OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Patler]

Really, no need to put a negative spin on things to feel better. It is what it is and I think if he had the choice he would have liked to end his career as a Packer. Maybe on his own terms.....which wasn't an option anymore, but I truly believe he would have like to retire.......ON TOP, as a Packer.

..or, alternatively from another perspective:

Really, no need to put a positive spin on things to feel better. It is what it is and I think if he had the choice he would have left Green Bay a year or two earlier than he did, for a team that ran a Sherman-like offense he was familiar with, like the Vikings. Maybe on his own terms.....which wasn't an option at that time, but I truly believe he simply was no longer happy in Green Bay under McCarthy and wanted to play a few more years somewhere else.


You see, that scenario doesn't make me angry, it doesn't make me happy. It simply fits what I observed to be facts (rightly or wrongly). It answers all of my questions.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Favre no longer being happy in, or fulfilled by Green Bay. There is nothing inherently wrong with him wanting to play for the Vikings (unless it was based only on spite). In the business world, long time employees often leave an employer that did well by them for decades. Sometimes they leave for a "hated" rival in the same field. My only issue is how they go about achieving that change. Sometimes employees have unexpired non-compete clauses which prevent them from doing what they really want to do. In effect, that's what Favre's contract was with the Packers. An unexpired non-compete contract for which he had been paid very, very well. I don't particularly respect how Favre went about getting what he wanted, getting out of the non-compete provisions.

To be honest, expressing that doesn't make me feel better, just the opposite, it makes me sort of sad.

[Scott Campbell]

It simply fits what I observed to be facts (rightly or wrongly). It answers all of my questions.

You and I perceive the events the same way - except I get a little more worked up about it when people try and portray Bert's move as Ted running him out of town. I think it was terrible the way he threw the organization under the bus. But I understand why he wanted to leave.

[gex]

Those of us that elect to remain civil and sane in how we approach the whole Brett Favre fiasco and in terms of our love for the game of football and the NFL as a whole will always be the winners.

I cannot write GO PACK GO for next weekend but I'll sure be pulling for the Vikings to defeat the Cowboys come 1 O'Clock Eastern this Sunday. No one can take that away from me.

I don't understand how anyone outside of Texas could root for the evil empire that is the Cowboys

[packerbacker1234]

Why is everyone so insistent that AP is having a bad year?

One could argue this is a great year for AP, especially with all the scoring he is doing.

Carries: 314 (still 300+, which is a lot) Yards: 1,383 (5th best in the NFL) TD: 18 (#1 in the nfl for RB) Rec: 43 (highest in career) Rec Yards: 436

Totals for 2007-2009

2007:

238 Carries, 19 Catches, 1589 Total Yards, 13 TD

2008:

363 Carries, 21 Catches, 1885 Total Yards, 10 TD

2009:

314 Carries, 43 Catches, 1819 Total Yards, 18 TD

Last I checked, AP was picked for the probowl, had almost 1400 yards rushing, and still posted 1800+ yards from scrimmage 2 years straight. He also produce 18 rushing TD's, which is beastly. So Favre's arrival as just needing to be a game manager changed because Adrian is having a down year? In what respect, less carries = less rushing yards? It also equals more catches to make up for it.

Also, the reason they became a pass first team is because favre has simply been that good this year, and it's been that way through most of his career (pass first). In retrospec, favre may be proloning Peterson's career. What do you what, 350+ carries and 1,700 yard seasons for 4 or 5 years, or 1,300 to 1,400 yard seasons, 300 carries, for 10? It's been a great year for AP, second only to last year except less fumbles (7) and way more TD's.

AP has had an astounding year. That is with Favre putting up the numbers he has.

[pbmax]

Why is everyone so insistent that AP is having a bad year?

One could argue this is a great year for AP, especially with all the scoring he is doing.

Carries: 314 (still 300+, which is a lot) Yards: 1,383 (5th best in the NFL) TD: 18 (#1 in the nfl for RB) Rec: 43 (highest in career) Rec Yards: 436

Totals for 2007-2009

2007:

238 Carries, 19 Catches, 1589 Total Yards, 13 TD

2008:

363 Carries, 21 Catches, 1885 Total Yards, 10 TD

2009:

314 Carries, 43 Catches, 1819 Total Yards, 18 TD

Last I checked, AP was picked for the probowl, had almost 1400 yards rushing, and still posted 1800+ yards from scrimmage 2 years straight. He also produce 18 rushing TD's, which is beastly. So Favre's arrival as just needing to be a game manager changed because Adrian is having a down year? In what respect, less carries = less rushing yards? It also equals more catches to make up for it.

Also, the reason they became a pass first team is because favre has simply been that good this year, and it's been that way through most of his career (pass first). In retrospec, favre may be proloning Peterson's career. What do you what, 350+ carries and 1,700 yard seasons for 4 or 5 years, or 1,300 to 1,400 yard seasons, 300 carries, for 10? It's been a great year for AP, second only to last year except less fumbles (7) and way more TD's.

AP has had an astounding year. That is with Favre putting up the numbers he has.

Because his average per carry is down and his O line this year is not run blocking as well as they have previously. Also, he is not the focus of the offense and therefore has fewer game changing highlight runs and more carries grinding out the clock.

[gex]

Why is everyone so insistent that AP is having a bad year?

One could argue this is a great year for AP, especially with all the scoring he is doing.

Carries: 314 (still 300+, which is a lot) Yards: 1,383 (5th best in the NFL) TD: 18 (#1 in the nfl for RB) Rec: 43 (highest in career) Rec Yards: 436

Totals for 2007-2009

2007:

238 Carries, 19 Catches, 1589 Total Yards, 13 TD

2008:

363 Carries, 21 Catches, 1885 Total Yards, 10 TD

2009:

314 Carries, 43 Catches, 1819 Total Yards, 18 TD

Last I checked, AP was picked for the probowl, had almost 1400 yards rushing, and still posted 1800+ yards from scrimmage 2 years straight. He also produce 18 rushing TD's, which is beastly. So Favre's arrival as just needing to be a game manager changed because Adrian is having a down year? In what respect, less carries = less rushing yards? It also equals more catches to make up for it.

Also, the reason they became a pass first team is because favre has simply been that good this year, and it's been that way through most of his career (pass first). In retrospec, favre may be proloning Peterson's career. What do you what, 350+ carries and 1,700 yard seasons for 4 or 5 years, or 1,300 to 1,400 yard seasons, 300 carries, for 10? It's been a great year for AP, second only to last year except less fumbles (7) and way more TD's.

AP has had an astounding year. That is with Favre putting up the numbers he has.

I do not think he is having a down year at all, maybe a little overshadowed, but your stats show that it is definitly not a down year for All Day.

[packerbacker1234]

4.4 ypc is lower then his previous 5+, but a lot of that is the fact they don't have to run it 60% of the time like last season. The more he ran it, the more he had chances to bust big runs. They were also a lower scoring team.

Overall, All Day has been very good this year, and surely responsible in part for the stats Favre has. The vikings are a threat in the air and on the ground. You start doubling WR's, they run it with AP. You stack the box and leave one on one, favre has been picking people apart.

Adrian Peterson and Favre are complementing eachother nicely. And yes, their OL doesn't seem to be as good as it was last year, for whatever reason that may be.

[ThunderDan]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

Bo Schembechler was scouting a player on our HS Football team and said he might be interested in a couple years to see me in maize and blue. I told him not to send the papers. Still have the pictures of Bo and me in a scrapbook.

Barry Alverez pissed me off so much last year that if my son when he gets old enough and plays football I would tell him to go to Mich, Ohio St or somewhere down South.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

Bo Schembechler was scouting a player on our HS Football team and said he might be interested in a couple years to see me in maize and blue. I told him not to send the papers. Still have the pictures of Bo and me in a scrapbook.

Barry Alverez pissed me off so much last year that if my son when he gets old enough and plays football I would tell him to go to Mich, Ohio St or somewhere down South.

The AD pissed you off so much? Over what?

[MOBB DEEP]

about and hour and 15 mins before kickoff

they say berts been REAL business like

95% of the so-called experts are pickn the girls

perhaps, minny will be like NO yesterday and remind folk of how they pretty much earned 1st round bye before hittn a rut in december

LETS GOOOOO.....!!!!

[denverYooper]

95% of the so-called experts are pickn the girls

Well that about seals it then. Might as well give the game to Minny now.

[denverYooper]

Schefter tweeted last night:

We are now 60 minutes away from a Starcaps NFC Championship Game.

[Scott Campbell]

I guess Warner doesn't want to be a diva:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/17/warner-says-retirement-wont-be-a-long-drawn-out-thing/

Kurt Warner isn't planning a Brett Favre-style retirement decision.

"I don't think it will be a long drawn-out thing. I wouldn't want to do that to an organization."





Remember when getting compared to Favre used to be a good thing?

[red]

come on cow pukes

i wanna see bert have one of his patented playoff games against the cowgirls

you remember those? where he shows up and chokes

i'd like to see a 6 pick game today

[MOBB DEEP]

95% of the so-called experts are pickn the girls

Well that about seals it then. Might as well give the game to Minny now.

so they may just be prisoners of the moment? giving dallas and romo a hard time last month and now are procaliming them best in nfl?