OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[woodbuck27]

I'd agree that Bert has the potential to be excellent again this year, because he certainly was last year. But it's not a given, and a falloff at his age could be very sudden and steep. I don't think he's nearly as evasive in the pocket anymore, and he couldn't have looked more immobile on the sack he took Thursday. But he started slow last year too, but got tuned up by about game 3. So I guess we'll see.

Good posts Woody.

Yea Scott ! Some good coffee this morning. Special beans.

[Pugger]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

What, exactly, am I making a poor judgement on? That the 'divorce' wasn't Favre's fault in the least? That I find it puzzling that a Packer fan would want the QB of a divisional rival to have success at the expense of the Packers? As long as Favre is QBing MN and winning that is detrimental to the Packers' fortunes, just like if Cutler or Stafford have success.

[Pugger]

NO NO NO! Favre is bailed out by the announcers again. You have NO idea if they ran the wrong routes, in my opinion Bert was throwing the ball to the wrong place. The reason for the opinion is that the receiving corp, save Camarillo, was actually in camp this year for ATLEAST the study of the plays where as brINT was a selfish player who thinks he is above being a team player.

This jack ass Viqueens player I hope will be terrible this year ala Ray Rhodes year in GB. When the prima donna finally quits because he cant do it anymore he will get at least me back as a fan...jack ass queens QB!!!

Exactly. TC is for the QB and his receivers to get on the same page. #4 would rather not be bothered and knows Chilly and company will let him skip all that mondane offseason stuff. How come MN's passing game didn't have these problems when Jackson played in those preseason games this summer?

[woodbuck27]

Sorry fella's the entertainment committee has to leave the building.

Joyce and I are off to brunch.

That game with Philly should be a douusey. We need that one really bad to get a jump on the Vikings. Therre will be some big upsets today.

Houston gets by Indy that uncharacteristically stumbles out of the gate after a Super Bowl hangover ... still. Don't pat P. Manning too much!

Carolina over the Giants on the road makes ' that Irish Tommy ' pull out the remaining hair in his head.

Dallas gets all they can handle from Shanahan and from a QB that can put up some points and loses in Washington.

[mraynrand]

In his post-game presser Favre said he missed on about 4 throws. Not my evaluation, but Favre's.

My evaluation is that he missed on at least two passes that I saw. Favre could be completely truthful or partially truthful and protecting his receivers. I think the latter is likely the case. Favre doesn't throw teammates under the bus.

[Scott Campbell]

I think there are a growing number of people beginning to believe that Rodgers could end up being better - even as hard as that is to fathom.

First, he needs to quit missing open receivers with a playoff game on the line!

Yup.

And he needs the hardware that accompanies being truly great.

[mraynrand]

I think there are a growing number of people beginning to believe that Rodgers could end up being better - even as hard as that is to fathom.

First, he needs to quit missing open receivers with a playoff game on the line!

Yup.

And he needs the hardware that accompanies being truly great.

[Scott Campbell]

That's bling - not hardware.

[mraynrand]

That's bling - not hardware.

Don't get technical with me.

[woodbuck27]

Actually the Vikes would have won if AP got the damn ball in the 4th. Favre was off and there is no way he repeats last years stats. They NEED help at WR...Rice even when he comes back it was a hip injury how good will he actually be? They have 2 number 2 WRs a 3 and a guy that should be out of the NFL.

You can bet that Childress is spinning over his need of something of quality at WR. That he has to protect Favre 's contract and justify having him back. We will see some action in that direction very soon.

I agree with your comments on S. Rice. The Vikings are in trouble at that position and must act ASAP or it will be a long tough season and too much wear and tear on AP. Their early season schedule calls for action yesterda and more than Ruvelle Martin is required to better shore up the WR position. Why? they made so many late TC cuts at WR is beyond any sensible reason given Sydney Rice's status.

The Vikings cannot allow us to get too far out in front and right now we are the team to beat in the NFCN inspite of that close win yesterday over 'the Eagles'.

Boy! We nearly allowed that one to slip away.

GO Packers.

I'll throw this down here for what it's worth on the logic of generally looking at FA'a for many positions, not just as the Vikings have need for more depth at WR:

http://blog.vikings.com/2010/09/13/vikings-to-look-at-wrs/

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

What, exactly, am I making a poor judgement on? That the 'divorce' wasn't Favre's fault in the least? That I find it puzzling that a Packer fan would want the QB of a divisional rival to have success at the expense of the Packers? As long as Favre is QBing MN and winning that is detrimental to the Packers' fortunes, just like if Cutler or Stafford have success.

Hey your entitled to your feelings just as I am mine Packer fan. WE live in a democrascy.

If we all agreed here it wouldn't be half as interesting. The thing is to disagree without undo attack and ridicule. To post as gentleman and keep this Packer home as healthy as it deserves to be. It does get out of hand at times but only the extreme haters/abusive types have suffered expulsion from this place on a permanant basis.

Everyone that has been suspended from here has even had a second and sometimes more than that chance to clean up. WE cannot afford to let Packerrats down. Disagreeing isn't abnormal. Attacking one another subjectively and unfairly is lousy behaviour and from that sort of behaviour everyone suffers.

WE need to promote an environment at Packerrats that will somehow encourage some of the quality posters we lost to consider returning and realize this is 'as a bottom line' OUR Packer home.

I will never be anything than what I've been for 51 years. A Green Bay Packer fan. If there are posters here that imagine I'm for the Vikings now. They're sadly disallutioned. That's too funny.

I'm a Packer fan. I will die a Packer fan.

GO PACK GO!

[Sparkey]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

What, exactly, am I making a poor judgement on? That the 'divorce' wasn't Favre's fault in the least? That I find it puzzling that a Packer fan would want the QB of a divisional rival to have success at the expense of the Packers? As long as Favre is QBing MN and winning that is detrimental to the Packers' fortunes, just like if Cutler or Stafford have success.

Hey your entitled to your feelings just as I am mine Packer fan. WE live in a democrascy.

If we all agreed here it wouldn't be half as interesting. The thing is to disagree without undo attack and ridicule. To post as gentleman and keep this Packer home as healthy as it deserves to be. It does get out of hand at times but only the extreme haters/abusive types have suffered expulsion from this place on a permanant basis.

Everyone that has been suspended from here has even had a second and sometimes more than that chance to clean up. WE cannot afford to let Packerrats down. Disagreeing isn't abnormal. Attacking one another subjectively and unfairly is lousy behaviour and from that sort of behaviour everyone suffers.

WE need to promote an environment at Packerrats that will somehow encourage some of the quality posters we lost to consider returning and realize this is 'as a bottom line' OUR Packer home.

I will never be anything than what I've been for 51 years. A Green Bay Packer fan. If there are posters here that imagine I'm for the Vikings now. They're sadly disallutioned. That's too funny.

I'm a Packer fan. I will die a Packer fan.

GO PACK GO!

Actually, FWIW, we live in a Federal Republic, not a democracy. One of 21 nations that does so.

[Fritz]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

What, exactly, am I making a poor judgement on? That the 'divorce' wasn't Favre's fault in the least? That I find it puzzling that a Packer fan would want the QB of a divisional rival to have success at the expense of the Packers? As long as Favre is QBing MN and winning that is detrimental to the Packers' fortunes, just like if Cutler or Stafford have success.

Hey your entitled to your feelings just as I am mine Packer fan. WE live in a democrascy.

If we all agreed here it wouldn't be half as interesting. The thing is to disagree without undo attack and ridicule. To post as gentleman and keep this Packer home as healthy as it deserves to be. It does get out of hand at times but only the extreme haters/abusive types have suffered expulsion from this place on a permanant basis.

Everyone that has been suspended from here has even had a second and sometimes more than that chance to clean up. WE cannot afford to let Packerrats down. Disagreeing isn't abnormal. Attacking one another subjectively and unfairly is lousy behaviour and from that sort of behaviour everyone suffers.

WE need to promote an environment at Packerrats that will somehow encourage some of the quality posters we lost to consider returning and realize this is 'as a bottom line' OUR Packer home.

I will never be anything than what I've been for 51 years. A Green Bay Packer fan. If there are posters here that imagine I'm for the Vikings now. They're sadly disallutioned. That's too funny.

I'm a Packer fan. I will die a Packer fan.

GO PACK GO!

Actually, FWIW, we live in a Federal Republic, not a democracy. One of 21 nations that does so.

Which, I believe, gives us the right to be rude and crude and obnoxious to other human beings. Don't tread on my right to be an ass___, baby!

[woodbuck27]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

What, exactly, am I making a poor judgement on? That the 'divorce' wasn't Favre's fault in the least? That I find it puzzling that a Packer fan would want the QB of a divisional rival to have success at the expense of the Packers? As long as Favre is QBing MN and winning that is detrimental to the Packers' fortunes, just like if Cutler or Stafford have success.

Hey your entitled to your feelings just as I am mine Packer fan. WE live in a democrascy.

If we all agreed here it wouldn't be half as interesting. The thing is to disagree without undo attack and ridicule. To post as gentleman and keep this Packer home as healthy as it deserves to be. It does get out of hand at times but only the extreme haters/abusive types have suffered expulsion from this place on a permanant basis.

Everyone that has been suspended from here has even had a second and sometimes more than that chance to clean up. WE cannot afford to let Packerrats down. Disagreeing isn't abnormal. Attacking one another subjectively and unfairly is lousy behaviour and from that sort of behaviour everyone suffers.

WE need to promote an environment at Packerrats that will somehow encourage some of the quality posters we lost to consider returning and realize this is 'as a bottom line' OUR Packer home.

I will never be anything than what I've been for 51 years. A Green Bay Packer fan. If there are posters here that imagine I'm for the Vikings now. They're sadly disallutioned. That's too funny.

I'm a Packer fan. I will die a Packer fan.

GO PACK GO!

Actually, FWIW, we live in a Federal Republic, not a democracy. One of 21 nations that does so.

Which, I believe, gives us the right to be rude and crude and obnoxious to other human beings. Don't tread on my right to be an ass___, baby!

Hey! We can't all be 'the nice guy' on this forum.

GO PACK GO !

[Sparkey]

I guess I don't understand how Pack fans can still be bitter about Favre when we're blessed with the QB we have now...who's first 3 years as a starter in the NFL are uncomparable. Maybe it's just me.

I don't think most Packer fans are still bitter about Favre but we find it incredible that some Packer fans still cheer for a QB that is playing on a divisional rival that stands in the way for the Packers to win the division and that some of them blame the 'divorce' soley on TT and Packers' management. Most Packer fans feel there is enough blame to go around.

You may be making a bad judgement or poor one at best there Packer fan.

I cannot write as I speak ' about all Packer fans ' that will remain loyal to Brett Favre the NFL QB; and are pleased that he could extend his career as he has, inspite of the pressure from our management etc. to retire.

I write (speak ) for me. I like Brett Favre and will always take pleasure in seeing him perform, when he does so at a high level. I enjoy watching the style he uses in getting his team wins. I still see his outstanding skills come forward and really know he can play lights out at his position and take any team downtown. Favre is a fierce competitor and certainly stands in the way of out team advancing from the season we enjoyed last year.

That's just all a given. This is Brett Favre. We have to play the Vikings twice and defeat them at least once. That won't be an easy task Packer fans if they get their 'O' set. We don't want to see Favre get anymore weapons or he'll cause our team alot of headache.

I see the Vikings having trouble with their first half schedule, and ' the fact ' that it may take the next two games for them to get their 'O' anywhere close to what it needs to be. Then they have a bye week and after that more than enogh challenge, with a brutal schedule to deal with, playing playoff teams from last season.

I see us taking advantage of the Vikings questionable 'at best' off season and winning the NFCN. I see the Vikings facing adversity with a call to reason, given Favre's contract and service in likely his final season. I believe his decision to come back this year was very difficult. He needed more on 'O' and well...has less at this point. Yet the Vikings 'D' looks excellent. Questions with their secondary prevail.

Packer fans. It shouldn't be Aaron Rodgers Vs Brett Favre but more reasonably the Packers Vs the Vikings over the course of 16 games. With just that view I believe we will do very well.

WE have to win today in Philly and that's a nice test on the road. I cannot wait for that game to see what we have overall as a team. I'll be specifically watching our running game Vs receiving game for balance on 'O' and our play at LBer and in the secondary on 'D'.

In matchups us Vs the Vikings. I look at it this way. I believe that the best team will win. It's simply this. It is what it is. It's just a contest for us to see how well our GM and coach's have prepared OUR team to compete and excell.

I don't pull for BrettFavre to beat the crap out of his Ex team. That's just silly to go there. I want to see the very best from our team and for that to shine over any opponent. The Vikings are a major opponent.

I want to see the Packers handle the Vikings 2X this season; to make the playoff's and advance to the Super Bowl. Has our GM done his very best to better ensure that great hope?

WE will soon see what our real prospects are and how our GM reacts accordingly.

GO PACK GO!

What, exactly, am I making a poor judgement on? That the 'divorce' wasn't Favre's fault in the least? That I find it puzzling that a Packer fan would want the QB of a divisional rival to have success at the expense of the Packers? As long as Favre is QBing MN and winning that is detrimental to the Packers' fortunes, just like if Cutler or Stafford have success.

Hey your entitled to your feelings just as I am mine Packer fan. WE live in a democrascy.

If we all agreed here it wouldn't be half as interesting. The thing is to disagree without undo attack and ridicule. To post as gentleman and keep this Packer home as healthy as it deserves to be. It does get out of hand at times but only the extreme haters/abusive types have suffered expulsion from this place on a permanant basis.

Everyone that has been suspended from here has even had a second and sometimes more than that chance to clean up. WE cannot afford to let Packerrats down. Disagreeing isn't abnormal. Attacking one another subjectively and unfairly is lousy behaviour and from that sort of behaviour everyone suffers.

WE need to promote an environment at Packerrats that will somehow encourage some of the quality posters we lost to consider returning and realize this is 'as a bottom line' OUR Packer home.

I will never be anything than what I've been for 51 years. A Green Bay Packer fan. If there are posters here that imagine I'm for the Vikings now. They're sadly disallutioned. That's too funny.

I'm a Packer fan. I will die a Packer fan.

GO PACK GO!

Actually, FWIW, we live in a Federal Republic, not a democracy. One of 21 nations that does so.

Which, I believe, gives us the right to be rude and crude and obnoxious to other human beings. Don't tread on my right to be an ass___, baby!

LOL, that also means the Admin, as the sovereign power, has the right to ban your ass.