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[packers11]

This passes for journalism? Who the hell wrote this thing, Mobb Deep??

I've been misquoted.

[vince]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-seven-most-revealing-quotes-from-Favre-s-pre;_ylt=AndT3eqUnlonLGpCtF2YN6PSrYZ4?urn=nfl-263424

The seven most revealing quotes from Favre's press conference

By Chris Chase

Brett Favre sounded tired, and it was only his first day back on the job.
In his press conference on Wednesday afternoon in Minnesota, Favre sounded like a man whose decision to return to football was made for him. Whereas in the past three years there was always the underlying feeling that Favre's return to training camp was the end of a long ruse, this time felt different.

Shutdown Corner watched his return press conference and picked out the seven most revealing quotes about the motivation of his return:

7. "There's nothing left for me to prove. I'm here to have fun."
He constantly reiterated that he had nothing left to prove by returning to football, a self-fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one. That was a response to a question nobody asked. I don't think people have ever believed Favre has something to prove. Why the defense mechanism?

As for the "I'm here to have fun," line; did John Madden write this speech? The funny part is that Favre delivered the line without a trace of humor or irony. It was just one of a dozen or so lines that suggest he has little sense of self-awareness about his "Hamlet in a helmet" routine.

6. "I was even amazed [at how I played last year]. To think that I could surpass that this year? First of all, I don't need to. Because as well as I've played, by far the best I've ever played in my career, it wasn't enough ... Part of me said, it was such a great year, it would be easy to say, you can't play any better, why even try?"

Favres' presser was a lesson in expectation management 101. Whether it's because he believes he won't be as good as last year or because he wants to cover himself in case he's not doesn't matter.

5. "My wife always says I look at things negatively more than I should."
One gets the impression that Deanna wasn't as on board with this decision as she has been in the past. Favre also mentioned that his family will be happy when he finally stops playing.

4. "No one is deserving or worthy of all the attention. Heck, I'm not."
If you buy that Favre believes he's not deserving or worthy of all the attention, then you probably were surprised that he's coming back to play.
3. "It really came down to when those guys [Hutchinson, Allen and Longwell] were like, 'hey if you can do us one favor.' Now that's a pretty big favor."

This was a recurring theme during the presser, Favre sounding like a man who came back to football not because he wanted to, but because it was expected of him. Was it all another act in the 40-year-old's ongoing melodrama, the one in which he plays the role of quarterback-turned-martyr, sacrificing his retirement for the good of the teammates he loves? Or had Favre set his sights on retirement, only to be pulled back in by a team who knew that the path to the Super Bowl couldn't be navigated by Tarvaris Jackson?

2. "People are making trips down to Hattiesburg and it was sincere stuff. The things I was hearing, the letters I was reading, the billboards I was passing, I just felt like I owe it to this organzation to give it one more try. I have no idea how it will pan out, but all I can promise you is that I'll give my best."

Favre actually had one more promise to make though ...

1. "I can promise you this, not that I had ever set out as a goal to play 20 years, but 20 years and I'm done. This is the last year of my contract."
Yes, he outdid himself and actually retired for 2011 minutes after declaring his intentions to play in 2010. (He's truly the Michelangelo of waffling.) But there was something different about the way he said it Wednesday. He seemed to be anticipating retirement, a sentiment you never got even after he faced the media following his crippling interception in the NFC championship.

For the first time I can remember, Favre's uncertainty seemed genuine. Up until Wednesday afternoon, I always knew Brett Favre wanted to play football. After his hour-long press conference, I'm not so sure.

And here are a couple more from his PC that I thought were revealing...

“I was so close to getting these guys to the super bowl. And I’m thinking, even though I don’t owe them something, I led ‘em, led ‘em, led ‘em and maybe I should give it one more try.”

How impressive that you were able to do that by yourself. What a "big favor" you're doing the team, the state of Minnesota and the entire country for that matter, by gracing them with your presence once again.

“The way that I played last year was great, but you talk about setting the bar high…. I didn’t do myself any favors.”

It's clear that Brett Favre was always egotistical, but he has become outwardly and shamelessly egomaniacal in his later years. It's really too bad.

[MOBB DEEP]

Because I had SO many psych evaluations to compose b/c prince george's county schools start next week i was just now able to watch the favre presser. and i gota say i enjoyed it; especially when he said "no one deserves or is worthy of this hoopla or attention..."

i know some morons around here (hehe, j/k) and even schmucks in the media like tedy bruschi will be naysayers but i actually believe with wisdom, enlightenment, life's trials, etc brett and others of his ilk (even the "common" person) can gain some perspective. all he does is chuck a football like all lebron does is put a ball thru a hoop! how significant is that REALLY? not like they're curing cancer, poverty, hate crimes, etc. im actually a "fan" of special ed teachers who take the extra time to help the difficult children from drug abusing families who cant sit still. these heroes get paid pennies, yet favre is given a raise with incentives? incredible - not favres fault of course; bus cook just did his job and took advantage of the vikes desperation (the same thing any one else would do if their employer beg them to come to work and take more loot!)

im a staunch favre supporter b/c of the memories with the pack, i dig his swag, and he's ENTERTAINED me for TWO DECADES. but once he finally retires pro sports will be WAY down on the totem pole for me. someone sent email to espn last month stating my sentiments: with roids, free agency, newbies lack of passion ala haynesworth, dez bryant lackn respect for the shield to a certain extent, lebrons "decision" making bill russell turnover in his grave, redic salaries, loss of integrity amongst nba players, etc etc the allure of pro sports is lessening for the evolved being. clearly, it's just a microcosm of society in general which is going to hell in hand basket. but i cant get up for much of this any more save favre and rondo/celts for about 18 more months. so many more worth while entities in which to put my energy/passion...maybe i will do peace corps; im almost 40 now and am increasingly becoming concerned about MY legacy (to hades with favre's lol)..dont want to be known merely for the women ive been with, loot ive made, and the teams i cheered for

ok, that was my therapy

all who let brett (and any other person you dont know) get under your skin need therapy as well. im SO free of my disdain for TT and its refreshing,,he's actually a GREAT gm and im impressed with the handling of the pack - should be great for years!

now, we KNOW brett never imagined he would do the things he did in the nfl back when he was in middle school. so im sure he's pleased with wat he accomplished and at the end of the day THATS wat matters; not wat the rats here think..everyone cant be VICK DA GREAT and RUN FOR THAT DARN 1ST DOWN IN NFCCG FOOL!

dayum

[Scott Campbell]

Welcome back MOBB!

We've definitely been missing the yang from our yin lately.

[vince]

How ironic is it that Brett Favre helps Packer fans support and admire Aaron Rodgers all the more.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not sure why you would put that loss on Bert. IIRC, that team was terribley depleted with injuries. And Vick had a career game. Unstoppable.

Favre went 20 of 42 for 247 yards with 1 TD (when the Packers were already down 24-0), 2 interceptions, and a lossed fumble.

First drive of the game:

The mistakes started for the Packers on their initial possession. On 3rd-and-7, Favre badly overthrew wide receiver Terry Glenn and free safety Keion Carpenter came up with the first of his two interceptions at the Green Bay 38.

I don't remember them being badly injured. I remember them having some injuries in the Rams game, but Green, Freeman, Glenn, Bubba, etc. played in the Atlanta game--and they managed 7 points. Perhaps the year Clifton was injured, but it doesn't sound like they were ravaged.

[Tony Oday]

You know Favre is perfect for the Vikings...The Vikings are celebrating 50 years of futility this year and Favre hasnt won a thing in 14 years. hmmm

[vince]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/19/rod-woodson-has-lost-resp_n_686089.html

Rod Woodson: I Have Lost Respect For Brett Favre

The Brett Favre retirement saga continued Wednesday when the veteran quarterback formally announced his return to the NFL for a 20th season. The 40-year-old received plenty of criticism when it was reported that he told teammates he would retire two weeks earlier.

Now that Favre is coming back, more people are taking shots at him.

NFL Network analyst and Hall of Famer Rod Woodson said on "NFL Total Access" that he has lost respect for Favre.

"I've lost respect for Brett in what he's done the last five years, and I've lost some respect to where an organization has to go to win a Super Bowl," Woodson said.

He also said a "a lot of veterans in the National Football League, even though I've been retired for seven years, are really tired of this."

Woodson isn't the only one with an unkind word for the Vikings QB. Famous former safety Rodney Harrison blasted Favre earlier in the month, and Favre's former teammate said the quarterback is "not good at anything" besides football.

[Tarlam!]

Favre drops back in a clean pocket, has plenty of time to throw, has several open recievers including the one he eventually threw the ball to. It was an awful throw - good decision, but an awful throw. It was picked off and immediately put the Giants in position to steal that victory. End of opportunity.

You're being kind. DD was double covered. Grant was wide open. It was a discusting decision and a miserable throw.

Had it of been the last throw of his NFL career, we would collectively remember him fondly around here. But the fact is, Bert is bigger than the team or the NFL. His conduct off of the field is disgraceful.

Na, he was single covered and he had a yard or two cushion between him and the defender. Problem was, Favre threw it behind and to the side the defender was playing him. I had no problem with the decision. Driver was Favre's go to guy and appeared to have a step on the defender. Just a god awful throw. That's how I remember that play anyway.

Yeah, I think people are trying to make the decision to throw it to his first read as being a worse decision then it really was. Yes, there were a few other options that were more open than Driver, but his very first read did have a few steps on his defender, and if the ball wasn't thrown so badly behind driver, it's a nice completion and no one is the wiser.

I mean, I don't blame favre for who he threw it too - I have no doubt that Driver was his first read, and his go to guy, on that play. He was also open enough to warrant a throw. Favre just made a bad pass.

It's one of the few situations in his career where the int wasn't really due to a bad decision, just a shitty throw, which is not something we are really use to seeing, as favre has always been pretty accurate with his passes. I think in this you saw the cold really affecting him. Not that it's a real excuse, but clearly the ball didn't go where he wanted it too.

To be read: Every other receiver on the play was more open than Donald Driver.

I just looked again at the photo. The pocket was there. Driver had half a step on his defender. Grant was alone with 20 yards of daylight behind him. Two other receivers have at least two and five steps on their defenders. It was a disgusting decision and a digusting throw.

http://archive.profootballtalk.com/FavreThrow.jpg

[mraynrand]

Favre's former teammate said the quarterback is "not good at anything" besides football.

He seems to have some talent for photography.

[mraynrand]

Not sure why you would put that loss on Bert. IIRC, that team was terribley depleted with injuries. And Vick had a career game. Unstoppable.

Favre went 20 of 42 for 247 yards with 1 TD (when the Packers were already down 24-0), 2 interceptions, and a lossed fumble.

First drive of the game:

The mistakes started for the Packers on their initial possession. On 3rd-and-7, Favre badly overthrew wide receiver Terry Glenn and free safety Keion Carpenter came up with the first of his two interceptions at the Green Bay 38.

I don't remember them being badly injured. I remember them having some injuries in the Rams game, but Green, Freeman, Glenn, Bubba, etc. played in the Atlanta game--and they managed 7 points. Perhaps the year Clifton was injured, but it doesn't sound like they were ravaged.

Harv, they were really beat up that year. Green and Glenn both had suffered major injuries (I'm surprised Green was in that game with his knee all messed up). Driver only played a half with a terrible shoulder. The Packers had lost Tauscher, Clifton, Sharper, Reynolds (I know - no biggy, right?), Joe Johnson, Davenport, during the season, and had played without Green and Glenn (missed two games each) late in the season. Gilbert was a shadow (a big shadow) of his former self (10-12 games played in?), and I think Holliday was out for 6 games too.

Anyway, it was a mess. Still, Favre did not play well in the playoff game (but recall that he too had a pretty severe knee injury against Washington and really wasn't playing full strength the rest of the season).

I hated that year more than just about any other because the Pack was 8-1 and looking great until the injuries started snowballing (beginning with Tauscher at MN and pretty much knowing it was over with Clifton being cheap-shotted by Sapp at Tampa).

[Bossman641]

Because I had SO many psych evaluations to compose b/c prince george's county schools start next week i was just now able to watch the favre presser. and i gota say i enjoyed it; especially when he said "no one deserves or is worthy of this hoopla or attention..."

And yet, it is clear for everyone to see that that is exactly what he enjoys. Loves to be begged, loves to be chased, loves to be wanted and needed.

I was so close to getting these guys to the super bowl. And I’m thinking, even though I don’t owe them something, I led ‘em, led ‘em, led ‘em and maybe I should give it one more try

What's up Mobb. Good to have you back.

[LP]

Imagine how TJack and Sage feel about this--especially considering that Sage was brought in to start right before Favre got there...

I'd love to see TJack publicly demand a trade. I realize he doesn't have a lot of value, and I'm sure he knows that as well, but it would shine the spotlight right on Chilly and the organization as to how they have treated him. "Trade me or cut me now, so I can go somewhere and have a legitimate chance to play."

Hmmm. Didn't somebody else say something along those lines a couple years ago?

[packerbacker1234]

Favre drops back in a clean pocket, has plenty of time to throw, has several open recievers including the one he eventually threw the ball to. It was an awful throw - good decision, but an awful throw. It was picked off and immediately put the Giants in position to steal that victory. End of opportunity.

You're being kind. DD was double covered. Grant was wide open. It was a discusting decision and a miserable throw.

Had it of been the last throw of his NFL career, we would collectively remember him fondly around here. But the fact is, Bert is bigger than the team or the NFL. His conduct off of the field is disgraceful.

Na, he was single covered and he had a yard or two cushion between him and the defender. Problem was, Favre threw it behind and to the side the defender was playing him. I had no problem with the decision. Driver was Favre's go to guy and appeared to have a step on the defender. Just a god awful throw. That's how I remember that play anyway.

Yeah, I think people are trying to make the decision to throw it to his first read as being a worse decision then it really was. Yes, there were a few other options that were more open than Driver, but his very first read did have a few steps on his defender, and if the ball wasn't thrown so badly behind driver, it's a nice completion and no one is the wiser.

I mean, I don't blame favre for who he threw it too - I have no doubt that Driver was his first read, and his go to guy, on that play. He was also open enough to warrant a throw. Favre just made a bad pass.

It's one of the few situations in his career where the int wasn't really due to a bad decision, just a shitty throw, which is not something we are really use to seeing, as favre has always been pretty accurate with his passes. I think in this you saw the cold really affecting him. Not that it's a real excuse, but clearly the ball didn't go where he wanted it too.

To be read: Every other receiver on the play was more open than Donald Driver.

I just looked again at the photo. The pocket was there. Driver had half a step on his defender. Grant was alone with 20 yards of daylight behind him. Two other receivers have at least two and five steps on their defenders. It was a disgusting decision and a digusting throw.

http://archive.profootballtalk.com/FavreThrow.jpg

Do you play QB in the NFL? do I? No, but from what I understand (having played QB in HS a bit) is that you have a read progression, and if your first read is open, 99% of the time you throw it right away, without even looking at anything else. Why? You may not have time to survey the whole field,a nd when option one is open, what else are you looking for? You throw it to option 1.

Yes, others were "more open" - but when your frist read is open, from what i understand, you throw it pretty much right away. Driver WAS open. It may be a half step, a full step, whatever, but he was plenty open. Favre throws it to the outside like he is supposed to and it's a completion.

And in glancing at that photo, there was a guy just about ready to give favre a nice pop. Note our blocker apparently tackling the one giant right to the right of favre. He pulls the ball back in and starts lookjing around, he gets creamed. Best case you could of hoped for that didn't involve a throw to driver was him glancing and seeing grant.

However, his pocket was "gone" (see picture) and driver was open and was the clear first read of the play.

The only reason we even talka bout it is because of how bad the throw was. Start breaking down game tape of every qb's pass, and I am sure you will find multiple other WR's who may have been more open, but because the firsty read was open "enough", that is where the throw went.

The best throw is a dump off to grant, driver blocks his guy, he goes outside driver down the sideline and gets pushed out by the saftey, about a 15 or 20 yard gain, asuming grant actually catches the ball, something he isn't the best at.

Again though, favre makes a better throw to driver and were not even talking about it. This is football. First read is open, you throw it. You don't know if anyone else is open and by the time you scan the field and come back, driver may not be open (in terms of thought process. You look, driver is doing an out, he has the defender behind him leaving an outside pass for a easy catch, and favre blew the throw.

I am not going to call that a poor decision. First read, he's open, you throw it.

[Gunakor]

Favre drops back in a clean pocket, has plenty of time to throw, has several open recievers including the one he eventually threw the ball to. It was an awful throw - good decision, but an awful throw. It was picked off and immediately put the Giants in position to steal that victory. End of opportunity.

You're being kind. DD was double covered. Grant was wide open. It was a discusting decision and a miserable throw.

Had it of been the last throw of his NFL career, we would collectively remember him fondly around here. But the fact is, Bert is bigger than the team or the NFL. His conduct off of the field is disgraceful.

Na, he was single covered and he had a yard or two cushion between him and the defender. Problem was, Favre threw it behind and to the side the defender was playing him. I had no problem with the decision. Driver was Favre's go to guy and appeared to have a step on the defender. Just a god awful throw. That's how I remember that play anyway.

Yeah, I think people are trying to make the decision to throw it to his first read as being a worse decision then it really was. Yes, there were a few other options that were more open than Driver, but his very first read did have a few steps on his defender, and if the ball wasn't thrown so badly behind driver, it's a nice completion and no one is the wiser.

I mean, I don't blame favre for who he threw it too - I have no doubt that Driver was his first read, and his go to guy, on that play. He was also open enough to warrant a throw. Favre just made a bad pass.

It's one of the few situations in his career where the int wasn't really due to a bad decision, just a shitty throw, which is not something we are really use to seeing, as favre has always been pretty accurate with his passes. I think in this you saw the cold really affecting him. Not that it's a real excuse, but clearly the ball didn't go where he wanted it too.

To be read: Every other receiver on the play was more open than Donald Driver.

I just looked again at the photo. The pocket was there. Driver had half a step on his defender. Grant was alone with 20 yards of daylight behind him. Two other receivers have at least two and five steps on their defenders. It was a disgusting decision and a digusting throw.

http://archive.profootballtalk.com/FavreThrow.jpg

The general consensus here is that Grant cannot be trusted in the passing game. Not that I necessarily agree with that, but it's possible Brett didn't want to go there because he didn't trust it either.