OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[GrnBay007]

It's starting to come out that Favre wanted out. That doesn't paint him in a very positive light.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...cast-guys.html

Cowboy Troy has said all along that Brett wanted out after TT showed up.....I won't argue with that.

Favre wants to win.....and he must have figured TT wasn't going to set up the team to win before he was done. It looks like he may have been right.

I think there might be a lot of truth to this. And Partial, I don't think it paints him in a negative way.

Favre knew he was reaching the end of his playing career. Thompson is known for building a team through the draft...which takes time.

Look at the emotional retirement press conference. That wasn't fake. I think Favre probably really, really struggled with this. Perhaps he knew he wanted to continue to play, but deep down knew the clock was ticking and what he wanted was not going to happen in GB. The emotions - he loved GB and the Packer fans. It would be hard to walk away from that. Sometimes a person has to do what's right for them personally, even though it may not be what others would like. I just don't see how people can fault him for that. No matter how big of a fan people think they are, they have no right to believe they can dictate what these players do. Once the negativity of the split started, it snowballed and got out of control. That's the sad part.

[Scott Campbell]

It's starting to come out that Favre wanted out. That doesn't paint him in a very positive light.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...cast-guys.html

Cowboy Troy has said all along that Brett wanted out after TT showed up.....I won't argue with that.

Favre wants to win.....and he must have figured TT wasn't going to set up the team to win before he was done. It looks like he may have been right.

I think there might be a lot of truth to this. And Partial, I don't think it paints him in a negative way.

Favre knew he was reaching the end of his playing career. Thompson is known for building a team through the draft...which takes time.

Look at the emotional retirement press conference. That wasn't fake. I think Favre probably really, really struggled with this. Perhaps he knew he wanted to continue to play, but deep down knew the clock was ticking and what he wanted was not going to happen in GB. The emotions - he loved GB and the Packer fans. It would be hard to walk away from that. Sometimes a person has to do what's right for them personally, even though it may not be what others would like. I just don't see how people can fault him for that. No matter how big of a fan people think they are, they have no right to believe they can dictate what these players do. Once the negativity of the split started, it snowballed and got out of control. That's the sad part.

I don't buy that. If that were true he should have just told the truth instead of creating the Summer of 08 Freak Show Extrodinairre. If it's true, he tried to blame Ted for the trade instead of taking responsibility for his own desire to leave.

[Scott Campbell]

And if its true, one side lied a lot. And the other side told the truth.

You may not like Ted's philosophy as a GM, but this should put doubts about his character to rest once and for all.

[woodbuck27]

It's starting to come out that Favre wanted out. That doesn't paint him in a very positive light.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...cast-guys.html

Cowboy Troy has said all along that Brett wanted out after TT showed up.....I won't argue with that.

Favre wants to win.....and he must have figured TT wasn't going to set up the team to win before he was done. It looks like he may have been right.

I think there might be a lot of truth to this. And Partial, I don't think it paints him in a negative way.

Favre knew he was reaching the end of his playing career. Thompson is known for building a team through the draft...which takes time.

Look at the emotional retirement press conference. That wasn't fake. I think Favre probably really, really struggled with this. Perhaps he knew he wanted to continue to play, but deep down knew the clock was ticking and what he wanted was not going to happen in GB. The emotions - he loved GB and the Packer fans. It would be hard to walk away from that. Sometimes a person has to do what's right for them personally, even though it may not be what others would like. I just don't see how people can fault him for that. No matter how big of a fan people think they are, they have no right to believe they can dictate what these players do. Once the negativity of the split started, it snowballed and got out of control. That's the sad part.

I don't buy that. If that were true he should have just told the truth instead of creating the Summer of 08 Freak Show Extrodinairre. If it's true, he tried to blame Ted for the trade instead of taking responsibility for his own desire to leave.

When this Brett Favre and Packers divorce began I believe that Favre didn't know what he wanted. It was obvious that there had to be issues between Favre and TT. They are off two different cobbs.

So TT had his way and his team. Favre was out. Favre didn't want to be a Viking. It just came to that.

[green_bowl_packer]

It's starting to come out that Favre wanted out. That doesn't paint him in a very positive light.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...cast-guys.html

Cowboy Troy has said all along that Brett wanted out after TT showed up.....I won't argue with that.

Favre wants to win.....and he must have figured TT wasn't going to set up the team to win before he was done. It looks like he may have been right.

Im starting to believe this too.

Only 2 questions I have are

1)Wouldnt it make more sense for him to reture in 05, or 06?

2) Why would he ask to return to the Packers in the summer of 08? Perhaps he thought they would say no, when they really said "yes come on back" ?

05 and 06, he still had all the records in front of him yet to attain.

All the flip/flops regarding retirement I'm now starting to think were just threats to have the roster loaded up with vets or players he wanted for the following year, because he's not the type of player to come flat out in the media and say it (did he have family members blurt anything? can't remember). Rumor was he flipped out and threatened retirement the day the Moss trade fell through, and announced his retirement the day after Moss resigned with the Patriots. So it adds up.

He probably was getting lip service from TT. Remember that they would never call it rebuilding? He was all they had in those years and he knew it, so he could get away with it for a while - Craig Nall, TJ O'Sullivan, and Ingle Martin behind him before ARod and even in Arods first year or two where he looked sketchy this would/could of worked, but TT never caved. As ARod developed into what he is today that grip he had disappeared.

[Scott Campbell]

When this Brett Favre and Packers divorce began I believe that Favre didn't know what he wanted.

Then he lied to you. He said he wanted to play for the Packers. The whole Family Night thing was a heavily choreographed publicity stunt if he didn't know what he wanted. He lied.


I think he knew exactly what he wanted. He wanted Chilly to shuttle him from the airport and cater to his every whim.

[green_bowl_packer]

This is more for the Fredo picture than the article about fan reaction yesterday - picture alone wasn't posting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Packers-fans-compare-Brett-Favre-to-Fredo-Judas;_ylt=At6qLvWy8vDvGOi0v.NKMahDubYF?urn=nfl,199456

[Deputy Nutz]

Honestly who gives a shit? I understand that is going to be a yearly debate for the next 50 years of Packer football, but the bottom line, is Favre no longer plays for the Packers, he is a Viking.

If you are a Packer fan you root for the Packers, Favre said it himself. Favre will always be remembered for his 16 years in Green Bay and one year in Minnesota shouldn't change the impact that he made on the Green Bay Packers.

Go a head and be bitter all you want. I don't think he cares. I will tell you this either Favre is a really good actor, or the impact of not playing in the Green and Gold got to him when he was tending to Greg Jennings on the sideline. I know Scott Campbell will take his shot at this, but regardless of the critizism of Favre as a bad teammate that the media ran with the last year or so, he did and still cares about his former teammates in Green Bay.

Eventually there will be another tell all book written by Favre, it will be interesting, but again there are three sides to every story, Favre's side, The Packers' side, and the truth. They are both to blame. The reason why I like Rodgers was that through the whole thing he stayed neutral. I am sure he was pissed that Favre wanted to come back and take his job back as a starter, but he never cracked once in the media, and he was open to a competition.

[Scott Campbell]

Honestly who gives a shit?

People who don't enable liars.

[Deputy Nutz]

Honestly who gives a shit?

People who don't enable liars.

Fuck you.

[packerbacker1234]

We'll never know the truth from either side on this fallout. It's all 100% media and fan driven rumors and guesses. I am happy with AR as is, he should be a stud a year or two from now, and is a pretty good QB right now.

However, he isn't Favre. He shouldn't be compared to Favre. But he will be. There are things that Favre does better then Rodgers even at 40, and things Rodgers can do better then Favre. Unfortunately, the things favre can do better are more inept to winning games. Rodgers can run well and throw a good Deep ball. You need more then that to win games.

Slow decision making and late reads are hurting him, and this offense. He had 3 TD's yesterday, which is some pretty solid stats. #4 had 4 and 38 points. It's not all on Rodgers, but I can think of two drives in the first half that were going well till rodgers took a sack and never made a decision on a 4 yard and a 6 yard pass play to get a first on 3rd down.

I like AR. I have high hopes he will be a top 3 QB in the league and not just a stat machine who deosn't get all the W's - but at this point in the season it's not really even fair. Favre has been better then Rodgers this year, and there is no real debate about that.

[retailguy]

It's starting to come out that Favre wanted out. That doesn't paint him in a very positive light.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...cast-guys.html

Cowboy Troy has said all along that Brett wanted out after TT showed up.....I won't argue with that.

Favre wants to win.....and he must have figured TT wasn't going to set up the team to win before he was done. It looks like he may have been right.

I think there might be a lot of truth to this. And Partial, I don't think it paints him in a negative way.

Favre knew he was reaching the end of his playing career. Thompson is known for building a team through the draft...which takes time.

Look at the emotional retirement press conference. That wasn't fake. I think Favre probably really, really struggled with this. Perhaps he knew he wanted to continue to play, but deep down knew the clock was ticking and what he wanted was not going to happen in GB. The emotions - he loved GB and the Packer fans. It would be hard to walk away from that. Sometimes a person has to do what's right for them personally, even though it may not be what others would like. I just don't see how people can fault him for that. No matter how big of a fan people think they are, they have no right to believe they can dictate what these players do. Once the negativity of the split started, it snowballed and got out of control. That's the sad part.

I don't buy that. If that were true he should have just told the truth instead of creating the Summer of 08 Freak Show Extrodinairre. If it's true, he tried to blame Ted for the trade instead of taking responsibility for his own desire to leave.

I buy all of this, and I don't believe that it speaks well of Favre at all. Irv is rolling over in his grave... When he died, the "real" Brett came out. Before that, Irv would've kicked his ass over all this crap, and probably routinely did...

[mmmdk]

Congratulations Viking fans. You got your win today. Enjoy.

Not Viking fans, "Favre fans"
When Favre gets his ring and retires and TT is shitcanned, then we'll all be one big happy family again!

I'll drink to that.

What we saw yesterday is the real beginning of the Ted Thompson exit. I hope I'm not the first or the only Packer fan on this board who truly believes that will be the result for Ted Thompson when it's all said and done. It's not anything in particular of focus on the Brett Favre affair ( Favre is far better off away from Ted Thompson ). Rather it's more of what he gives to the team overall that will be his demise in Green Bay.

It's more than just a gut feeling I've always had about this man. That as Packer fans we need more from a GM than TT will ever allow himself to bring to the table.

GO PACKERS!

Let me get you a drink....

[mmmdk]

It's starting to come out that Favre wanted out. That doesn't paint him in a very positive light.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...cast-guys.html

Cowboy Troy has said all along that Brett wanted out after TT showed up.....I won't argue with that.

Favre wants to win.....and he must have figured TT wasn't going to set up the team to win before he was done. It looks like he may have been right.

I think there might be a lot of truth to this. And Partial, I don't think it paints him in a negative way.

Favre knew he was reaching the end of his playing career. Thompson is known for building a team through the draft...which takes time.

Look at the emotional retirement press conference. That wasn't fake. I think Favre probably really, really struggled with this. Perhaps he knew he wanted to continue to play, but deep down knew the clock was ticking and what he wanted was not going to happen in GB. The emotions - he loved GB and the Packer fans. It would be hard to walk away from that. Sometimes a person has to do what's right for them personally, even though it may not be what others would like. I just don't see how people can fault him for that. No matter how big of a fan people think they are, they have no right to believe they can dictate what these players do. Once the negativity of the split started, it snowballed and got out of control. That's the sad part.

This is old; your views are well documented.

I'm not blaming Favre much anymore; he is what he is. A prick but a damn good NFL quaterback. I don't see Favre as evil just not honest about the whole affair. Neither is TT.

The Packers lost a game yesterday but the fans won big time in my book; they showed love for their team. Favre got booed but it wasn't crazy hate towards Brett. It wasn't FC Barca crazy - though I love those faithful fans.

I'm actually happy with the Lambeau game vs Vikes yesterday except for the loss...and that dead beat McCoach.

[esoxx]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainman in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).