OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[woodbuck27]

I was actually thinking along the lines of Packerbacker1234's first post - gee, isn't that everyone's strategy for every QB? - when I read Patler's and Lurker's assessments. And they both explain it well.

So I agree with them - this is, in some respects, a new strategy.

As for Packerbacker's claim that Favre has finally learned to play smartly, may I be the first to politely suggest that you go back and take a look at the last pass Favre threw last season?

SUre it was a poor decision, but of any time in his career to make a bad choice, that was one time I just can't blame him per say. THere was a penalty the play before that even put the ball in his hands, he already HAD THEM in position to win with what is a easily makeable FG for Longwell, and the coaches screwed that one up.

The pass was a bad decision, but the man was beaten. All day long. He played very well, especially given the damaging, and illegal, hits he was taking. He should of ran, should of thrown it away, should of never one back across his body - but man, I was surprised he was still standing at that point. They already had the game won and the coaches fuck up was far more inexcusable than favre's. You do NOT get a 12 man in the huddle penalty when your in game winning FG range. Ever. There is no excuse. At least favre can say he was "trying to make a play".


Seriously, if I am a vikings fan, I would of been calling for the OC's head for that 12 man penalty, or whoever the fuck was in control of it, be it childress, or whatever> just like against philly for us the one year on 4th and 27 - I blame the defensive coordinator for that loss, not favre. Favre should not be required to win you every game, especially after he already did what he needed to do TO win.

I finally got to this thread. A thread that showcases the worst in some people that just don't and never will get it. That being that it's surely a Packer forum and was once an awesome Packer Forum that's in a decline based on it's history. Why? Maybe because of attacks against those of us that still love the Packers and equally love the game of football, and the brand or style of football played in the NFL. Are we supposed to ignore those with insults?

I love sports generally. I've followed the teams that Vladimir Guerrero plays on in MLB, since he was a Montreal Expo. The Angels and now Texans. I have been too busy of late to check his progress this season but know the the Texans are a near lock to win their division. I always followed the teams that the Big 'M' ( Frank Mahovlich) played on. The Toronto Maple Leafs, Detroit Red Wings and Montreal Canadians in the NHL. I play golf as a lefty so I follow Phil Michelson and Mike Weir and staynloyal to these men no matter how they are playing.

I have followed the Green Bay packers ups and long periods of downs likely longer than any member of Packer Rats. That began way back in 1958 or just before the Vince Lombardi Era. I'm pleased that the Green Bay Packers are picked as a team to contend this season, as we're in somewhat of a drought. I love the drama in sports and the Brett Favre story certainly fills my appetite there.

Brett Favre has given me more awesome thrills than any other Pro athlete. I remain loyal to Brett Favre as an NFL fan but:

If Aaron Rodgers and the Packers can get it together and jump over the Favre led Vikings.? That won't disappoint me.

Wherer I get to shaking my head is when posters here are attacked or called out to choose 'all Packers' over football and the excitement and drama as part and partial of the NFL.

I was once the leading poster on this forum in terms of number of posts. I have received incredible criticism from many no longer here now. Amongst that group I deem there was a consistency. They were moderately to,incorrigibly insulting and / or abusive to anyone that didn't hate Brett Favre.

I'm in some sadness to see the likes of Rastak gone from PackerRats. He was golden here and that as a Vikings fan. Who in their right mind could post in a manner that would cause Rastak to retire from PackerRats? To read that Bretsky isn't as active or gone fr. Packerrats, is just plain ugly. B. was one of my favourite posters here. He's gone!!? WTF. He was one of our stars and in terms of this forum a respected friend. A fair enough man that understood me for my stances without ridicule or senseless bullying.

GrnBay007 gone. Give me a break! She's a real Lady and an awesome Packer fan and support for our forum. These three posters all wonderful contributors and if they stay away? Anyone of those three or any poster with style and manners bolts this place. We all must share that fact as BLAME. Feel some shame? Of course the haters won't ever get there. They feel justified in their hatred.

No 'of course' you won't feel shame for any man or woman that whimps out. See ! Your a real Man or Woman. ( Obvious sarcasm ) NO! The bottom line. We lost three outstanding members of PackerRats and that sucks too hard.

On the topic of Brett Favre and his mobility:

That man is still playing in the 40/41st year of his life! He was incredible overall last season, setting big personal numbers. Some of you point to the obvious. He has to slow down or not run outside of the pocket. The issues that appear to me as obvious in terms of Favre and scrambling or not. How good is his OL in any given game?

The Vikings had an ugly game plan at half time in terms with it's OL. Favre was getting killed. Vikings HC Brad Childress was livid with his OL'S UGLY Performance. Some of you Packer fans can point out just another end of game pick against Brett Favre. Lay all blame there but the blame for that Vikings loss cannot all fall on Brett Favre. Given all the circumstances and happenings Favre had a solid NFC Championship game Vs the Saints.

As an NFL fan and keen in my support of a great game between two well matched opponets. Favre and the Vikings didn't disappoint in that loss to the Saints. I'd love to see the Vikings play us in the NFC Championship game. I realize that's a longshot.

Also I cheer this way: I want Favre to play well and the same goes for Aaron Rodgers.

Let the BEST team win !

On the matter of losing members:

I'll lay it out there again: I'm shamed that Bretzky, GrnBay007 and Rastak are gone. I might have helped them hang in there but sooner than later anyone abused let's go except for men as I am. I'm certainly not implying that I'm better/ stronger than those three fine and overall active and contributing posters.

( Just a thought )Maybe the Administrator of PackerRats could have taken whatever step was necessary before we lost such quality posters/people. Maybe simply invite all three to return and assure them of the loss that their absense means to PackerRats. All three are big loss's.

That step had to be something other than the illimination of this thread as that would have been scapegoating or ... to the abusers favor a win-win.

My name is Ed. woodbuck27

[mraynrand]

I finally got to this thread. A thread that showcases the worst in some people that just don't and never will get it. That being that it's surely a Packer forum and was once an awesome Packer Forum that's in a decline based on it's history. Why? Maybe because of attacks against those of us that still love the Packers and equally love the game of football, and the brand or style of football played in the NFL. Are we supposed to ignore those with insults

Please stop insulting me.

[mraynrand]

Also I cheer this way: I want Favre to play well and the same goes for Aaron Rodgers.

Let the BEST team win !

I want Favre to play poorly and for the Vikings to lose horribly, just as I have always wanted for those miserable Vikings. I have never wanted, nor will I ever want a Viking QB to play well. As to the 'Let the Best team win' - if the 'Best team' happens to be the Vikings, I still hope they find a way to lose, because I like the Packers and hate the Vikings ('Hate' for you pansies means in an athletic competition sense, not REAL hate).

If this POV causes you to flee Packerrats, don't let the browser hit you in the ass on the way out!

[Scott Campbell]

I'll lay it out there again: I'm shamed that Bretzky, GrnBay007 and Rastak are gone.

I don't think it's all your fault Woody.

[Scott Campbell]

Florio says that Bert painted a massive target on his back with all this talk of being old and broken.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/01/operation-break-brett-begins-in-eight-days/

[Fritz]

You know who else I hated in that same sense, mraynrand?

Fran Tarkenton. Hated that guy.

[Scott Campbell]

You know who else I hated in that same sense, mraynrand?

Fran Tarkenton. Hated that guy.

That's Incredible.

[swede]

You know who else I hated in that same sense, mraynrand?

Fran Tarkenton. Hated that guy.

That's Incredible.

Wait...He played FOOTBALL? His name is FRAN!

[mraynrand]

You know who else I hated in that same sense, mraynrand?

Fran Tarkenton. Hated that guy.

That's Incredible.

As a kid, my most fervent wish was that they would put Fran in that plastic box instead of yogi kudu

[Freak Out]

I loved the high beams.

[Tarlam!]

Woody, I've been posting with you for a lot of years, but your ..... oh just forget it.

[Fritz]

You know who else I hated in that same sense, mraynrand?

Fran Tarkenton. Hated that guy.

That's Incredible.

As a kid, my most fervent wish was that they would put Fran in that plastic box instead of yogi kudu

Hair Helmet!!!!

[pbmax]

I think it would be well worth pointing out that while Brett Favre fever ran high and heavy through the forum for quite sometime and caused many hard feelings, many of the posters we used to rely on left for reasons other than pro or anti Brett Favre status.

I don't think OPF or Joemailman (who is back) left because they were persecuted over #4. Rastak (who was back for the game thread last week) did not leave for that reason. Partial and Bigguns (whom I miss) got the axe for offenses not directly related to Favre. I think Ballhawk has posted less since we lost Ruvell last year.

Harlan has retired to Elba. Nutz and GBRulz should probably be included in Woody's list of Favre casualties. But ND72 and bulldog have had other issues intrude. Madtown sold the place and Zool isn't around nearly as often.

In short, there are a lot of posters we miss but to reduce it to Favre-a-palooza misses the point. This forum can get nasty from time to time about topics other than #4 and that may not help. We just had a thread go that way this week. We have some good posters pick up the slack. But its hard to replace natural attrition when the front page looks like it does now and there is nothing to attract new members.

[Tarlam!]

We have some good posters pick up the slack. But its hard to replace natural attrition when the front page looks like it does now and there is nothing to attract new members.

Plus a billion

[MOBB DEEP]

I was actually thinking along the lines of Packerbacker1234's first post - gee, isn't that everyone's strategy for every QB? - when I read Patler's and Lurker's assessments. And they both explain it well.

So I agree with them - this is, in some respects, a new strategy.

As for Packerbacker's claim that Favre has finally learned to play smartly, may I be the first to politely suggest that you go back and take a look at the last pass Favre threw last season?

SUre it was a poor decision, but of any time in his career to make a bad choice, that was one time I just can't blame him per say. THere was a penalty the play before that even put the ball in his hands, he already HAD THEM in position to win with what is a easily makeable FG for Longwell, and the coaches screwed that one up.

The pass was a bad decision, but the man was beaten. All day long. He played very well, especially given the damaging, and illegal, hits he was taking. He should of ran, should of thrown it away, should of never one back across his body - but man, I was surprised he was still standing at that point. They already had the game won and the coaches fuck up was far more inexcusable than favre's. You do NOT get a 12 man in the huddle penalty when your in game winning FG range. Ever. There is no excuse. At least favre can say he was "trying to make a play".


Seriously, if I am a vikings fan, I would of been calling for the OC's head for that 12 man penalty, or whoever the fuck was in control of it, be it childress, or whatever> just like against philly for us the one year on 4th and 27 - I blame the defensive coordinator for that loss, not favre. Favre should not be required to win you every game, especially after he already did what he needed to do TO win.

I finally got to this thread. A thread that showcases the worst in some people that just don't and never will get it. That being that it's surely a Packer forum and was once an awesome Packer Forum that's in a decline based on it's history. Why? Maybe because of attacks against those of us that still love the Packers and equally love the game of football, and the brand or style of football played in the NFL. Are we supposed to ignore those with insults

I love sports generally. I've followed the teams that Vladimir Guerrero plays on in MLB, since he was a Montreal Expo. The Angels and now Texans. I have been too busy of late to check his progress this season but know the the Texans are a near lock to win their division. I always followed the teams that the Big 'M' ( Frank Mahovlich) played on. The Toronto Maple Leafs, Detroit Red Wings and Montreal Canadians in the NHL. I play golf as a lefty so I follow Phil Michelson and Mike Weir and staynloyal to these men no matter how they are playing.

I have followed the Green Bay packers ups and long periods of downs likely longer than any member of Packer Rats. That began way back in 1958 or just before the Vince Lombardi Era. I'm pleased that the Green Bay Packers are picked as a team to contend this season as we're in somewhat of a drought. I love the drama in sports and the Brett Favre story certainly fills my appetite there.

Brett Favre has given me more awesome thrills than any other Pro athlete. I remain loyal to Brett Favre as an NFL fan but:

If Aaron Rodgers and the Packers can get tit together and jump over the Favre led Vikings.? That won't disappoint me.

Wherer I get to shaking my head is when posters here are attacked or called out to choose 'all Packers' over football and the excitement and drama as part and partial of the NFL.

I was once the leading poster on this forum in terms of number of posts. I have received incredible criticism from many no longer here now. Amongst that group I deem there was a consistency. They were moderately toincorrigibly insulting and / or abusive to anyone that didn't hate Brett Favre.

I'm in some sadness to see the likes of Rastak gone from PackerRats. He was golden here and that as a Vikings fan. Who in their right ming could post in a manner that would cause Rastak to retire from PackerRats? To read that Bretsky isn"t as active or gone fr. Packerrats, is just plain ugly. B. was one of my favourite posters here. He's gone!!? WTF. Grnbay007 gone. Give me a break! She was a real Lady and an awesome Packer fan and support for our forum. These three posters all wonderful contributors and if thet stay away ? Anyone of those three or any poster with proper style and manners. WE all must share that fact as BLAME.

On the topic of Brett Favre and his mobility:

That man is still playing in the 40/41st year of his life! He was incredible overall last season setting big personal numbers. Some of you point to the obvious. He has to slow down or not run outside of the pocket. The issues that appear to me as obvious in terms of Favre and scrabling or not. How good is his OL in any given game?

The Vikings had an ugly game plan at half time in terms wih it's OL. Favre was getting killed. Vikings HC Brad Childress was livid with hiS OL'S UGLY Performance. Some of you Packer fans can point out just another end of game pick against Brett Favre.

As an NFL fan and keen in my support of a great game between two opponets Favre and the Vikings didn't disappoint. I'd love to see the Vikings play us in the NFC Championship game. I realize that's a longshot.

Also I cheer this way: I want Favre to play well and the same goes for Aaron Rodgers.

Let the BEST team win !

On the matter of losing members:

I'll lay it out there again: I'm shamed that Bretzky, GrnBay007 and Rastak are gone. I might have helped them hang in there but sooner than later anyone abused let's go except for men as I am. I'm certainly not implying that I'm better/ stronger than those three fine and overall active and contributing posters. It was up to the Administrator of PackerRats to take whatever step was necessary before we lost such quality posters/people. That step had to be something other than the illimination of this thread as that would have been scapegoating or ... to the abusers.

My name is Ed. woodbuck27

cool post..