OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[mraynrand]

I think the Favre persona got so big in Green Bay that he (mostly understandable) thought he was bigger than the team in some respects. Plus, he got tired of the off season drag. I think he expected that Green Bay would always give him a free pass and he was wrong. That's Thompson's and McCarthy's call, right or wrong. Plus, I think he really bought into the Thompson wasn't going to do anything to help him win right now deal. That much should be obvious from what Favre said. I think he looked over at Minnesota and saw a place with familiar people, playing a familiar offense, in a warm facility, who would pick him up at the airport (treat him as he had become accustomed in GB), without having to go through all the rigamarole of the offseason and training camp. Why not go for that? I think he went prima donna divaish, but not much more than should be expected for a guy with all the adoration that he got from family etc. I think there is a lot of genuine good old country boy in there, but there's some bad stuff too.

Bottom line for me is that he's a Viking QB. I've been a Packer fan since 1974 and I will NEVER EVER cheer for a Viking QB NO MATTER WHO HE IS or WHAT HE DID for Green Bay. I hope the Vikings lose all the rest of their games and I hope Favre gets pummeled (because that will help them lose). I hope he doesn't get permanently hurt though.

[Bretsky]

Favre is evil; Favre is the Devil. Should feel much worse for those who believe that after the devil waxed us twice

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

[Deputy Nutz]

Packers got waxed by a 40 year old qb, that doesn't go to OTAs, Mini Camps, and part of Training Camp. I forgot to mention that he was been retired for most of the past two years.

[esoxx]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

And who the hell is "rainmain?" :P

[mraynrand]

Packers got waxed by a 40 year old qb, that doesn't go to OTAs, Mini Camps, and part of Training Camp. I forgot to mention that he was been retired for most of the past two years.

He's pretty good, isn't he? Might make the Hall of Fame. But even you must realize he wasn't the only talented football player in a Viking uni.

[Scott Campbell]

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

Cook did it to TEN. He did it to DEN. And he did it to GB. Were not the only organization to get played by that scumbag. We are the only one that hired Ari, and took control of the situation. And Ted sent him to NY for a year, and got a 3rd round pick. Not too shabby.

[Bossman641]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

And who the hell is "rainmain?" :P

I'm not sure they schooled the Packers at all. I highly doubt Favre wanted to throw away his goodwill with fans the way he did. I'm guessing they were hoping TT/MM would say they didn't want him back. Then they could play the "poor old Favre just wanting to play football" card, gain the public's empathy, and make the organization look bad.

They outmaneuvered the Jets

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

And who the hell is "rainmain?" :P

GB media wise is a soft org. They dont' fact the intense media scrutiny of NY or Philly.

Bus is another in a line of "just a simple country loy yuh."

[mraynrand]

I'm not much of a conspiracy theory guy, but here's a good one for you: Favre never had a shoulder injury and never had surgery! Show us the scar! LOL.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

And who the hell is "rainmain?" :P

I'm not sure they schooled the Packers at all. I highly doubt Favre wanted to throw away his goodwill with fans the way he did. I'm guessing they were hoping TT/MM would say they didn't want him back. Then they could play the "poor old Favre just wanting to play football" card, gain the public's empathy, and make the organization look bad.

They outmaneuvered the Jets

If they werent' getting schooled, they wouldn't have brought in Ari.

Bert might not have wanted to lose his goodwill, but he lost it went Ari came in and the pack got on point and on message.

Until then the public was solidly on Bert's side.

[Bossman641]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

And who the hell is "rainmain?" :P

I'm not sure they schooled the Packers at all. I highly doubt Favre wanted to throw away his goodwill with fans the way he did. I'm guessing they were hoping TT/MM would say they didn't want him back. Then they could play the "poor old Favre just wanting to play football" card, gain the public's empathy, and make the organization look bad.

They outmaneuvered the Jets

If they werent' getting schooled, they wouldn't have brought in Ari.

Bert might not have wanted to lose his goodwill, but he lost it went Ari came in and the pack got on point and on message.

Until then the public was solidly on Bert's side.

Sorry. In the end he certainly didn't school the Packers is what I meant. He had the tide at first, but it turned around.

[denverYooper]

However, he isn't Favre. He shouldn't be compared to Favre. But he will be. There are things that Favre does better then Rodgers even at 40, and things Rodgers can do better then Favre. Unfortunately, the things favre can do better are more inept to winning games. Rodgers can run well and throw a good Deep ball. You need more then that to win games.

Do you know what inept means?

Usually I can figure out the word someone was trying to use and just gloss over it because I know that language is fairly organic. But in this case I'm really curious to know what adjective you were going for because I don't think inept is it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

And who the hell is "rainmain?" :P

I'm not sure they schooled the Packers at all. I highly doubt Favre wanted to throw away his goodwill with fans the way he did. I'm guessing they were hoping TT/MM would say they didn't want him back. Then they could play the "poor old Favre just wanting to play football" card, gain the public's empathy, and make the organization look bad.

They outmaneuvered the Jets

If they werent' getting schooled, they wouldn't have brought in Ari.

Bert might not have wanted to lose his goodwill, but he lost it went Ari came in and the pack got on point and on message.

Until then the public was solidly on Bert's side.

Sorry. In the end he certainly didn't school the Packers is what I meant. He had the tide at first, but it turned around.

Which is EXACTLY what i said. Did you not read this:

"Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up."

You are agreeing with me.

They were schooling the pack. It took bringing in the Death Star to save them. That says it all about their intelligence. And, THAT was the issue Esoxx and i were talking about.

[Bossman641]

So is Favre a good ol' boy, aw shucks, hillbilly, boneheaded Country Bumpkin'....or is he really a shrewd, calculating, genius that is so far ahead of everyone else he's able to outmaneuver others years ahead of time. Kind of like a Rainmain in cleats?

I think he's somewhere in between. He's a lot smarter on the football field than given credit but also a goofball who's basically a 40 y/o teenager. I think he flies by the seat of his pants and much like a teenager does things impulsively, then seems to be remorseful for his actions and overly emotional (can you tell I have a teenager?).

Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up.

I think that pretty much answers your question.

Frankly, if the Favre/Cook combo was schooling an entire organization, I don't have much faith in the braintrust running the show.

And who the hell is "rainmain?" :P

I'm not sure they schooled the Packers at all. I highly doubt Favre wanted to throw away his goodwill with fans the way he did. I'm guessing they were hoping TT/MM would say they didn't want him back. Then they could play the "poor old Favre just wanting to play football" card, gain the public's empathy, and make the organization look bad.

They outmaneuvered the Jets

If they werent' getting schooled, they wouldn't have brought in Ari.

Bert might not have wanted to lose his goodwill, but he lost it went Ari came in and the pack got on point and on message.

Until then the public was solidly on Bert's side.

Sorry. In the end he certainly didn't school the Packers is what I meant. He had the tide at first, but it turned around.

Which is EXACTLY what i said. Did you not read this:

"Favre and Bus Cook together were schooling the pack org and their PR department. It took bringing in Ari Fleisher from the Death Star to even things up."

You are agreeing with me.

They were schooling the pack. It took bringing in the Death Star to save them. That says it all about their intelligence. And, THAT was the issue Esoxx and i were talking about.

Gotcha. Need to read more carefully. Thought you were talking about them getting school as the end result, not the fact that at one point they were getting schooled.