jones for having the balls to say what many have been thinking for quite some time.

[Joemailman]

Jones was certainly entitled to his thoughts, which many may share, but I don't know if running to the media was the best way to handle it. I wonder if he ever went to Favre personally and told him his play was hurting the team.

[pbmax]

Jones was certainly entitled to his thoughts, which many may share, but I don't know if running to the media was the best way to handle it. I wonder if he ever went to Favre personally and told him his play was hurting the team.

Do you really think Favre needs to be told this?

[b bulldog]

From what I've heard, Brett was never around to be told that lol! I will always remember him in many big games after throwing multiple pics, running off the field as quickly as possible, reminds me of something the Pats coach would do and get criticized for.

[Lurker64]

Jones was certainly entitled to his thoughts, which many may share, but I don't know if running to the media was the best way to handle it. I wonder if he ever went to Favre personally and told him his play was hurting the team.

At the same time though, Brett is no stranger to the whole "manipulate the media into getting your point across for you, so you don't actually have to tell anybody what you're personally thinking" game. Though, I haven't yet heard Favre's cousin respond to Jones's comments.

[b bulldog]

I thought Brett's brother was the one that always runs to the media?

[packinpatland]

The four or five Packerrats who care about Favre will enjoy this thread very much.

I'm officially renouncing my membership in the Brett Favre fan club. I may re-consider once he is no longer affiliated with enemy teams. If he begs. But for now he is an enemy combatant.

I expect that this deeply disturbs him.

'enemy teams'..........that would mean any team in the NFL, right?
'affiliated'.......that would mean putting a jersey and helmet on ?
Just want to clarify.

[Pugger]

Jones may have issues with Favre but you just don't air your dirty lockerroom laundry to the media - and I didn't think Brett should've gone on Fox News' On the Record show doing basically the same thing last summer either.