OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[esoxx]

It HAD to be the Vikings. Why not the Saints or Cards?

Drew Brees and Kurt Warner?

[MOBB DEEP]

And I know I have never done anything like BF in my life. I didn't want to be in the hottub with Chewy and as much fun as sleeping with 14 different women would be like TW I am very happy with my life being married.

Are u serious??

good for you bro

even today nearing my 40s i have brief desires to have any woman I want in spite of the fact that i have a REAL Queen in my life; even married ones or ppl's mothers. thats MY struggle; lust of the eyes and flesh

just imagine being able to do and have whatever u want! granted it leads only to temp satisfaction and not fulfilment of the soul but how many things do we do that fit that category anyway? e.g., buy a new car and a year later u want something "better"

im truly happy for you if you are completly content with wifey and dont fantasize about others. thats rare because as the book "Every man's battle" points out, its in our nature (not spirit) to lust - google the book men; its powerful and was the impetus for the small group i belong to at church. personally, i would NEVR cheat on wifey. but maybe (subconsciously)thats why im not married...hmmm....

Mj, hard for me to take the position that it "had" to be a rival when he emphatically said he wanted to compete in packers camp that year. feel me? vikes and any other team was his SECOND choice

NO WAY im gonna sit here and say i would never have done what brett or kiffin did career-wise. im happy to be gainfully employed but they have options i wouldnt mind having

good posts and discussion all, especially Patler....i remember you sayn some things just didnt know how strongly u felt

all i desire is a civil talk about this...lets not let some hicks decison have us flaming each other. WE had no control. only he and packer brass did

[MJZiggy]

Mj, hard for me to take the position that it "had" to be a rival when he emphatically said he wanted to compete in packers camp that year. feel me? vikes and any other team was his SECOND choice


all i desire is a civil talk about this...lets not let some hicks decison have us flaming each other. WE had no control. only he and packer brass did

Think back a bit and remember the problem with him competing in camp. As I recall the offer to compete was there but there was a small glitch with it...

[Cheesehead Craig]

Go Tony Romo of Burlington, Wisconsin!!

I'll root for my hometown boy!

[LEWCWA]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

[Administrator]

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

didn't you tell everybody that there was no hell?

[GrnBay007]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

Not only that, but people here are looking at it from a fan perspective only. That's much different from the business side of things. AND.....a reminder to all, there are only 2 or 3 people that know exactly how things went down back then. Everyone would like their idea of how it went down to be the right one, but really, we don't know and probably never will. It's just time to accept it and move on. Really, no need to put a negative spin on things to feel better. It is what it is and I think if he had the choice he would have liked to end his career as a Packer. Maybe on his own terms.....which wasn't an option anymore, but I truly believe he would have like to retire.......ON TOP, as a Packer.

[Gunakor]

Fine post other than the whole "Don't judge him for doing things we'd do ourselves" line. I'd never ever become a Viking, no matter how much they paid me or how good they are. There's some lines you just don't cross.

I call BS! maybe not a Vike fan, but if they knocked on your door with a contract you'd be purple in a second.

No fucking way. Look, they play in one of the worst venues in all of sport in front of one of the worst fan bases in all of sport. They do it all wearing purple. And above all else, they are the enemy. Fuck that noise. Maybe you don't understand, and that's fine.

[GrnBay007]

Back to the question of why his numbers were not that good as a Packer....seriously, who knows? I don't buy the answer that quit trying for the Packers. Maybe getting so close to the SB in 2007 made a big impact on him. Maybe MM saying they are moving on made a big impact on him. There were a lot of years with the Packers it appeared he felt he needed (and he did) to put the team on his back and carry them. Maybe getting chased by a team that told him all he needed to do was manage the game felt right....at his age...who were good and appeared to be a step away from the SB. Granted it didn't actually work out that way because AP didn't do as well this year.........but really WE don't know why. It just sucks reading that people actually think BF wasn't putting forth his best effort as a Packer. Maybe it wasn't really his best effort....but maybe the best effort he was able to at that time, with the players there and the relationship with the bosses.

[Gunakor]

I think he had a little extra fuel for his effort this year than he's ever had before. He finally got what he wanted. Where he wanted. If he fails, then what was all of this about for him in the first place? It's more than winning for him now. It's being right. It's knowing he made the right decision. He didn't have that powerful motivator as a Packer, and it's benefits are evident this year.

[GrnBay007]

He finally got what he wanted. Where he wanted.

I don't agree with that if you mean he had been planning this for some time. Things fell into place, IMO.....after a bitter departure from the Pack.

It's more than winning for him now. It's being right. It's knowing he made the right decision.

This is the part I don't understand. What you said above is no more than human nature. It's the competitive nature, not only in sports but in the business world and could be with any of our chosen fields. I just don't understand hating someone for that.

[Gunakor]

He finally got what he wanted. Where he wanted.

I don't agree with that if you mean he had been planning this for some time. Things fell into place, IMO.....after a bitter departure from the Pack.

It's more than winning for him now. It's being right. It's knowing he made the right decision.

This is the part I don't understand. What you said above is no more than human nature. It's the competitive nature, not only in sports but in the business world and could be with any of our chosen fields. I just don't understand hating someone for that.

Having been planned or not is completely irrelevant. Do you dispute that he wanted to be a Viking even before the trade to the Jets? Even if it didn't work out the way he wanted, in the end he got exactly what he wanted. He's a Viking, just like he envisioned in the summer of 2008. Doesn't matter that everything didn't go according to plan.

I don't hate him for wanting to be right. I hate him because he's a goddamn Viking. I'm hoping like hell he's wrong. I never ever ever want to see those purple fucks to the west win OUR trophy. And it sickens me that one of OUR legends is trying to hand it to them. That is plenty enough reason to hate.

In any case, that was the answer to the question posed here. Why is it that Brett is playing the best football of his career this year? Why couldn't he do this for the Packers? Because it's about more than football to him now. It's about being right. That's bigger than football. Bigger than winning even. While he was a Packer he never had to prove himself right, he just had to go out and play football.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

didn't you tell everybody that there was no hell?

are you really that obtuse?

The expression works whether it is real or a metaphor. Jesus.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All those stats prove is that MM was right. Bert refused to do this with the pack.

Stubbornly, willfully, and deliberately refused to do what MM wanted.

Thanx Bert. Idiot.

As usual Ty has nothing constructive to add,but once again tries to stir the pot.

Really? You don't think it's constructive to discuss why he suddenly decided to actually take care of the ball and not throw stupid INT's? Or why after all the years of "I'm a gunslinger, just trying to make a play" he started listening to what the coaches wanted him to do?

Your post was real constructive though

LOL...Ty's so transparent! Patler pretty much said the same thing as TY but notice the different "tone" and thoughtful approach, thus intent

U are smart Bossy so i KNOW you see the difference

It's NO big to me though so I should stay out of it; i continue to think Ty is funny and this forum, afterall, is ENTERTAINMENT

Ty had no intent..other than to post what Ty thinks.

Bert pisses Ty off..that ain't stirring the pot.

P.S. Intentions don't matter. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Does that mean I'm on my way?!

This thread is hell. You are already in hell.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty wants to make sure all the favre lovers actually understand. Ty didn't say packers couldn't control Bert...MM only.

Bert clearly had the ability to protect the ball, and he was "reached" by Holmgren.

Look back at his int% under holmgren and it is good. But, after Holmgren left, his int % rose. Not until MM did we see a return of the semi careful Bert...that we last saw in 02.

But, even then, he never reached the 2.3/2.4 that we saw under Holmgren. QBs are suppose to learn and get more careful, not get worse as they get older.

4.8% in Shermy's last season, 4.2% under Mangini. Coincidence..right.