OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Scott Campbell]

Like I said, This is how history is gonna remember how it all went down...may be 10 years ..or more.. but after its all over he will be known in the history and record books as one of the greatest football players to ever play the game. People will tell stories of how the wily old coot would get outta camp year after year and still put up great seasons and great numbers (think of the Max Mcgee stories)
The legend will be strong.

Just like getting favred is now being used in our language as someone who is a traitor.

Or Kurt Warner isn't going to pull a Favre an unretire.

[Gunakor]

I don't think history will remember him as one of the greatest players to ever play the game. He'll be remembered for his durability, his sense of humor, and his reckless abandon. His unwillingness to conform to sound fundamentals. But he won't be remembered for being great when he absolutely had to be. The greatest players to ever play the game have risen up and met those challenges, overcame them and have rings to show for it. Favre's history is littered with a bunch of what if's and if only's. He has a better chance of going down in history for making boneheaded decisions in the post season that cost his teammates their dream of playing in a Super Bowl than he does for winning a shit ton of games in September and October. That's what I think.

[Joemailman]

Well I am glad to hear that this is finally going to be Favre's last year. That's what he said, right?

He'll be a free agent next year. What if the Packers aren't satisfied with Flynn as a backup? I'm not sayin' I'm just sayin'...

[ThunderDan]

Well I am glad to hear that this is finally going to be Favre's last year. That's what he said, right?

He'll be a free agent next year. What if the Packers aren't satisfied with Flynn as a backup? I'm not sayin' I'm just sayin'...

He does know our Offense pretty well since he is running pretty close to the same thing up in MN.

[mraynrand]

Like I said, This is how history is gonna remember how it all went down...may be 10 years ..or more..

Here's how Colt McCoy 'remembers' Favre already:

"You don't like to throw interceptions. But the one thing I admire about Brett Favre is the way he responds to those things. He shakes them off and keeps going."

When McCoy thinks of Interceptions, he thinks of Favre.

[Bossman641]

Like I said, This is how history is gonna remember how it all went down...may be 10 years ..or more.. but after its all over he will be known in the history and record books as one of the greatest football players to ever play the game. People will tell stories of how the wily old coot would get outta camp year after year and still put up great seasons and great numbers (think of the Max Mcgee stories)
The legend will be strong.

That's only how you and the rest of the Favre fanatics who enable this behavior will remember it. True Packer fans let Favre know how they felt about him last year, and the rest of the country grew tired of Favre's annual will he/won't he years ago.

[Fritz]

Well I am glad to hear that this is finally going to be Favre's last year. That's what he said, right?

He'll be a free agent next year. What if the Packers aren't satisfied with Flynn as a backup? I'm not sayin' I'm just sayin'...

He does know our Offense pretty well since he is running pretty close to the same thing up in MN.

Wouldn't he be due to land somewhere like Chicago...or Dallas?

[vince]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/15001/a-big-favor-from-brett-favre

A 'big favor' from Brett Favre

EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- The mission was clear, Jared Allen said of his trip to Mississippi this week with teammates Steve Hutchinson and Ryan Longwell.

"We needed a 'yes' or a 'no,'" Allen said. "One way or the other. We were starting to get along in this preseason and that was it."

The group carried a "message from the locker room," according to Hutchinson.

"It was clear cut," Hutchinson said. "It was cut and dried: 'We're down here to find out what you want to do. The guys on this team want you here. Everybody wants you here.' Basically that's what we told him."

Ultimately, Longwell said, "we asked him to do it for the guys."

And here, based on what he said Wednesday, is what quarterback Brett Favre heard:

"[They] were like, 'Hey, if you could do us one favor. And that's a pretty big favor.'"

Awesome.

Brilliant.

Just beautiful, really.

I mean this in all sincerity, with no malice and (almost no) sarcasm: Only Favre could manipulate that recruiting mission into a no-lose situation for himself. That's essentially the message Favre conveyed Wednesday during his return-to-Minnesota news conference. He will play not because of his reported $16.5 million salary, not for a chance to enhance his NFL records or to prove he can play at age 41.

This season is a "favor" for the players with whom he spent five months of his 20-year NFL career, an attempt to give it "one more try" to help them win a Super Bowl. Favre, in fact, used the word "favor" six times in 33 minutes. And if it doesn't work out? It was just a favor, anyway.

"I'm not here to set any records," Favre said. "People say, 'You can do this. And you can do this.' I say, 'I've done it all. There's nothing left for me to prove.' I'm here to have fun and help these guys win."

How charitable. We all know Favre is a Super Bowl quarterback and a future Hall of Famer. Who knew he was a world-class philanthropist as well?

Kidding aside, I consider Favre's interpretation of his mission to be precious insight into his psyche and a fascinating explanation for why he returned. The player on whom the Vikings are resting their Super Bowl hopes needed to convince himself that no result to this season would be a personal failure.

If that wasn't obvious from his comments Wednesday, consider the way Longwell described the final 30 minutes of the Mississippi visit. Prior to that point, Longwell said, all three teammates thought Favre's final decision would be to retire.

"He had given us, speaking from the heart, kind of a legit, 'This is why I'm where I'm at,' and we all felt that it was sound reasoning," Longwell said. "Finally in that last half hour we all kind of spilled our guts about, 'It's not about the touchdown passes and the wins and losses and stuff but would you do it just for the guys?

"'It elevates the whole locker room, elevates the whole community, the whole state, just you being there. Not even throwing passes, not even getting under center, just you being there. Would you do it for the guys?' He had said over the night and the day that the one thing he missed was the guys. That was the one thing, the common theme through everything and so we spilled our guts, we were sitting there in his jeep and he said, 'All right let's go do this.'"

I don't doubt that Favre enjoyed his time with the Vikings last season, and you could do a lot worse than teaming up with men like Longwell, Hutchinson and Allen. But with all due respect to them, what finally swayed Favre was an appeal to help by simply showing up. Anything he accomplished beyond that would be gravy.

The reality, as we all know, is that Favre represents the difference between the Vikings contending for the playoffs and for the Super Bowl. But what Favre himself needed to hear is that he would be an accessory, not the foundation. I found it a fascinating combination of bravado and insecurity, all rolled into one. You wouldn't have Brett Favre without both.

[digitaldean]

The 3 amigos going down to Mississippi to "ask" Favre to come back, leaves the impression they are begging him to come back so they don't have to use T-Jack or Sage.

All I have to say is, let's find a way to beat #4 fair and square.

The fitting coup de grâce...
Favre getting beat by another late game pick in the playoffs vs. the Packers AT Lambeau.

I will settle for a sub .500 season for the Queens and them missing the playoffs though

If the Packers play well enough to beat him in the playoffs, THEN we'll see if he REALLY makes this his last season.

[MJZiggy]

The 3 amigos going down to Mississippi to "ask" Favre to come back, leaves the impression they are begging him to come back so they don't have to use T-Jack or Sage.

All I have to say is, let's find a way to beat #4 fair and square.

The fitting coup de grâce...
Favre getting beat by another late game pick in the playoffs vs. the Packers AT Lambeau.

I will settle for a sub .500 season for the Queens and them missing the playoffs though

If the Packers play well enough to beat him in the playoffs, THEN we'll see if he REALLY makes this his last season.

Imagine how TJack and Sage feel about this--especially considering that Sage was brought in to start right before Favre got there...

[packerbacker1234]

I don't think history will remember him as one of the greatest players to ever play the game. He'll be remembered for his durability, his sense of humor, and his reckless abandon. His unwillingness to conform to sound fundamentals. But he won't be remembered for being great when he absolutely had to be. The greatest players to ever play the game have risen up and met those challenges, overcame them and have rings to show for it. Favre's history is littered with a bunch of what if's and if only's. He has a better chance of going down in history for making boneheaded decisions in the post season that cost his teammates their dream of playing in a Super Bowl than he does for winning a shit ton of games in September and October. That's what I think.

For a second there, I thought you were talking about Peyton Manning's legacy. 2 super bowls, one win (where notably, he played like shit), one loss (where on a must have drive late in the 4th, he throws not just a pick, but a pick 6 to seal the game for the saints), then a slew of playoff exits, usually do in part to his poor play. Manning has not been a very successful post season QB, much like Favre.

What I am saying is, he has a ring. There are A LOT of all-time greats out there that don't. Is Dan Marino not an all-time great QB because he doesn't have rings? When it's all said and done, he will be remembered as one of the greatest QB's to play the game, and possibility the most liked, hated, feared, and diva at the position to ever play.

He holds all the records, is the most durable QB to ever play the game, and as was stated, most importantly he has his ring. Yes it's one. Yes there should of been more. Yes, he is a better QB then he has shown in big time playoff losses, because he showed it in the 90's in big time playoff wins, and even last season against dallas, a preseason SB favorite this year, he lit them up in the playoffs last year. He was even playing alright against the saints, and just failed late... which is something we are all too familiar with.

However, you can't deny he is/was a great player, and was extremely exciting to watch. He may not be your pick for a QB in the playoffs, (please, like I want anyone other than Joe Montana in the playoffs, MAYBE Bart Starr, though I don't know how well he would hold up in todays league) but I do know he has been a lot of fun to watch.

20 seasons in the NFL. He has been there from the very first time I watched a game to now, and through it all, has been entertaining to watch. I wish him well, and for his legacies sake I almost want him to get that 2nd ring, but I will never, ever, cheer for the vikings to win a SB.

AR, Packers, Driver... Woodson... lets bring Lombardi back home this year.

[Merlin]

1) His presence alone causes players to perform better.

Especially opposing secondaries.

So, did Rodgers cost us our lone playoff game last year? I don't think he did but I want to know what you think.

Look at your comment above and think real hard before you answer...

If there is a typhoon in Indonesia, does it change the fact that Brett Favre lost 3 NFC Championship games and One Divisional game with unforced interceptions? Think real hard before you answer.

Depends who is answering the question. Is it a rational person or a Favre fanatic?

Whatever - say what you will. I am used to being called names, I am used to the hypocritical way the people here act, and I am used to people bashing me. Years ago it would bother me but one thing I have learned, some things just aren't worth it and this "argument" about some fanatasy you are living clearly is not.

Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave

[Bossman641]

1) His presence alone causes players to perform better.

Especially opposing secondaries.

So, did Rodgers cost us our lone playoff game last year? I don't think he did but I want to know what you think.

Look at your comment above and think real hard before you answer...

If there is a typhoon in Indonesia, does it change the fact that Brett Favre lost 3 NFC Championship games and One Divisional game with unforced interceptions? Think real hard before you answer.

Depends who is answering the question. Is it a rational person or a Favre fanatic?

Whatever - say what you will. I am used to being called names, I am used to the hypocritical way the people here act, and I am used to people bashing me. Years ago it would bother me but one thing I have learned, some things just aren't worth it and this "argument" about some fanatasy you are living clearly is not.

Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave

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[DannoMac21]

1) His presence alone causes players to perform better.

Especially opposing secondaries.

So, did Rodgers cost us our lone playoff game last year? I don't think he did but I want to know what you think.

Look at your comment above and think real hard before you answer...

If there is a typhoon in Indonesia, does it change the fact that Brett Favre lost 3 NFC Championship games and One Divisional game with unforced interceptions? Think real hard before you answer.

Depends who is answering the question. Is it a rational person or a Favre fanatic?

Whatever - say what you will. I am used to being called names, I am used to the hypocritical way the people here act, and I am used to people bashing me. Years ago it would bother me but one thing I have learned, some things just aren't worth it and this "argument" about some fanatasy you are living clearly is not.

Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave

Not sure if serious/sober

[Gunakor]

For a second there, I thought you were talking about Peyton Manning's legacy. 2 super bowls, one win (where notably, he played like shit), one loss (where on a must have drive late in the 4th, he throws not just a pick, but a pick 6 to seal the game for the saints), then a slew of playoff exits, usually do in part to his poor play. Manning has not been a very successful post season QB, much like Favre.

What I am saying is, he has a ring. There are A LOT of all-time greats out there that don't. Is Dan Marino not an all-time great QB because he doesn't have rings? When it's all said and done, he will be remembered as one of the greatest QB's to play the game, and possibility the most liked, hated, feared, and diva at the position to ever play.

He holds all the records, is the most durable QB to ever play the game, and as was stated, most importantly he has his ring. Yes it's one. Yes there should of been more. Yes, he is a better QB then he has shown in big time playoff losses, because he showed it in the 90's in big time playoff wins, and even last season against dallas, a preseason SB favorite this year, he lit them up in the playoffs last year. He was even playing alright against the saints, and just failed late... which is something we are all too familiar with.

However, you can't deny he is/was a great player, and was extremely exciting to watch. He may not be your pick for a QB in the playoffs, (please, like I want anyone other than Joe Montana in the playoffs, MAYBE Bart Starr, though I don't know how well he would hold up in todays league) but I do know he has been a lot of fun to watch.

20 seasons in the NFL. He has been there from the very first time I watched a game to now, and through it all, has been entertaining to watch. I wish him well, and for his legacies sake I almost want him to get that 2nd ring, but I will never, ever, cheer for the vikings to win a SB.

AR, Packers, Driver... Woodson... lets bring Lombardi back home this year.

I could have been talking about Manning's career as well. It's a very fair comparison IMO. Both big time quarterbacks from September through November/December, both big time chokers in January. Believe me, I'm no more a Manning fan than I am a Favre fan. For the same reasons. Neither has been at their very best when they absolutely had to be. Both men have been asked to carry their teams, and both men have let their teams down. That's an undeniable fact. Though, I find it oddly strange that there are some people out there that harp on Manning for his post season failures while at the same time giving Favre a free pass for his.

It's nice that Favre has his ring. Same for Manning. Both are too good to not have won one. Neither is so great that they necessarily deserve a second one. September through December is just a prelude to January. January is where it counts. Win and you advance, lose and your heart is broken. The greatest players to have played the game have made their mark in the post season, not just the regular season. Neither Favre nor Manning have been anything special in the post season by any stretch of the imagination. Both QB's will undoubtedly end up in the HOF, but neither IMO will be remembered as being of the greatest to have played this game.

You are absolutely right about the entertainment value though. Favre undoubtedly was and is one of the most fun to watch. But it's not just entertainment to me. It's a serious passion. It's an emotional investment. To me it's about wins and losses and championships, not feel good stories that end in disappointment. When Favre threw that OT pick in the '07 NFCCG, it ruined all the fun and excitment from that season. One play wasted an entire season of greatness. And that's just one example. It wasn't the first time that happened. It wasn't the last time that happened. For that reason I think history won't look as kindly on Favre as some would like to think he should be. I firmly believe that history will remember the whole story, not just the better half.