OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[pbmax]

It occurs to me that Favre's career is a good illustration of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

You drill in close enough, in a small enough time frame like woodbuck did above from imminent release to winning two games against the Packers, all the details make sense even if you get no sense of the arc of the story.

But if you look with a wider time frame, none of the details add up to the arc.

Brett's career is like a up/down Quark.

[George Cumby]

It occurs to me that Favre's career is a good illustration of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

You drill in close enough, in a small enough time frame like woodbuck did above from imminent release to winning two games against the Packers, all the details make sense even if you get no sense of the arc of the story.

But if you look with a wider time frame, none of the details add up to the arc.

Brett's career is like a up/down Quark.

Say the fuck, what?

What in the hell is PB talking about? Can someone who isn't buzzed translate for me?

My head hurts.

[RashanGary]

Say the fuck, what?

What in the hell is PB talking about? Can someone who isn't buzzed translate for me?

My head hurts.

I think he's saying Woodbuck is using Favre beating teh Packers twice as proof that Favre got over on the Packers and somehow got the best of them. I think PB's opinion is probably that the Packers turned out just fine, and possibly that Favre is a bitter guy, and isn't really winning anything.

[Joemailman]

[Pugger]

I think he's saying Woodbuck is using Favre beating teh Packers twice as proof that Favre got over on the Packers and somehow got the best of them. I think PB's opinion is probably that the Packers turned out just fine, and possibly that Favre is a bitter guy, and isn't really winning anything.

Favre got his revenge I suppose by beating us twice that year but we ended up with the trophy. I would say the Packers got the better end of that deal.

[pbmax]

I think he's saying Woodbuck is using Favre beating teh Packers twice as proof that Favre got over on the Packers and somehow got the best of them. I think PB's opinion is probably that the Packers turned out just fine, and possibly that Favre is a bitter guy, and isn't really winning anything.

Excellent and perfectly valid, though not what I had in mind at the time.

I think woodbuck was hinting at a point he has made before. That in retrospect, what really ticked Favre off was being told he couldn't compete for the job and win it outright. That the Packers were giving the job to Rodgers. And that might be true, but it doesn't quite tell the whole backstory on the resentment angle. From either side. That camel was weighed down by a lot of other straw at that point.

[Cheesehead Craig]

That camel was weighed down by a lot of other straw at that point.

I've seen some camel toes that are prettier than this thread.

[swede]

I've seen some camel toes that are prettier than this thread.

...and some of them were on camels.

[Cleft Crusty]

It occurs to me that Favre's career is a good illustration of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

You drill in close enough, in a small enough time frame like woodbuck did above from imminent release to winning two games against the Packers, all the details make sense even if you get no sense of the arc of the story.

But if you look with a wider time frame, none of the details add up to the arc.

Brett's career is like a up/down Quark.

Charming. That's quite a spin you're putting on this story.

[woodbuck27]

Favre got his revenge I suppose by beating us twice that year but we ended up with the trophy. I would say the Packers got the better end of that deal.

I don't see it as anyone getting the better end of any deal. The Green Bay Packers decided to terminate Brett Favre as their NO. 1 QB in lieu of Aaron Rodgers.

Ted Thompson traded Brett Favre to NFL Siberia or the New York Jets. We saw Brett Favre re-generate 'the Jets' during the 2008 season. Elevating them from a 4 win season in 2007 to 10 wins and an almost playoff berth in 2008. After that 2008 season, Brett Favre advised the New York Jets that they should not count on his services in the 2009 season or find another QB. As you may re-call as that season concluded Brett Favre's arm was impaired (with a shoulder injury ) as I re-call it.

Subsequently .... the Minnesota Vikings came calling and Brett Favre became their starting QB and had one of the greatest seasons in his career. That season 'of course' include two games vs the Green Bay Packers and as it turned out. Both victories for the Minnesota Vikings. There had to be a winner and a loser. It simply turned out that the loser was the Green Bay Packers.

This idea that Brett Favre took some circuitous route to get revenge on Ted Thompson is IMO simply foolish thinking on the part of simple minds. People that need to make too much of really nothing.

Countless times Brett Favre has said publicly that he didn't hold resentment against Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy. 'In fact' Brett Favre has openly stated that loved his time as a Green Bay Packer, loved his fellow teammates and loved Green Bay Packer fans.

Favre had his time in the NFL as a Green Bay Packer and that had to end as it was time for Aaron Rodgers to step up. With Aaron Rodgers steering the Packers offense, we enjoyed our fourth Super Bowl win after a successful playoff run following the 2010 season.

It's simply a matter of history and nothing more than that. I'll try to explain it as I saw the Favre - Packers divorce go down. Try to do that in subsequent posts.

Some here at Packerrats may re-call a little story that I composed way back in the Spring of 2006. When some of us were posting on JSO. I set that story in the winter following the 2004 season and playoffs. To re-cap that 2004 season:

The 2004 season started with the Packers losing four of their first five games, then winning their next six games, and finally winning three of their final five regular season games. The Packers season ended in a Wild Card playoff (31-17 loss) to the Minnesota Vikings. The Green Bay Packers took the NFCN Championship in 2004; and finished with an overall record of 10-7.

It's difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season; yet 'in review' that total loss was inexcusable. We had defeated the Vikings 2X in close games by identical 34-31 scores. In the 'Wild card' game the Minnesota Vikings had a response to those two Packer regular season close wins.

I felt that Brett Favre looked terrible in that Wild card playoff loss. In particular the way he acted on what should have been a sure scoring drive late in that game; that might have set up a comeback win. A close friend of mine watching that game with me was enraged at Brett Favre. I was unable to defend Favre after that 'no' performance. That loss stuck with me for months. I re-call clearly feeling that the writing was 'now clearly on the wall;' and that Favre was about done as the Green Bay Packer starting QB.

Again back at JSO and in the Spring of 2006 when I was meeting some of the current Packerrat I wrote this little story, about a group of men at an ice fishing shack after the embarrassing Brett Favre and Green Bay Packer performance Vs the Minnesota Vikings in that playoff Wild Card game at Lambeau field. It's so difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season. Yet ... 'in review' that total loss was inexcuseable in terms of Brett Favre, who simply stunk up the joint.

We had defeated the Vikings 2X during that 2004 season by identical 34-31 scores; but in this game the Vikings got out of the gate fast and never looked back. It was one of those 'what have you done for me today' ... things. Brett Favre had a solid 2004 season. 4,088 yards passing and 30 TD's; but that playoff loss looked bad on him.

This group of men at the ice shack included the then HC and GM of the Packers, Mike Sherman, who was about to lose that second title as Packer GM to Ted Thompson. Others present...the President and CEO of the Green Bay Packers and some prominent members of the Packers Board. Those present informed Mike Sherman that he would be relieved as Packer GM in the near future. They also informed Sherman that Brett Favre's days as an active Green Bay Packer were coming to an end.

Brett Favre hung on for three more seasons, but the young QB taken in the first round of the 2005 draft (Aaron Rodgers) was designated; and 'in fact' would succeed him. All good things must come to an end. Favre's days as a Green Bay Packer were coming to a conclusion. Those in power were soured by Favre's antics; and especially so by what he did and didn't do in that playoff loss to the Vikings.

Ted Thompson took over as the Packer GM in that 2004-05 off season. Three seasons down the road the relationship with Favre and Thompson and the Green Bay Packers had come to an end. Unfortunately it didn't go down quietly but rather ended like a tragic divorce.

It didn't have to be that way if the Green Bay Packers simply released Brett Favre. The fact that Favre was coming off such a tremendous season in 2007 and as runner up NFL MVP made it rather difficult. Men like Brett Favre are rare. Men like Brett Favre don't go away easily.

Brett Favre, it was decided; must step down as the starting QB of the Green Bay Packers. Neither bribes nor blame was going to thwart Favre's desire to win another Super Bowl ring.

That didn't mean that his days as an NFL QB should end as Ted Thompson/Mark Murphy and the Green Bay Packers tried so hard to determine as fact. We're talking about Brett Favre; not some ordinary Pro athlete. We're talking Brett Favre ...LEGEND. We're talking about a man that was determined to get back to the Super Bowl and win a second ring. We're talking about a simple man with simple ideals that certainly deserved his 'Freedom Of Rights' as a member of a Democratic Society.

Any Packer fan that continues to be confused by this. Had better look up the definition of fascism. Had better re-examine the God given privilege he/she deserves being an American citizen. The same privilege that Brett Favre deserved and that including any potential outcome after the Green Bay Packers rejected his will to continue as their starting QB.

It's really that simple Packer fans. If you don't get it...try harder.

Being where I am is too ...... . Why !? It's always going to be 'the right side' of the fence.

GO PACKERS !

[Cleft Crusty]

Woody, I think all the nuances of 1999 suggested the ultimate form for the demise of the Favre era. Please elaborate.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, I think all the nuances of 1999 suggested the ultimate form for the demise of the Favre era. Please elaborate.

Ohh goodness Cleft. I'll need time to review that.

PACKERS !

[Bossman641]

I don't see it as anyone getting the better end of any deal. The Green Bay Packers decided to terminate Brett Favre as their NO. 1 QB in lieu of Aaron Rodgers.

Ted Thompson traded Brett Favre to NFL Siberia or the New York Jets. We saw Brett Favre re-generate 'the Jets' during the 2008 season. Elevating them from a 4 win season in 2007 to 10 wins and an almost playoff berth in 2008. After that 2008 season, Brett Favre advised the New York Jets that they should not count on his services in the 2009 season or find another QB. As you may re-call as that season concluded Brett Favre's arm was impaired (with a shoulder injury ) as I re-call it.

Subsequently .... the Minnesota Vikings came calling and Brett Favre became their starting QB and had one of the greatest seasons in his career. That season 'of course' include two games vs the Green Bay Packers and as it turned out. Both victories for the Minnesota Vikings. There had to be a winner and a loser. It simply turned out that the loser was the Green Bay Packers.

This idea that Brett Favre took some circuitous route to get revenge on Ted Thompson is IMO simply foolish thinking on the part of simple minds. People that need to make too much of really nothing.

Countless times Brett Favre has said publicly that he didn't hold resentment against Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy. 'In fact' Brett Favre has openly stated that loved his time as a Green Bay Packer, loved his fellow teammates and loved Green Bay Packer fans.

Favre had his time in the NFL as a Green Bay Packer and that had to end as it was time for Aaron Rodgers to step up. With Aaron Rodgers steering the Packers offense, we enjoyed our fourth Super Bowl win after a successful playoff run following the 2010 season.

It's simply a matter of history and nothing more than that. I'll try to explain it as I saw the Favre - Packers divorce go down. Try to do that in subsequent posts.

Some here at Packerrats may re-call a little story that I composed way back in the Spring of 2006. When some of us were posting on JSO. I set that story in the winter following the 2004 season and playoffs. To re-cap that 2004 season:

The 2004 season started with the Packers losing four of their first five games, then winning their next six games, and finally winning three of their final five regular season games. The Packers season ended in a Wild Card playoff (31-17 loss) to the Minnesota Vikings. The Green Bay Packers took the NFCN Championship in 2004; and finished with an overall record of 10-7.

It's difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season; yet 'in review' that total loss was inexcusable. We had defeated the Vikings 2X in close games by identical 34-31 scores. In the 'Wild card' game the Vikings got out of the gate fast and never looked back.

I felt that Brett Favre looked terrible in that Wild card playoff loss. In particular the way he acted on what should have been a sure scoring drive late in that game; that might have set up a comeback win. A close friend of mine watching that game with me was enraged at Brett Favre. I was unable to defend Favre after that 'no' performance. That loss stuck with me for months. I re-call clearly feeling that the writing was 'now clearly on the wall' and that Favre was about done as the Green Bay Packer starting QB.

Again back at JSO and in the Spring of 2006 when I was meeting some of the current Packerrats. I wrote this little story about a group of men at an ice fishing shack after the embarrassing Brett Favre and Green Bay Packer performance Vs the Minnesota Vikings in that playoff Wild Card game at Lambeau field. It's so difficult to defeat an NFL team 3X in a season; yet 'in review' that total loss was inexcuseable and Favre simply stunk up the joint. We had defeated the Vikings 2X during that 2004 season by identical 34-31 scores but in this game the Vikings got out of the gate fast and never looked back. It was one of those 'what have you done for me today' ... things. Brett Favre had a solid season with 4,088 yards passing and 30 TD's; but that playoff loss looked bad on him as I saw it.

This group of men at the ice shack included the then HC and GM of the Packers, Mike Sherman. Who was about to lose that second title as Packer GM to Ted Thompson. The President and CEO of the Green Bay Packers and some prominent members of the Packers Board. The other members there informed Mike Sherman that he would be relieved as Packer GM in the near future. They also informed Sherman that Brett Favre's days as an active Green Bay Packer were coming to an end.

Brett Favre hung on for three more seasons, but the young QB taken in the first round of the 2005 draft (Aaron Rodgers) was designated; and 'in fact' would succeed him. All good things must come to an end. Favre's days as a Green Bay would end.

That didn't mean that his days as an NFL QB should end as Ted Thompson/Mark Murphy and the Green Bay Packers tried so hard to determine as fact. We're talking about Brett Favre here; not some ordinary Pro athlete. We're talking Brett Favre ...LEGEND. We're talking about a man that was determined to get back to the Super Bowl and win a second ring. We're talking about a simple man with simple ideals that certainly deserved his 'Freedom Of Rights' as a member of a Democratic Society.

Any Packer fan that continues to be confused by this. Had better look up the definition of fascism. Had better re-examine the God given privilege he/she deserves being an American citizen. The same privilege that Brett Favre deserved and that including any potential outcome after the Green Bay Packers rejected his will to continue as their starting QB.

It's really that simple Packer fans. If you don't get it...try harder.

GO PACKERS !

I really need to have this in a constant copy and paste for replies to you

Calling Matt Millen and giving him insight into the Packer offense
Blocking off hotel rooms in GB the weekend of the GB/MIN game while still under contract with the Jets
Telling Urlacher to beat the Packers and keep them out of the playoffs

Yes yes...nothing to see here

[ThunderDan]

Woody forgets a few things in his BF history.

1. BF asked for his release from the NY Jets, he was still under contract. The owner said no. BF promise he was really done this time and wanted his release and then retire. NYJ owner final released BF. BF pulls his I gone play/ not play dance and finally signs with the Queens.
2. Minnesota Vikings investigated for tampering with BF during the summer of 2008.
3. GB already tried to retire BF's number once.

Any way, GB sure got the better end of the deal. If we had kept BF for 2008-2010 maybe we make the Super Bowl but then we have no QB for the future. Instead we have ARod , a Super Bowl and another superstar QB in the fold for 7 more years during his prime.

[woodbuck27]

Woody forgets a few things in his BF history.

1. BF asked for his release from the NY Jets, he was still under contract. The owner said no. BF promise he was really done this time and wanted his release and then retire. NYJ owner final released BF. BF pulls his I gone play/ not play dance and finally signs with the Queens.
2. Minnesota Vikings investigated for tampering with BF during the summer of 2008.
3. GB already tried to retire BF's number once.

Any way, GB sure got the better end of the deal. If we had kept BF for 2008-2010 maybe we make the Super Bowl but then we have no QB for the future. Instead we have ARod , a Super Bowl and another superstar QB in the fold for 7 more years during his prime.

Try to get your facts straight.

a) Favre had little difficulty getting his release from the NY Jets. He was totally up front in advising the Jets management that they had better find a stating QB for the 2009 season and subsequently was released with little fanfare.

b) The Minnesota Vikings were determined to NOT be guilty of any tampering charge by the Green Bay Backers against them, by the NFL HO. So given that as 'a fact'. Why bring that nonsense up. What's your point!?

c) What on earth is wrong with you!? How in the sake of anything rational could the Green Bay Packers retire Brett Favre's number? Do that on the day and time when he was playing in the NFL elsewhere; and that caused by their ( The Green Bay Packers) own doing that subsequently led to the rest. The Green Bay Packers 'traded Brett Favre', to the New York Jets. It was soon revealed after that trade was announced. That Brett Favre would 'in fact' report to the New York Jets to play the 2008 season.

Straighten up - stand up and walk straight. Try to get real and simply open your mind a tad more ... get the blinders off. It's refreshing to see matters in a sense of TRUTH.

GO PACK GO !