OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[MOBB DEEP]

For all of the stats he racked up as a Packer, I never felt he was as good of a QB as he could have been. This year, as a Viking, might be his best.

I think this is the core issue of why I was/am so pissed at him about the whole situation. I feel he didn't care enough to put 100% in until he was playing for a bitter rival.

Even though u jumped ship on our boy you continue to express similar thoughts to mine

Good post Patler.

Madtown can attest to the fact that I used to be the BIGGEST bert basher over at JSO; explaining that you're toughest on the one's you love. We debated fiercly about favre's boneheaded plays; I couldnt understand why, with all his skills and intangibles, he committed SO many errors

Now, is it possilble that revenge motivated him to finally become more cerebral? Quite possibly as we ALL know it can be a great motivator, like a woman scorned, right 007?

I wrote a LONG post yesterday that i wasnt able to submit because I hadnt refreshed the whatchamacallit in time.... ....while i was my usual preachy self I also included some things even those with hardend hearts could appreciate. I will try to summon up the desire to rewrite it this weekend

In essence, Im still not satisfied with the rationale that packer "nation" has used for their disdain for Bretty

I asked if someone, without evil words or "intent," can at long last explain why favre is such a villain in ur minds. arrogant like at least 75% of pro athletes and millionaires? spoiled by the way WE treat him and other sports figures? Selfish, like everyone but Jesus? i KNOW im a wretch undone so i TRY not to place standards on others

Its HARD but we should not judge others by standards we dont, or even attempt to, live up to ourselves. who here WOULDNT do what lane kiffin did, improve his career. All the backlash he's experiencing from the Vols fans who will graduate and fall right in line with the go-for-self mentality of upwardly mobil ppl in the USA...would they cry for him if he was fired?? Hate the game not the player...harsh reality in this fallen world

who here HASNT done worse things than bart when no one's watching? to me his whoring on deanna is MUCH worse than anything he's done to packer "nation!" but i bet some of you wish u coulda been with the hotties in the hot tubs instead of chewy regardless if u're married. who here doesnt have at least a lil envy about those bombshells Tiger swings with?

But how dare bretty want to play for a contender, make millions, prove he still has it, and do what he knows best while still young in life! Some here might care more about the Pack (ppl they will NEVER come into contact with)than they do their fam members or their ailing neighbor. Not judging because I fall short in MANY areas. jus sayn....perspective is needed about ENTERTAINMENT!

Ask yourSELF though, because it's REAL easy to pontificate on a forum about another's bad deeds and feign moralism

Darnit, I digressed again! I know this isnt the forum for real talk but hard to seprate my faith from anything I do rather good or bad, business or ENTERTAINMENT

Basically, what standards did you place on favre that he didnt live up to that has you hating him? he's a mere man; girlie man at that with all those darn mood swings and emotional pressers..."i just dont know if i want to"

[MichiganPackerFan]

Nice post there Mobb!!

[ThunderDan]

Nice post Mobb. I truely mean it and am not being sarcastic.

I started to write a response to point out the other side but it has been done so many times I just stopped and deleted what I was writing.

And I know I have never done anything like BF in my life. I didn't want to be in the hottub with Chewy and as much fun as sleeping with 14 different women would be like TW I am very happy with my life being married.

[Gunakor]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

[CaptainKickass]

Seems like a good time to hoist up the 'ol middle finger and wave it in the general direction of Minnesota, Favre & the Vikings.

Nothing in football would please me more than to see GrandFavre and the Vikes choke it up on Sunday like every other Viking playoff team.

And I absolutely hate Dallas.

[Patler]

Mobb;

I don't hate Favre, but then again I never loved the man either. (Lets forget the whole, "love all of mankind" discussion. You know that's not what I am talking about.). I have always had a stronger personal feeling for the organization, what it has accomplished and what it provides the state, than I have ever had for any individual player on the team. Once they are gone, they don't mean much to me. The team entertains me as much in its operations during the off season as the players do on the field during the season.

Favre was always just an entertainer for me, one that I came to mistrust in big situations the last half of his career in GB. I was very vocal about it throughout the Sherman years. Basically, I was one who was of the opinion that Favre manipulated Sherman more than Sherman controlled Favre.

I have written for the last two years that I believed Favre was scheming to get out of Green Bay since right after McCarthy arrived. His attitude toward Thompson changed after Sherman was fired and McCarthy arrived. Favre's actions began separating from his words. He had a new goal.

I have always suspected that much of the off-season melodramas each year, which were set-up by Favre with comments during the season, were just an act, intended to garner sympathy, play on fans' emotions, gain leverage with the team. When it backfired on him two years ago, from what I observed I formed an opinion that he became vindictive, deceitful and untrustworthy in negotiations. Without knowing him, I began to dislike him because he appeared untrustworthy to me. He is the exact type of individual I would never chose to enter into a business relationship with.

As for envying the pro athletes' lifestyles? Not me. Not ever. I will confess to frailties of man and having coveted their financial where with all, but never the women, never the meaningless possessions, never the late nights partying. Particularly with respect to women, I was not that way before I was married and it has never crossed my mind since I married at age 22. I can't understand what drives a single man to that lifestyle, and I understand it even less for Tiger Woods, Mark Chmura or my married neighbor down the street.

So, envy the pro athletes? Not hardly.

[packerbacker1234]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

[Patler]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

To be honest, not being there, it is hard to know anything for sure. I look at keys, such as Favre standing by and chatting with Thompson often the first year, often referring to "Ted", etc. A year or two later he often said "the team" "the front office", "management" or similar terms when referring to Thompson. When I noticed he referred to "Ted" less often, I suspected a differing relationship. This followed his open lobbying for Sherman to be kept, and his veiled threat the last month of Sherman's last season that he (Favre) didn't want to and might not be willing to play for a new coach at that stage of his career.

TT got the Packers to the NFC Championship game in his third year. That's when Favre jumped ship. The last few trips to the playoffs under Sherman they got in almost by default due to a weak NFC North. They were never really considered a strong competitor in the playoffs, and Favre should have realized that. He didn't give TT much of a chance, he butted heads with him, even after TT's way showed success.

I don't buy the comparison to NE. What significant offensive help did NE bringing in in 2005-07 other than Moss, who TT tried hard to get as well? I'm really asking, I don't recall any, but may have forgotten.

[Bossman641]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

To be honest, not being there, it is hard to know anything for sure. I look at keys, such as Favre standing by and chatting with Thompson often the first year, often referring to "Ted", etc. A year or two later he often said "the team" "the front office", "management" or similar terms when referring to Thompson. When I noticed he referred to "Ted" less often, I suspected a differing relationship. This followed his open lobbying for Sherman to be kept, and his veiled threat the last month of Sherman's last season that he (Favre) didn't want to and might not be willing to play for a new coach at that stage of his career.

TT got the Packers to the NFC Championship game in his third year. That's when Favre jumped ship. The last few trips to the playoffs under Sherman they got in almost by default due to a weak NFC North. They were never really considered a strong competitor in the playoffs, and Favre should have realized that. He didn't give TT much of a chance, he butted heads with him, even after TT's way showed success.

I don't buy the comparison to NE. What significant offensive help did NE bringing in in 2005-07 other than Moss, who TT tried hard to get as well? I'm really asking, I don't recall any, but may have forgotten.

Patriots brought in Moss, Welker, and Gaffney all in the same offseason - dramatically improving their WR corps. Honestly, hearing that complaint bugs me though. Prior to 2007 Brady had about the sorriest group of WR around.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

It is funny coming back and watching others smack you down.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I loved watching Favre play as a Packer and will continue to enjoy watching him play. Call it what you want. What he did at age 40 is pretty incredible. Hope he catches another ring. Wouldn't matter to me who he is playing for.

107.2 passer rating - highest of his career (previous best 99.5 in '95)
7 interceptions - fewest of his career as a starter (previous low 13 in '96)
33 TD passes - most since '97 (had 38, 39, 35 in '95, '96, '97)
68.4% completion percentage - highest of his career (previous best 66.5% in '07)
4202 passing yds/262.6 ypg - 3rd best of career (4413/275.8 in '95, 4412/263.3 in '98)
7.9 yards per pass attempt - highest of his career (previous best 7.8 in '07)
9 total turnovers (INTs + fumbles lost) - fewest of career (previous low 17 in '94, '95, & '96)

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though

LOL...Ty's so transparent! Patler pretty much said the same thing as TY but notice the different "tone" and thoughtful approach, thus intent

U are smart Bossy so i KNOW you see the difference

It's NO big to me though so I should stay out of it; i continue to think Ty is funny and this forum, afterall, is ENTERTAINMENT

Ty had no intent..other than to post what Ty thinks.

Bert pisses Ty off..that ain't stirring the pot.

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Patler]

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though

LOL...Ty's so transparent! Patler pretty much said the same thing as TY but notice the different "tone" and thoughtful approach, thus intent

U are smart Bossy so i KNOW you see the difference

It's NO big to me though so I should stay out of it; i continue to think Ty is funny and this forum, afterall, is ENTERTAINMENT

Ty had no intent..other than to post what Ty thinks.

Bert pisses Ty off..that ain't stirring the pot.

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Does that mean I'm on my way?!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

To be fair, Favre was only with Thompson for 1 year before MM arrived. Hard to really tell what his attitude was towards TT in the first year on a team that had been consistently making the playoffs.

I can somewhat understand his frustration, since TT kept building through the draft and not trying to get any FA offensive help, while he got to watch Tom Brady get any weapon he wants.

Had to be hard to watch, at the later stage of a career, as the team seems to be building to win a few years down the road, instead of right now.

That is a rewriting of history. Excluding the 4-12 season, Bert enjoyed success with TT. 8-8 and then 13-3.

And, we did get FA help..or don't you count Pickett, Woodson, etc. as help.

[Scott Campbell]

I still feel he will always be a Packer at heart. When all is said and done no matter what happens, I think his fondest memories will be of the years he played with the Pack and support he had from the Packer fans.

I'm not so sure about that. If he wins a Superbowl this year, he might remember his Grand Finale and sticking it to his nemesis more than anything else.

[MJZiggy]

I agree with Patler's assessment. Remember it was over this particular period that Favre went from being a "Packer for Life" to forcing his way to arguably our biggest rival--intently. It HAD to be the Vikings. Why not the Saints or Cards?

And I share Ty's irritation that he couldn't be reigned in for the Packers, nor for the Jets, but the minute he's playing against us, he plays the best he's ever played. Why weren't we worth that kind of discipline and effort?

The other problem that I have at the moment is arrogance. I hate Belichick's arrogance and Jerry Jones and the whole Cowboy's aura (era) of arrogance. Favre's grit and determination has shifted. He's changed. He's not the Favre I loved having on my team.